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22 minutes ago, Sleepygrad said:

11am game v Bama 2 years ago was brutal

I honestly enjoyed that. There were a bunch of fans from Alabama that had driven to game sitting near us. They were pleasant enough, but I still enjoyed watching them wilt in the sun. 

They almost looked apologetic when Ewers got injured and we started screaming about how they can't beat us without injuring our QB. 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Spitballing other game times:

10/4- at Florida, definitely a night game. There's nothing else as compelling that day on the SEC schedule.

10/18- at Kentucky, probably an 11am ABC or midday SEC Network game as the day is stacked with better matchups. Tenn @ Bama will be the ABC game. Ole Miss @ Georgia is the ABC 2:30 game. OU @ South Carolina probably gets the 6pm ESPN spot

10/25- at Mississippi State, definitely an 11am game

11/1- Vanderbilt, another 11am game on ABC. Georgia/Florida is the 2:30 game, OU @ Tenn or South Carolina @ Ole Miss is the 7pm ABC game and the other gets the ESPN night spot. 

11/15- at Georgia, ABC/ESPN night game

11/22- Arkansas, 2:30 ABC game. Only other SEC games are Tenn @ Florida which is the night game and Mizzou @ OU. 

Tennessee/Florida is usually in the middle of September. It's in late November this year?

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38 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Tennessee/Florida is usually in the middle of September. It's in late November this year?

Yes. Florida is at LSU on 9/13 so maybe that's the reason for the switch. They also play at Miami on 9/20. 

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1 hour ago, bluto said:

230 kick for RRS might just be enough to be a no from me dog after last yr. I enjoy the ‘roughing it’ that the RRS scene usually is, but last yr was a massive disaster waiting to happen. 

the city, fair corp, and the schools have had 17 years to figure it out and continue to fail every year

the 2008 final expansion created oceans of concourse space under the upper deck in the endzones

there is enough room to ice down a million bottles of water which should be free and unllimited with cost shared equally by all stakeholders

unlimited free ice cold water would improve concession throughput by 30-50%

hydrated people can drink more BEER

AND

last year (or the year before can't remember) i posted a european plan for the use of dart rail to quadruple capacity and reliability with a 230 kick

 

i should call cdc

 

 

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4 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:


It has not been like for 50 years. My guess is that we had more leverage with past Big 12 contracts and LHN in noncon kickoff times.

Direct sunlight for 4 hours is very different experience than a sunset or night game.

Setting your tailgate without shade or cover is a bold decision.

lol Tell me you've never run a tailgate without telling me you've never run a tailgate.

We did not have more leverage in the Big 12. We had possibly slightly more everage on the 1-2 LHN games. Networks don't guarantee conferences 100s of millions of dollars for TV rights AND give away the authority to schools to set their own kickoff times. That is fantasyland and has been covered hundreds of times on here in great detail over the years.

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everyone agrees with that

the beef is why espn and the league made the decision to schedule:

1) 0u in philadelphia for an 11am ooc kick (opponent = zero audience) (likely 70 degrees at kickoff, average high 13 september is 79 degrees, w/ 37% overcast)

and 

2) Texas in austin for a 230pm ooc kick (opponent = zero audience) (90% cloudless hellscape, will it be 90 or 110 air temp?)

0u and Texas bring the same audience at 11am or 230pm or 6pm whether home or away when playing a zero audience opponent, as in this exact situation

there is ZERO justification for this scheduling decision by espn and the league

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2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

the city, fair corp, and the schools have had 17 years to figure it out and continue to fail every year

the 2008 final expansion created oceans of concourse space under the upper deck in the endzones

there is enough room to ice down a million bottles of water which should be free and unllimited with cost shared equally by all stakeholders

unlimited free ice cold water would improve concession throughput by 30-50%

hydrated people can drink more BEER

AND

last year (or the year before can't remember) i posted a european plan for the use of dart rail to quadruple capacity and reliability with a 230 kick

 

i should call cdc

 

 

For me it wasn’t just the concourse/concession shit show, that’s annual and expected. But the mass of humanity that the 230 kick creates just trying to get around. 11am kick it’s only the game folk running loose, 230 kick the whole city descends.  

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They also need to move the game day stage from where it is now back to around the big fountain on the Esplanade by the car shows. You’re a fucking moron if you try to enter the stadium at the main gate anyway, but the crush of people that the game day crew creates makes it way worse….

