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Saw it this morning with my two granddaughters and we all loved it.

I thought it was a great take on the character and that scene where him and his dad (earth dad) were sitting on the bench outside of his house made me tear up.

Lex Luthor actor was really good and the kid playing Superman was absolutely perfect.

Look forward to more.

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Saw it this morning with my kid, who had only seen a couple of MCU movies in the theater and the animated Spiderverse movies.  He absolutely loved it.  I loved it. Glad Gunn didn’t dwell on origins at the start.

My boomer dad bitched that he heard it was all political. Some things were on the nose, but the movie was written years ago and finished filming earlier last year, and all of the major themes were a staple of the comics, TV series, and movies. There was nothing new about Lex trying to drum up hatred at Superman for being an alien. That goes back four decades in the movies to the Reeves movies and arguably to the start of the comics and why the creators did what they did in the 30s/40s and it’s always been in the comics as a whole since then (it was a staple of Byrne). The invasion for land could stand in for quite a few events over the past several decades and Superman has stopped wars before. Poking fun at talking heads who one minute are praising somebody and then on a dime turn and start calling them traitors was spot on.  Making fun of social media comments being created by mind-controlled monkeys was also hilarious and was the most timely (but true) event. But that was all less than 5 minutes of screen time.

The genius was Gunn was shooting a finished script unlike Snyder, and everything was plotted out well and wrapped up well. As well done as the Guardian movies.  Loved the Justice Gang. So glad he didn’t have Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. the cast was perfect.  Guy Gardner, Hawk Girl, Mr. Terrific, and Metamorpho are a great way to start out things.

Loved Olsen being a ladies man.  Loved that Eve had been deliberately sending him scoops and he didn’t even realize it.

Liked Guy Gardner, but Mr. Terrific was my favorite Justice character.  Both felt like they walked out of the pages of the comics from my youth, and while their screen time was short, they fucking sold their characters and you knew instantly the kind of people they were just by their actions and comments. Supergirl was setup perfectly with just a few minutes of screen time.  None of them felt like they were fumbling their way around trying to figure out the whole super hero thing, they were established already in events prior this movie and were comfortable with who they were.

I know what Snyder was trying to do, but Gunn has a better grasp of how to quickly get things off the ground, and that he really didn’t have the ability to play a long game like the MCU or Snyder did, and that he really didn’t need to since everybody knows who Superman is.  His runway was far shorter than Snyder’s, but he got the bird in the air and on its way in a much better fashion.

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51 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Making fun of social media comments being created by mind-controlled monkeys was also hilarious and was the most timely (but true) event

That part was the most pure channeling of Grant Morrison in the film.  Maybe if Gunn gets to do Batman he’ll include Bat Cow.

 

54 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I know what Snyder was trying to do, but Gunn has a better grasp of how to quickly get things off the ground,

I’m not a Snyder defender, but I do think they each had very different stories they wanted to tell.  I am a little impressed, in hindsight, that Warner gave Snyder so much money to make a version so kid-unfriendly.  
 

Gunn has a good interview on Arm Chair expert and covers some of the developmental process-one factoid was that he claims to have written 650 script pages in a year for Superman, Creature Commandos, and Peacemaker S2.  

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Saw it this morning with my kid, who had only seen a couple of MCU movies and the animated Spiderverse movies.  He absolutely loved it.  I loved it. Glad Gunn didn’t dwell on origins at the start.

My boomer dad bitched that he heard it was all political. Some things were on the nose, but the movie was written years ago and finished filming earlier last year, and all of the major themes were a staple of the comics, TV series, and movies. There was nothing new about Lex trying to drum up hatred at Superman for being an alien. That goes back four decades in the movies to the Reeves movies and arguably to the start of the comics and why the creators did what they did in the 30s/40s and it’s always been in the comics as a whole since then (it was a staple of Byrne). The invasion for land could stand in for quite a few events over the past several decades and Superman has stopped wars before. Poking fun at talking heads who one minute are praising somebody and then on a dime turn and start calling them traitors was spot on.  Making fun of social media comments being created by mind-controlled monkeys was also hilarious and was the most timely (but true) event. But that was all less than 5 minutes of screen time.

The genius was Gunn was shooting a finished script unlike Snyder, and everything was plotted out well and wrapped up well. As well done as the Guardian movies.  Loved the Justice Gang. So glad he didn’t have Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. the cast was perfect.  Guy Gardner, Hawk Girl, Mr. Terrific, and Metamorpho are a great way to start out things.

Loved Olsen being a ladies man.  Loved that Eve had been deliberately sending him scoops and he didn’t even realize it.

