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3 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

So we'd clamber out of the car halfway through the ride, and spend the next little bit jumping out from behind corners to scare the ever living shit out of people who were on the ride. 

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(actual photo from the Alpine Sleigh Ride; unsure if that's SL Xpress in the incredible Yeti costume)

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I just find their ratings to be askew with CBs more than anyone. I’ll have watch guys, see them get picked on, and then they’ve got a higher grade than the CB on the opposite side of the field who the opposing team was avoiding like the plague. If memory serves, the returning starting CB for Ohio State had a higher grade last year than his drafted counterpart and the dude returning was holding/PI machine who was almost always in danger of getting burnt. 

Davison Igbinosun. Was exactly the same at Ole Miss. Was a penalty machine who was constantly picked on and somehow that got him a transfer to tOSU and a title ring.

Dude must be doing something right, but it's hard to see what it is.

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20 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Davison Igbinosun. Was exactly the same at Ole Miss. Was a penalty machine who was constantly picked on and somehow that got him a transfer to tOSU and a title ring.

Dude must be doing something right, but it's hard to see what it is.

Laremy Tunsil. Great pass pro grades by PFF. Leads the league in penalties. 

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1 hour ago, CastHorn said:

Hard to tell. I think I see a 6 in there.

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Speaking on Stroh, based off the pic it looks like playing left guard, gonna assume it’s a hand off. He either stepped with the wrong foot or had zero chance from the start. Because if the DT is in a 3 Tech at worst he could’ve washed him down the line. But if he’s playing right guard and that’s a 1 tech or nose shade. Stroh might be fucking lost 

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5 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

It was a huge waste of Earl Campbell's talent. Instead of lining him up 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage with a lead blocker allowing him to get a full head of steam, he was lined up a yard or two behind the quarterback and sent into the interior of the line. 

It was a huge waste of talent. Earl "ran like a deer" when he got to Texas, but they bulked him up to play FB in the Wishbone.  He was still quick, but not as fast.

Sometimes, Earl got to the line so fast, he took a hard turn parallel to the LOS, because there wasn't a crease in front of him. Two big reasons he never should have been a FB.

If I remember correctly, Earl sometimes ran as a wishbone halfback when Roosevelt Leaks was in the game.

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2 hours ago, CastHorn said:

There’s a new Anthony Hill Mic’d up clip on Instagram. Two take aways. Hill blasted Wisner in pass protection, but Wisner stayed in front of him somehow. That was cool. Stroh had a terrible rep at Guard on a goaline situation, someone just tossed his ass. 

I liked Hill shit talking Wisner some "Don't hold me!". 

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4 hours ago, Sell Mortimer Sell said:

Sorry to divert from the Disney talk but this triggered me. I remember going to see UT play UH in the Astrodome in 1983. UT won 9-3 and I was never so pissed after a win in my life. Mossey Cade intercepted a pass and returned it to the UH 1 yard line, you guessed it, FG. Walking out of the stadium I remember seeing UT's total yards for the game was 90 something. It was embarrassing. 

After the 1984-1989 stretch I decided I'd never again be mad after a win.

I was at that game, too. My Dad and I weren't very happy about that game, neither, but we'd both come to expect shitty experiences when playing Cougar High.

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2 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

I was at that game, too. My Dad and I weren't very happy about that game, neither, but we'd both come to expect shitty experiences when playing Cougar High.

The witches in MacBeth couldn't have laid out foreshadowing future ruin any better than you and your Dad. 

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47 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Speaking on Stroh, based off the pic it looks like playing left guard, gonna assume it’s a hand off. He either stepped with the wrong foot or had zero chance from the start. Because if the DT is in a 3 Tech at worst he could’ve washed him down the line. But if he’s playing right guard and that’s a 1 tech or nose shade. Stroh might be fucking lost 

Yes, he’s playing LG.  Yes, it’s a handoff with Gibson going off Strohs right hip.  It is not a wide angle shot so you can’t see much.  The DT didn’t make the play on the RB and not sure he even negatively impacted him.  My initial thought is that the block was effective even if ugly with the DT trying to cut backside rather than fight thru.  But too many unknowns based on the limited view.

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43 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Yes, he’s playing LG.  Yes, it’s a handoff with Gibson going off Strohs right hip.  It is not a wide angle shot so you can’t see much.  The DT didn’t make the play on the RB and not sure he even negatively impacted him.  My initial thought is that the block was effective even if ugly with the DT trying to cut backside rather than fight thru.  But too many unknowns based on the limited view.