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lol Tell me you've never run a tailgate without telling me you've never run a tailgate.
We did not have more leverage in the Big 12. We had possibly slightly more everage on the 1-2 LHN games. Networks don't guarantee conferences 100s of millions of dollars for TV rights AND give away the authority to schools to set their own kickoff times. That is fantasyland and has been covered hundreds of times on here in great detail over the years.

Every tailgate I see is near shade or have pop-tent. The official ones all have cover. In planning outdoor events in Austin professionally for years, it is a factor for normals.

Texas has immense pull as a Top 3 brand. There is precedent to adjusting kickoff times for special events or weather, anticipating issues. We signed contracts. UT is responsible for this. Just that the luxury suite crowd doesnt give enough fucks.

From a business perspective, the SEC and its tv partners should look at SEC day games as an opportunity. There should be no 230 kicks in September at outdoor venues in the Deeo South. Reserve those games for neutral site indoor or road venues. Make it a thing.

Given hotter Septembers, it’s a legit safety hazard similar to when NFL adjusted kickoffs for the Cardinals when they played at Sun Devil stadium.
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5 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

Texas has immense pull as a Top 3 brand. There is precedent to adjusting kickoff times for special events or weather, anticipating issues. We signed contracts. UT is responsible for this. Just that the luxury suite crowd doesnt give enough fucks.

Name me one time a college football kickoff has been adjusted for weather concerns outside of a hurricane or tropical storm.

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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

From a business perspective, the SEC and its tv partners should look at SEC day games as an opportunity. There should be no 230 kicks in September at outdoor venues in the Deeo South. Reserve those games for neutral site indoor or road venues. Make it a thing.

That's what the people want - more neutral site college games in 3/4 full NFL corporate domes. Nailed it.

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24 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

Given hotter Septembers, it’s a legit safety hazard similar to when NFL adjusted kickoffs for the Cardinals when they played at Sun Devil stadium.

Say what? As a former Cardinals season ticket holder, I must have missed all those night games the NFL gave us. Instead, I was having my ass scalded on those god forsaken metal bleachers at Sun Devil Stadium in the heat of the day.

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1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:


From a business perspective, the SEC and its tv partners should look at SEC day games as an opportunity. There should be no 230 kicks in September at outdoor venues in the Deep South. Reserve those games for neutral site indoor or road venues. Make it a thing.

Given hotter Septembers, it’s a legit safety hazard similar to when NFL adjusted kickoffs for the Cardinals when they played at Sun Devil stadium.

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I'm all for more night games, especially in August / September in Texas, but moving 2:30 PM kicks to NFL venues is a terrible idea. Just have the B1G or NE ACC teams play the mid-afternoon slate. Plus, most of the Southeast isn't nearly as hot as you seem to think. Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee and Georgia in September are warm but far from hazardous. Even northern parts of Mississippi and Alabama aren't bad. It's nothing compared to Texas heat. Only LSU really comes close. 

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17 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

bunch of pussies bitching about the heat.

Yeah, you pussies should just watch from the comfort of your home's Laz Z Boy and media room like I do. 😁

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the city, fair corp, and the schools have had 17 years to figure it out and continue to fail every year
the 2008 final expansion created oceans of concourse space under the upper deck in the endzones
there is enough room to ice down a million bottles of water which should be free and unllimited with cost shared equally by all stakeholders
unlimited free ice cold water would improve concession throughput by 30-50%
hydrated people can drink more BEER
AND
last year (or the year before can't remember) i posted a european plan for the use of dart rail to quadruple capacity and reliability with a 230 kick
 
i should call cdc
 
 

I’d settle for working water fountains. I searched for a while last year before finally filling up my empty bottle in the bathroom sink.
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That's what the people want - more neutral site college games in 3/4 full NFL corporate domes. Nailed it.

It is not viable to have 4 hour football games in 100 degree heat.

We’re talking about 4 games, they already have 2-3 domed games anyway

LSU wants to play in Houston. Arkansas wants to play in Arlington. Teams want to play in Atlanta.

And yes, at one point in the 20th century, the NFL adjusted scheduling for Arizona Cardinals when they first moved there.
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Just now, Eskimohorn said:


It is not viable to have 4 hour football games in 100 degree heat.

We’re talking about 4 games, they already have 2-3 domed games anyway

LSU wants to play in Houston. Arkansas wants to play in Arlington. Teams want to play in Atlanta.