Liked Guy Gardner, but Mr. Terrific was my favorite Justice character.  Both felt like they walked out of the pages of the comics from my youth, and while their screen time was short, they fucking sold their characters and you knew instantly the kind of people they were just by their actions and comments. Supergirl was setup perfectly with just a few minutes of screen time.  None of them felt like they were fumbling their way around trying to figure out the whole super hero thing, they were established already in events prior this movie and were comfortable with who they were.

I know what Snyder was trying to do, but Gunn has a better grasp of how to quickly get things off the ground, and that he really didn’t have the ability to play a long game like the MCU or Snyder did, and that he really didn’t need to since everybody knows who Superman is.  His runway was far shorter than Snyder’s, but he got the bird in the air and on its way in a much better fashion.

Very good summation of the whole thing.

Nice job.

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I didn't hate the Snyderverse and I actually thought the Snyder cut of Justice League turned it into a solid, coherent, entertaining movie.

It just wasn't very FUN.  And MoS and BvS weren't very fun.

Superman 1978 was fun.  Batman 1989 was fun.  And this new Superman movie is fun.

I'm really excited to see what Gunn and the DC crew can do with a new DCU.  I want to see Batman in this world, with Gunn's vision.  I already love what I've seen of Green Lantern and Mr. Terrific.  I want to see where else he can take us.

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27 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

That part was the most pure channeling of Grant Morrison in the film.  Maybe if Gunn gets to do Batman he’ll include Bat Cow.

Kind of tying into that, I'm insanely curious where Maxwell Lord will come into play, since Morrison kind of ignored him (but then again some of the characters were pre-Morrison). I know it was Gunn's brother playing him, but at the same time it was made quite clear that Lord is important to the new Superman universe.

27 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I’m not a Snyder defender, but I do think they each had very different stories they wanted to tell.  I am a little impressed, in hindsight, that Warner gave Snyder so much money to make a version so kid-unfriendly.  

As I said, I feel like I know what Snyder was trying to do - maybe a little less about telling major stories and more about exploring what made them tick, in particular, Batman, although Gunn actually showed us what made his Superman tick with a lot less screentime.  I never got the feeling that Snyder really gave a shit about his villains - they were there to lay bare what made Batman, etc. who they are. Gunn gave us a villain that had more of an arc and more character development/explanation than all of Snyder's CGI mess combined.  I can barely remember some of the villains in the Snyderverse.

And I do not believe in a million years that Gunn would have allowed his Superman to let his dad die right in front of him during a fucking tornado, but Snyder had to have that because his Superman had to internally be a hot mess.

Warner Brothers just wanted a DCEU money train, and maybe they thought they'd pull in those who didn't care for the MCU as being too light/kid-friendly.

27 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

Gunn has a good interview on Arm Chair expert and covers some of the developmental process-one factoid was that he claims to have written 650 script pages in a year for Superman, Creature Commandos, and Peacemaker S2.  

I saw an interview where he talked about how he knew exactly what tone he was going for, how he didn't want to start the movie (with an origin story) and where he wanted the movie to end (with it being clear that a Justice League was coming) and said it felt easier to write. He said something to the effect that the movie was the foundation for his universe and the one movie would take the place of the pre-Avengers solo movies, and he did it.

Edit: Gunn said not having to dwell on how to introduce Superman and the JLA to audiences really made the writing easier, since he had it in his head already.

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38 minutes ago, utee94 said:

I didn't hate the Snyderverse and I actually thought the Snyder cut of Justice League turned it into a solid, coherent, entertaining movie.

It just wasn't very FUN.  And MoS and BvS weren't very fun.

Superman 1978 was fun.  Batman 1989 was fun.  And this new Superman movie is fun.

Snyder would have had Krypto killed off and would have shown the squirrel being crushed, and Superman would have been looking for revenge.

The Snyder cut was a solid movie. Very, very epic in scope.  Superman was more grounded and dealt with individuals as individuals (humans and metahumans).

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37 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Snyder would have had Krypto killed off and would have shown the squirrel being crushed, and Superman would have been looking for revenge.

Ha!  John Wick as a metahuman.  Might not have been a bad movie if it were sold that way! :)

41 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The Snyder cut was a solid movie. Very, very epic in scope.  Superman was more grounded and dealt with individuals as individuals (humans and metahumans).

Agreed.  Cavill's Superman in the Snyder cut of JL was so much better as a character, than in all of the other movies.  He was finally who I'd wanted him to be, all along.  Or at least a lot closer.

 

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