If the DT was a 2 tech then I guess that’s the best case scenario when getting beat. But then I have concerns about the DT trying to shoot the B gap when head up with the Guard lol if it’s a zone concept though and that’s a 3 tech Strohs job is to block out. He failed, his head and body are going the complete opposite direction of where it should be going. That’s why I thought it was a misstep. May not matter here but if he sees meaningful time. It’s something to keep an eye on. 
 

No hostility here btw I was just a former O-Linemen and I picked what I saw in the close up lol wide view would certainly help matters but oh well 

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4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

If the DT was a 2 tech then I guess that’s the best case scenario when getting beat. But then I have concerns about the DT trying to shoot the B gap when head up with the Guard lol if it’s a zone concept though and that’s a 3 tech Strohs job is to block out. He failed, his head and body are going the complete opposite direction of where it should be going. That’s why I thought it was a misstep. May not matter here but if he sees meaningful time. It’s something to keep an eye on. 
 

No hostility here btw I was just a former O-Linemen and I picked what I saw in the close up lol wide view would certainly help matters but oh well 

No hostility here either.  Just talking football.  I was too talented to ever play Oline.  Just joking - sorta.  But I do appreciate you guys.  I don’t know the footwork aspect of the line so any aspect of that is appreciated.

And I looked at it again and can’t determine jack.  Robertson is blocking right although not really engaged.  No one blocks Hill.  It looks as though the DT is inside Stroh but can’t exactly tell which way he wants to take him because Gibsons desired path isn’t totally clear.

You can only see 3-4 guys in the clip at a time.  Caldwell, Robertson, Stroh and Gibson then Brevard and Hill so it looks like they’re going against the 1/1b defense.  Probably crappy O across the board.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I was too talented to ever play Oline.

"To be a lineman, you have to be big and dumb. To be a running back, you just have to be dumb."

-DKR (paraphrasing Knute Rockne?)

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29 minutes ago, campcrunk said:

"To be a lineman, you have to be big and dumb. To be a running back, you just have to be dumb."

-DKR (paraphrasing Knute Rockne?)

Not to disparage DKR, and these scores are old (1984), but NFL Wonderlic scores by position are allegedly:

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Posted
19 hours ago, Js1 said:

It is officially 'bash Texas' season

(In regards to the "Texas is the new Alabama" article that was hilariously stupid) 

https://www.on3.com/college/texas-longhorns/news/colin-cowherd-questions-texas-ability-to-physically-dominate-in-2025-nobodys-afraid-of-the-prom-king/

Colin Cowherd questions Texas' ability to physically dominate in 2025: 'Nobody's afraid of the prom king'

“FCC”

Posted
13 hours ago, Eggo said:

Yeah unfortunately the last time I called an LSU QB a "poor man's Sam Ehlinger" in the preseason he went on to have one of the most flawless seasons of any college QB ever. 

The most unbelievable part of Daniel’s’ 2023 season is that he was (mostly) uninjured while running amok. Cheap shot from fuckhead Dallas Turner aside. 

13 hours ago, Fud said:

Laremy Tunsil. Great pass pro grades by PFF. Leads the league in penalties. 

The Iggy hype the OSU boards are fomenting reminds me of the CB at Bama who was picked on constantly and then taken in the first round of the 2024 draft. Did that guy have a good rookie year? I remember debating him in that year’s draft thread. 

12 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Speaking on Stroh, based off the pic it looks like playing left guard, gonna assume it’s a hand off. He either stepped with the wrong foot or had zero chance from the start. Because if the DT is in a 3 Tech at worst he could’ve washed him down the line. But if he’s playing right guard and that’s a 1 tech or nose shade. Stroh might be fucking lost 

That image you guys have been quoting is hilarious. That looks like a 350 lb man getting easily ragdolled. 

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I hope Washington displaces Shannon. We pay in 12 personnel so much.  Juan Davis was sub replacement level at receiving and blocking last year.  It hurt our offense.  I fear more of the same with Shannon if he is TE 2.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I hope Washington displaces Shannon. We pay in 12 personnel so much.  Juan Davis was sub replacement level at receiving and blocking last year.  It hurt our offense.  I fear more of the same with Shannon if he is TE 2.

Washington passing Shannon has seemed preordained to me. Were it not for Washington missing the spring, I doubt it would have to be a thing. That said, I don’t think they’re bullshitting us about Shannon being a good blocker. If they play him in situations, they’re doing it because they want to, versus having to do so. 

