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1 hour ago, Laguna said:

The PFF score fetishizing has really kicked up this season.

Are there any former coaches or players that can opine on how closely their grading system matches up with that used by college programs?

PFF Player Grades

-2 to +2 on any given play. 0 being average.

I know a guy who interned at PFF a while back, and maybe the process has changed since he was there, but he said there is a lot left up to individual interpretation when they are grading stuff and you aren't getting the same person grading your game each week, so you are getting a lot of individual opinions. 

They use a lot of fancy jargon and say a lot of cool stuff in that article you linked explaining how they do stuff, but I am highly skeptical they are reviewing and grading games multiple times based on All-22 film (as they claim), considering how quickly they push out grades. I also still don't really understand the process of converting their plus/minus grades onto a 0-100 scale, where 60 is apparently an average grade and 80 is considered outstanding. It's a useful data point that usually backs up what we see with our eyes, but it ain't gospel.

It's wild how many different stats, rankings and metrics you see thrown around nowadays. You can pretty much find something to fit any narrative you want. You think Texas special teams sucks? SP+ has Texas at 135th nationally. You think special teams have been okay? FEI has Texas at 20th. 

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3 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

I remember when he was considered something of a charity take to keep his brother in the fold. Not terrible, just that we may not have had nearly as much interest had Neto not been such a prized recruit. Funny how things work out. 

I'm not sure this is true. I believe we were on him because he was really good and was also a top-150 recruit, I believe? Sans ESPN, because they don't know shit about recruiting, and haven't for close to a decade and a half. 

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1 hour ago, gurt said:

I know you said you won't go through box scores, so you'll just have to trust me then that we have not been good against teams in the top 50 of rushing defense for the Sark/Flood tenure

fuck that ice cube GIF

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We all knew their new QB, Gunnar Stockton sucks ass when we played them in the CCG. I don't if they have anyone better. Their QB room has been meh at best. They do have a commit from the #2 Qab in 2026 in Jared Curtis, whom Sark was evaluating between him and Dia Bell, and chose to go all-in on Bell, which he made the right decision. 

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2 hours ago, Laguna said:

The PFF score fetishizing has really kicked up this season.

Are there any former coaches or players that can opine on how closely their grading system matches up with that used by college programs?

PFF Player Grades

-2 to +2 on any given play. 0 being average.

It's useful for personnel grouping and snap count stats, but I wouldn't masterbate over its grading other than using it directionally 

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22 minutes ago, Fud said:

It's useful for personnel grouping and snap count stats, but I wouldn't masterbate over its grading other than using it directionally 

Shit too late

Im Out GIF

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25 minutes ago, Fud said:

It's useful for personnel grouping and snap count stats, but I wouldn't masterbate over its grading other than using it directionally 

You’re not the boss of me 

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Seems like the team took its foot off the gas after the big 28 point run. Sometimes its hard to stay up for a team everyone considers inferior or remember what cruising speed feels like vs overdrive

Last 6 games Texas played were Ohio St (2X), Clemson and ASU in the playoffs, Georgia for the SEC championship, aggy ( I know they suck but it was an intense game)

Am I worried OU is gonna come out and smack is in the mouth after a month of "cruising"? A little. Florida game the week before should help us ramp things back up

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Wow. Finally caught up on the thread and it’s been interesting. I experienced the full range of emotions. Disgust. Confusion. Laughter. And Disgust. 

Based on that, I’ve completely revamped my top ten list of what constitutes a successful season for Texas. 

10. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team. 

9. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

8. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

7. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

6. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

5. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

4. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

3. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

2. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

1. Parker Livingstone makes SEC second team

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4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You are the Helobious of OL evaluations and opinions. The more certitude you use in discussing the OL issues and talent, the more confident I get that things will be sorted more sooner than later. 

I feel like you are ignoring yeoman work Jfkfc has done on that front. 

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8 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Neto isn’t playing much because he’s a fucking idiot and they’re worried about him missing an assignment in pass pro or committing a stupid penalty. People involved with the spring and summer thought he was the best player at LG - if he could be trusted. 

Robertson is supposedly the best C on campus but then they’re benching the unit leader or pushing him to LG where he’s been meh when playing. 

The bigger complaint about Flood should be centered around what he’s actually valuing that pushes actual performance to the background. 

If Cole Hutson has a million haters, I am one of them.

If Cole Hutson has only one hater, it is me.

If Cole Hutson has no haters, I have left this world.