And yes, at one point in the 20th century, the NFL adjusted scheduling for Arizona Cardinals when they first moved there.

Been doing it for decades my guy, quit being a puss.

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11 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

Arkansas wants to play in Arlington.

They just ended the series in Arlington. LSU wants to play at NRG so they can jam as many LSU fans into it versus Houston's tiny stadium. 

Posted
30 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


It is not viable to have 4 hour football games in 100 degree heat.

We’re talking about 4 games, they already have 2-3 domed games anyway

LSU wants to play in Houston. Arkansas wants to play in Arlington. Teams want to play in Atlanta.

Texas will not move a home game to another city. It isn't going to happen, nor should it.

 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

bunch of pussies bitching about the heat.

The heat is a legitimate concern for many people, especially older folks. It's not trivial. Don't be such a dick.

No, the complaining about it won't change anything, but that doesnt mean it isn't a real concern.

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The only heat stroke I’ve ever had in my life happened at a Texas football game. The 2021 opener that kicked at like 3:15 or something ridiculous. Mid second quarter: “Wait why am I cold now? And why am I so dizzy and nauseous?”.

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The heat is a legitimate concern for many people, especially older folks. It's not trivial. Don't be such a dick.
No, the complaining about it won't change anything, but that doesnt mean it isn't a real concern.

Yep, and it gets worse as you get older like me. I don’t bitch about it but I simply don’t go to games until October anymore.
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The heat is a legitimate concern for many people, especially older folks. It's not trivial. Don't be such a dick.
No, the complaining about it won't change anything, but that doesnt mean it isn't a real concern.

Not proposing moving Texas games to neutral site. Im proposing featuring an SEC neutral site game of the week 2-3 more times in the 230 slot during September.

The change from the big 12 LHN games where are cupcakes are at night and our other games are morning or night kicks has been jarring.

I’m noping out of the 3pm game altogether. Its not just olds. By the 4th quarter half of the people in the sun are long gone.
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12 minutes ago, txduck87 said:


Yep, and it gets worse as you get older like me. I don’t bitch about it but I simply don’t go to games until October anymore.

When we had season tickets, there was an older couple who wouldn't show up till October. They had a summer home in Minnesota and stayed up there until around conference play. I always respected that. 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

When we had season tickets, there was an older couple who wouldn't show up till October. They had a summer home in Minnesota and stayed up there until around conference play. I always respected that. 

Yeah, the October home games this year should be nice....Oh, wait.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Can't wait for that to happen then you all bitch that our home game schedule sucks

Can a schedule get worse than the 2025 version? I feel like this is one of the worst home schedules I can recall seeing. 

2 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said:

We should play our September home games at Typhoon Texas

I reluctantly agreed to go there with the wife and kids once. She and her mom friends had this idea that it would be a lot of fun. I had everyone in the car and heading back to civilization from that hellhole immediately after seeing a foot long turd and a dirty diaper floating in the wave pool. Good lord. 

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52 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Can a schedule get worse than the 2025 version? I feel like this is one of the worst home schedules I can recall seeing. 

I reluctantly agreed to go there with the wife and kids once. She and her mom friends had this idea that it would be a lot of fun. I had everyone in the car and heading back to civilization from that hellhole immediately after seeing a foot long turd and a dirty diaper floating in the wave pool. Good lord. 

I had to take my kid to a birthday party there. It’s a long way from my comfort zone. Place is filthy.

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Can't wait for that to happen then you all bitch that our home game schedule sucks

Immamac, get Black Lab on the phone. We’re surrendering our position on the internet. There’s no need to bitch anymore.
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8 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:


It is not viable to have 4 hour football games in 100 degree heat.

And yet it’s been happening for a very long time so someone has determined it’s viable.

9 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

And yes, at one point in the 20th century, the NFL adjusted scheduling for Arizona Cardinals when they first moved there.

No they did not.

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So we have a letter to CDC forthcoming about all the changes Hagbard requires and a proposal to move midday September games to neutral site NFL stadiums. Quite the thread. 

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On 6/4/2025 at 7:43 PM, bluto said:

For me it wasn’t just the concourse/concession shit show, that’s annual and expected. But the mass of humanity that the 230 kick creates just trying to get around. 11am kick it’s only the game folk running loose, 230 kick the whole city descends.  