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

Washington passing Shannon has seemed preordained to me. Were it not for Washington missing the spring, I doubt it would have to be a thing. That said, I don’t think they’re bullshitting us about Shannon being a good blocker. If they play him in situations, they’re doing it because they want to, versus having to do so. 

That's good to note.  Because Davis was an awful blocker.

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42 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The Iggy hype the OSU boards are fomenting reminds me of the CB at Bama who was picked on constantly and then taken in the first round of the 2024 draft. Did that guy have a good rookie year? I remember debating him in that year’s draft thread. 

Looks like he started all year for one of the best teams in the league, really struggled in the first half of the year, but improved in the second half 

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

I hope Washington displaces Shannon. We pay in 12 personnel so much.  Juan Davis was sub replacement level at receiving and blocking last year.  It hurt our offense.  I fear more of the same with Shannon if he is TE 2.

I would love Washington to supplant him, but it been a long time since Texas had a solid blocker at TE. It has been an issue in blocking for most of Sark's tenure. More focused with finding a capable blocker at TE to match with Endries. Not too worried about pass catching. 

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Much rather have a highly capable blocker at TE to balance Endries with. Shannon can catch too, he just isn’t as athletic as Washington 

No clue how good of a blocker Washington is. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Much rather have a highly capable blocker at TE to balance Endries with. Shannon can catch too, he just isn’t as athletic as Washington 

No clue how good of a blocker Washington is. 

Do you know Shannon can catch from his extended gametime and targets over his Texas career?

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12 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Do you know Shannon can catch from his extended gametime and targets over his Texas career?

There were 9.95 reports of him having decent hands, or being more than a blocker, which gets you a ham sandwich.

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3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

The Iggy hype the OSU boards are fomenting reminds me of the CB at Bama who was picked on constantly and then taken in the first round of the 2024 draft. Did that guy have a good rookie year? I remember debating him in that year’s draft thread.

Terrion Arnold - looks like he kinda sucked.

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Coffee & Football today has former player Lance Gunn #16 as a guest. Seems like a really nice guy and a solid representative for Texas football. I've linked it to start where he enters the show.

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

Coffee & Football today has former player Lance Gunn #16 as a guest. Seems like a really nice guy and a solid representative for Texas football. I've linked it to start where he enters the show.

 

 

 

Story time! When I was a kid circa 1990 we were on vacation, and a Texas football player was house sitting for us. Well he invited half the team over to watch a Mike Tyson fight PPV. Lance Gunn shows up and goes to the wrong house. "Is this where the fight is?" All 6'4, 220 of him and bald. Evidently our neighbor slammed the door in his face. 

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I’ve known Lance since his freshman year.  One of the nicest people you will ever meet.  

He bleeds orange and was at the Sugar Bowl party at Mannings.

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Ohio State insiders are talking more and more about Serevield moving from OG to LT “seamlessly”. Right. 

Additionally, the Minnesota transfer, Phillip Daniels, might be their starter at RT. They’re acting like that’s a good thing but he was an also-ran for them in commentary from the spring and summer. Apparently he has gotten into a fistfight at almost every practice with someone. 

Finally, an insider reveals that Day is treating the Texas game like it is Michigan. “He knows this game is a big deal nationally. “

Yes, please. Prepare for this game the same way y'all have been preparing for Michigan the last 4 years. 

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Just How Dangerous Might the 3rd Down Defense Be? (Thursday) - Vogel

Spoiler

Just How Dangerous Might the 3rd Down Defense Be? (Thursday)

 

CJ Vogel

By CJ Vogel

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Texas' 3rd Down Pass Rush Taking the Next Step

When you have a top-5 defense in the country, not often do you find many areas of true weakness. In fact, many parts of your defense would be considered strengths. 

Taking a deeper look into third downs and what might the personnel groupings on obvious passing situations might be, I can not help but think the Longhorns' could have one of the best packages for third downs in all of the country. Before getting into reasons why that may be, let's look back at the 3rd down conversion percentages since Pete Kwiatkowski arrived as the Longhorn defensive coordinator.

  • 2021: 42.35% (94th)
  • 2022: 41.31% (88th)
  • 2023: 25.99% (1st)
  • 2024: 31.72% (7th)

That is quite the leap. Considering the expectations of the defense, the returning production from a year ago and expected impact from new additions, the Longhorns should remain in, or near, the top-10 of these defensive third down attempts.

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Exploring the NASCAR Package

Pick your poison for who you might see on the field in obvious third down situations. We will get to see the NASCAR package immediately in 2025 with the rematch of Ohio State likely to bring plenty of tricks out of the bag of the Longhorns early on in the season.