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16 hours ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

We’ve been sucked into rehashing last year’s run offense (again), but I want to point out that the original claim was that we’ve struggled with running the ball against quality opponents for 4 years. That’s Sark’s entire tenure. Wild claim. Some have forgotten that our run offense was far ahead of the pass game for multiple years and featured these highlights: 

- We closed a season running wildcat because all our QBs were hurt

- We won multiple games by shutting down the offense and only running the ball in the second half 

- The biggest complaint about our first CFP loss was that we didn’t stick with the run

- We had 4 OL and 5 RBs drafted (that I can remember off the top of my head)

I don’t have the time or desire to go into individual game box scores, player accolades, or coach advancements, but it’s just not true that Sark/Flood are incapable of putting together a good run offense that performs against good teams. It is true, however, that Sark’s tenure is now long enough that people are forgetting what actually happened along the way

I look at rushing stats a bit different. You can take at the Bama game. Texas ran for under 3 yards a carry. Bama wants to play aggressive and get a safety involved in the box, you should beat them throwing the ball. The run game was successful as it ended the game. It was poor most the game, but when it was needed it came through. 

Washington and OSU took a more modern approach. They ran light boxes against Texas and played the pass (Texas defense is built on this approach). You have to be able to punish teams for doing that. Getting 4 yards and not converting in short yardage situations is not punishing the defense for running light boxes. You have to get explosives and/or convert in those short yardage situations. If you are not doing either the defense wins. 

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Wednesday - Talent Max/Injuries: Bobby

Spoiler

Wednesday - Talent Max/Injuries

 

Bobby Burton

By Bobby Burton

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Gerry Hamilton calls football recruiting a “talent maximization” game.

Sure, a recruit has to have some requisite physical skills. But the real difference in a recruit making it or not comes from a combination of commitment to craft, football smarts, work ethic, and more intangibles than I can list.

Take the case of Sydir Mitchell.

At 6-foot-5 and 340 pounds, Mitchell has all the physical traits and then some. He signed with Texas in the class of 2023, the only defensive tackle the Longhorns would ink.

He had ample opportunity to grow, to develop, both physically and mentally, at Texas. He even showed some signs of progress in his two years on the 40 Acres. It felt like he might even be due for a breakout year in 2025.

But Mitchell abruptly decided to transfer to LSU this past winter.

Then yesterday, we learned he was no longer a member of the Tiger football team.

Such is life.

I don’t want to presuppose that the football career of Mitchell is over. He could still end up elsewhere down the line.

But this is a cautionary tale. Life is what you make of it, all parts of it, including football recruiting.

To all those young recruits out there, when you get to Texas or wherever you’re going, make the most of your opportunity. Maximize your talent, because that’s really what it is all about.

**

CJ Vogel mentioned yesterday some specific player injuries that we’ve been tracking this week.

It’s possible that as many as six players in the Texas two-deep depth chart miss Saturday’s contest or are, at the very least, limited.

As Steve Sarkisian alluded to yesterday when discussing Tre Wisner, there is no reason for Texas to be aggressive in seeing players return to action too quickly.

The team’s health in preparation for conference play and the long grind of it is the priority.

But six players is quite a lot. It’s hard to build the all-important chemistry, especially on offense, with so many different faces.

 

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Posted (edited)
47 minutes ago, El Hornarino said:

4 yards per carry is great if the plan is to run three downs in a row and not commit procedure or holding penalties. 

It is only great if you stick to the run and convert on critical downs and redzone. Your comment is part of the calculus. If I am game planning for Texas the #1 goal is limit explosive plays, force Texas to execute 10 play drives (without a negative play), and convert in the redzone. I can tell you Sark would much prefer throwing explosives than grinding out 10-15 play drives at ~4 yards a clip. 

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28 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

It is only great if you stick to the run and convert on critical downs and redzone. Your comment is part of the calculus. If I am game planning for Texas the #1 goal is limit explosive plays, force Texas to execute 10 play drives (without a negative play), and convert in the redzone. I can tell you Sark would much prefer throwing explosives than grinding out 10-15 play drives at ~4 yards a clip. 

He wants to be able to do both/either. Sometimes we want to run clock. But as you mention, if the OL is not opening space for the run game, hit an explosive or two and space will open for the rb's

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So what I have learned about our run game:

1. Overall it sucks

2. If we run the ball well its b/c the Defense is weak

3. If we dont run the ball well see #1

4. If we run a reverse to success and it adds to our rushing total, see #1

5. We have had numerous RB get drafted, everyone has seen the picture , see #1

6. We have had a few OL get drafted recently , see #1

7. If we run the ball to close out a game, kill clock and suck the life out of a D that is tired, we still revert back to #1

8. We have played, Clemson, ASU, tOSU twice, UGA (came within a turn of the the head in the wrong direction  of beating them and winning SEC), TAMU going 3-3 and again see #1

AM right?!.  Put me in the category of our run game is not perfect but it is far from poor.