THIS.  The bathroom situation outside the fair is untenable, especially for the ladies.  9am (or earlier) and it's just game people.  2:30 the dregs of the metroplex descend and shit gets nuts.

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6 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 immediately after seeing a foot long turd and a dirty diaper floating in the wave pool. Good lord. 

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15 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Can a schedule get worse than the 2025 version? I feel like this is one of the worst home schedules I can recall seeing. 

I was told the sec was going to fix our home scheduling woes?  That I was crazy for saying 80% of the league was no different than playing Iowa State and TCU.

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16 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


Yes they did

Please cite a source. My ass fried in the stands and I don’t recall any kickoffs being moved to 7a or 10p to avoid the heat of the day. It hits 100 degrees by 10a in PHX in the early months of the season.

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Please cite a source. My ass fried in the stands and I don’t recall any kickoffs being moved to 7a or 10p to avoid the heat of the day. It hits 100 degrees by 10a in PHX in the early months of the season.

You want me to cite a source from 1988 when they moved to Phoenix? My mind from watching Ed Meese and Charlie Steiner on ESPN.
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Looking at their early schedules, they had three years (1989-1991) where their first three games were on the road. Their first day home game in their inaugural was Week 4.

Their first game ever in 1988 was against the Cowboys. Think was a Monday night game against what would be a 3-13 Cowboys team.

So I think my recollection was incorrect. That the NFL facilitated the scheduling and not the TV. Though that first one was probably a special event given the first home game in Phoenix.

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On 6/5/2025 at 9:07 AM, Eskimohorn said:




Given hotter Septembers, it’s a legit safety hazard similar to when NFL adjusted kickoffs for the Cardinals when they played at Sun Devil stadium.

 

On 6/5/2025 at 9:34 AM, royiv said:

Say what? As a former Cardinals season ticket holder, I must have missed all those night games the NFL gave us. Instead, I was having my ass scalded on those god forsaken metal bleachers at Sun Devil Stadium in the heat of the day.

Best I could find:
 

Specifically, in 1988, there was a controversy surrounding a proposed game time adjustment for the Arizona Cardinals (then the Phoenix Cardinals) due to the heat in Arizona. 
  • The NFL schedule released in April 1988 had the Phoenix Cardinals scheduled to play the Washington Redskins in Phoenix on September 25th.
  • In July, three months after the schedule release, the Washington Redskins realized the potential for extreme heat during the game and requested a change in the game's date to their Week 7 game, which would have been in Washington.
  • The Cardinals, however, refused this request. They stated they had no incentive to swap and pointed out that Washington, with their training in hotter climates, should be more accustomed to the heat.
  • Ultimately, the game remained scheduled for September 25th in Phoenix, as the Cardinals felt a "schedule is a schedule" and that Washington's request was unclear given their own heat training. 
Therefore, while there was an attempt to adjust the game time due to heat concerns, the request was ultimately denied, and the game proceeded as initially scheduled
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On 6/5/2025 at 9:05 PM, mdmost said:

So we have a letter to CDC forthcoming about all the changes Hagbard requires and a proposal to move midday September games to neutral site NFL stadiums. Quite the thread. 

And please end the letter with a, “ Thank you for your attention to this matter.” 

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On 6/4/2025 at 3:37 PM, mdmost said:

Spitballing other game times:

10/4- at Florida, definitely a night game. There's nothing else as compelling that day on the SEC schedule.

10/18- at Kentucky, probably an 11am ABC or midday SEC Network game as the day is stacked with better matchups. Tenn @ Bama will be the ABC game. Ole Miss @ Georgia is the ABC 2:30 game. OU @ South Carolina probably gets the 6pm ESPN spot

10/25- at Mississippi State, definitely an 11am game

11/1- Vanderbilt, another 11am game on ABC. Georgia/Florida is the 2:30 game, OU @ Tenn or South Carolina @ Ole Miss is the 7pm ABC game and the other gets the ESPN night spot. 

11/15- at Georgia, ABC/ESPN night game

11/22- Arkansas, 2:30 ABC game. Only other SEC games are Tenn @ Florida which is the night game and Mizzou @ OU. 

Keeneland Fall Meet will be in session 10/18, so I’d be surprised if that game isn’t at night. 

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3 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Am I supposed to know wtf that is?

It's a blast. I'm planning to attend Keeneland on Friday. Hoping for Saturday night game so also can go to Saturday's meet. But I don't think ESPN gives a fuk about the horse races when determining tv windows.

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