Last year in the opener against Colorado State, we saw a sneak peak of what became one of the Longhorns' best defensive personnel packages of the season.

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The question this year becomes who fills the roles of the departed players?

My best guess for the NASCAR package in 2025 is as follows:

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Filling the roles of the 2024 package, I like the look of this unit. The interesting part of this will be how does Texas utilize the linebacking position next to Anthony Hill Jr. Do they go with another pass rushing threat like Trey Moore, or a guy who plays very well in space like TyAnthony Smith?

Remains to be seen, but the versatility of the unit is there.

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That 3rd Down Blitz

This was what really inspired the entire conversation about third downs. Especially third and longs.

I was rewatching Colin Simmons' sacks from 2025 and couldn't help but notice a recurring theme. I'll display where his sacks occurred in 2024, then let you answer what the general theme is:

  • Sack 1: 1st & 10 .
  • Sack 2: 3rd & 8
  • Sack 3: 3rd & 18
  • Sack 4: 1st & 10 ... FF vs. Miss State
  • Sack 5: 3rd & 22
  • Sack 6: 3rd & 17
  • Sack 7: 1st & 10 ... FF vs. Kentucky
  • Sack 8: 3rd & 10 ... FF vs. Georgia
  • Sack 9: 3rd & 8

If your guess was third downs, you got yourself a smart noodle. Six of Simmons' nine sacks from a year ago came on third and longs, otherwise in that NASCAR package.

What is interesting here, is the addition of Anthony Hill Jr. in this conversation gives you a look at the aggression Texas has when deploying both Simmons and Hill in pass rushing situations. Again, favorable and heavy passing downs, you get both Simmons and Hill coming after the quarterback.

  • Sack 1: 2nd & 12
  • Sack 2: 4th & 12 
  • Sack 3: 1st & 10 vs. Miss State
  • Sack 4: 1st & 20 vs. OU
  • Sack 5: 3rd & 20 vs. OU 
  • Sack 6: 1st & 10 vs. UGA
  • Sack 7: 1st & 10 vs. UK
  • Sack 8: 3rd & Goal vs. UK

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All together, the average distance to the sticks for Simmons on his sacks is 12.5 yards, where for Hill is 12.1. Texas wins first down, and it puts so much pressure on opposing quarterbacks and offensive coordinators to get into third down and reasonable, otherwise the drive ends and the Longhorn offense is back on the field.

 

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It’s not a big deal but would like some clarity on the NASCAR package.  I saw the write-up on OTF but didn’t clarify it.

 

Here it says at least 3 Edge guys.  On OTF, it showed last year having a 6th DB instead of s 2nd LB.  They also drew up a theoretical with only 5 DBs.  I had thought the 6th DB was part the package.

Does it require the 6th DB?

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2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

It’s not a big deal but would like some clarity on the NASCAR package.  I saw the write-up on OTF but didn’t clarify it.

 

Here it says at least 3 Edge guys.  On OTF, it showed last year having a 6th DB instead of s 2nd LB.  They also drew up a theoretical with only 5 DBs.  I had thought the 6th DB was part the package.

Does it require the 6th DB?

All you really need to understand is the DE aspect of it, man. It's fast people to bum rush the passer and DBs/LBs. What is behind the main rushers is dependent on the opponent, matchup, and down and distance. 

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16 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

It’s not a big deal but would like some clarity on the NASCAR package.  I saw the write-up on OTF but didn’t clarify it.

 

Here it says at least 3 Edge guys.  On OTF, it showed last year having a 6th DB instead of s 2nd LB.  They also drew up a theoretical with only 5 DBs.  I had thought the 6th DB was part the package.

Does it require the 6th DB?

No. It is just really about the DL. Made famous from Spagnola and the Giants, when he would put 4 DEs on the defensive line. Think Babers uses it for 3 DEs and a DT. Basically just a pass rushing personnel  package.  

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Posted
2 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Terrion Arnold - looks like he kinda sucked.

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He also tied for 1st in most Pass Interference penalties in the NFL last year.  

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Washington might be the key to unlocking the offense given Arch and the line are good. Being able to go 12 personnel and punish teams that go nickel with the run,  then punish them with the pass when they go big up front to stop the run. That requires the 2nd TE to be able to block on the end of the line against nickel and beat a LB in coverage against a big front. He and Endries are the only ones that can possibly do both, but Endries is a probably bit light to be blocking in line. Unless his technique is flawless. 

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