 

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22 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

So what I have learned about our run game:

1. Overall it sucks

2. If we run the ball well its b/c the Defense is weak

3. If we dont run the ball well see #1

4. If we run a reverse to success and it adds to our rushing total, see #1

5. We have had numerous RB get drafted, everyone has seen the picture , see #1

6. We have had a few OL get drafted recently , see #1

7. If we run the ball to close out a game, kill clock and suck the life out of a D that is tired, we still revert back to #1

8. We have played, Clemson, ASU, tOSU twice, UGA (came within a turn of the the head in the wrong direction  of beating them and winning SEC), TAMU going 3-3 and again see #1

AM right?!.  Put me in the category of our run game is not perfect but it is far from poor.

 

Insert pic of RBs who are all on the bench and in the NFL. 

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17 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

Georgia is like 130th in yards in the air per attempt.  Woof!

I think it was tongue in cheek, but that was mentioned today by Neuheisel. Stockton has only attempted 4 passes that were longer than 10 yards. If Tennessee can't beat this Georgia team, they never will.

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2 hours ago, El Hornarino said:

4 yards per carry is great if the plan is to run three downs in a row and not commit procedure or holding penalties. 

I like our current game plan. 
 

1st down 2 yards run after hit in backfield 

2nd down false start 

2nd down run for 5 yards 

3rd down incomplete 50 yard pass 

Punt 

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10 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

1st play in this is for @closetojumping

Watching this again in slow motion. Millions of dollars on comedy errors 10 men  on the field. Falling down on your own feet. Lazy ass route running. This team is so fucked 

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Sark literally (literally!) said in a press conference this week that his philosophy is to gain yards on explosive plays because the analyticis show that scoring drops precipitously when an offensive is predicated on long, grind it out drives.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Sark literally (literally!) said in a press conference this week that his philosophy is to gain yards on explosive plays because the analyticis show that scoring drops precipitously when an offensive is predicated on long, grind it out drives.

But modern defenses are being designed to take away those easy scores and deep scores so having to grind out drives is necessary. 

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Sark literally (literally!) said in a press conference this week that his philosophy is to gain yards on explosive plays because the analyticis show that scoring drops precipitously when an offensive is predicated on long, grind it out drives.

We saw evidence of this all of last year too.  If Quinn hits a few deep balls then we are sending an avalanche of shit on our opponents and winning games by 3+ scores easily.  Lots for us to work on of course, but I'm not gonna worry about what we do versus these overmatched teams like some on here.  If we look like shit fried over against Florida, then I'll start worrying.  It's not like Georgia, LSU and Penn State have been setting the world on fire.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

But modern defenses are being designed to take away those easy scores and deep scores so having to grind out drives is necessary. 

Then the math should show a shift towards more productive extended drives, and it apparently isn't, so . . .

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Then the math should show a shift towards more productive extended drives, and it apparently isn't, so . . .

Not debating you just stating. Sark has struggled with defenses who do what I described. Especially if they’re able to limit our run game

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I'm coaching my kid's little league soccer team. I just had to do a training session from the Positive Coaching Alliance. Had a lot of stuff about giving encouragement and criticism in a 5:1 ratio, giving "compliment sandwiches," filling players' "energy tanks," and giving players a "mistake ritual" so they can move on to the next play. Which led me to think a lot about the value of shame and how we, as modern Americans, have lost shame as a valuable tool. And I'm worried that Flood has been leaning on the Positive Coaching Alliance playbook a bit too much. 

Our OL needs to be ashamed of how they played last week, and the coaches need to be reinforcing that feeling of shame. We need some "Private Pyle sucking his thumb while his buddies do up-downs" kind of coaching. Just some psychologically traumatizing coaching techniques. 

This isn't U6 soccer. These men are getting paid too much money to play like children. 

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Then the math should show a shift towards more productive extended drives, and it apparently isn't, so . . .

I dont understand what we’re talking about. When defenses stop the offense from scoring on lots of plays, the offense will be less efficient than on drives where the defense gives up big plays for a score. Isnt that self evident?

But in modern football when safeties are more and more two deep, the most effective offenses are ones with dual threat QBs with dynamic run games (Ravens, Eagles). You punish undermanned fronts and also convert on short yardage.
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3 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

I dont understand what we’re talking about. When defenses stop the offense from scoring on lots of plays, the offense will be less efficient than on drives where the defense gives up big plays for a score. Isnt that self evident?

Well, you kind of assumed the defenses aren't capable of stopping the explosive plays.  I assume the success rate drops as a team tries to move the ball farther per play.  Sark is just saying that the math still supports that style of offense as opposed to old school 3 yards and a cloud of dust carcinogenic black pellets.

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