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I Don't Want To Make This Poll, But its unfortunately necessary  

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  1. 1. Bench Arch

    • Lolwtf - still Heisman in the making you idiot.
      17
    • Nah, I think he's gonna get it together for a full game soon.
      84
    • Nah, but you gotta ride it out one more week for a half
      111
    • Nah, he is booty juice though
      58
    • Yeah, for at least a few series
      96
    • Yeah give someone the next start
      60
    • Booo. Booooooooooooooo this man! (At home)
      6
  2. 2. Who is the successor?

    • Nobody you idiot doctor dre is dead
      96
    • KJ Lacy
      104
    • Trey Owens
      48
    • Ryan Wingo
      8
    • Matthew Caldwell
      176


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Posted
1 hour ago, GTX Horn said:

I just don’t see him pulling Arch. Sark has shown a tendency to stubbornly let the QBs flail. He did it with Card @Arkansas in ‘21 and with Quinn in ‘22 @Oklahoma State. Granted those were both against P4 teams on the road, not at home against a CUSA team

Sark benched Card at Arkansas. 

He also benched Ewers against UGA, albeit briefly. 

Not a QB, but he also demoted Blue from RB1 in 2023. 

He’s stubborn but has shown that he is willing to pull his starters if they aren’t getting it done. 

Posted
36 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Sark benched Card at Arkansas. 

He also benched Ewers against UGA, albeit briefly. 

Not a QB, but he also demoted Blue from RB1 in 2023. 

He’s stubborn but has shown that he is willing to pull his starters if they aren’t getting it done. 

Again, none of them were named Manning.

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Posted
6 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

It don't make a shit. Reposting here because it's relevant.

Only 1 of 3 possibilities exist.

1) Arch is and always has been shit and nobody in all of his professional level personal training in HS and college, family of NFL QBs or 2 full fucking years at Texas under Sark caught that reality. So for 2 fucking years and 2 games played Sark didn't see the issues and make plans/moves in the portal or otherwise for a good alternative.

2) Arch was great but was absolutely hampered upon arrival at Texas by the coaching staff. We saw a 5 star and NFL drafted QB slowly lose his self confidence, execution and leadership under this staff. It might well be that the time he spent at OSU made him as good as he was since the performance curve dropped the longer he was here. Also, it may be that the offensive game plan didn't fit his abilities well and Sark was stuffing a square peg in a round hole. All of these could absolutely be true for Arch and there is a very clear example of it occurring here already.

3) Arch is hurt and the staff is keeping it under wraps as the alternative options are even worse. Remember this exact same argument in the Ewers thread? Well, it turns out to be true. 

Those are the 3 options, and there are no others. Ever single fucking one of them points to shitty head and offensive coaching work. All of them.  

Option #4 is it's mental with Arch right now which I think is the most likely.  He's pressing and spiraling.

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Posted

I will be shocked if Sark benches him. 

Although in the 2nd half of that game I saw Sark do something I never thought I'd see... lean on QB run. 

Sark allowed Ewers to spare it up game after game after game and never put him on the pine. Can't see him do it to Arch unless Arch's yips get so bad he just has no other option and it would be cruel to leave him in. 

Ewers main problem was consistency. He rarely just looked as mentally lost as Arch did yesterday. 

Someone needs to tell Arch to relax and not worry about expectations because no one expects him to do anything other than suck at this point. It's all up from here if he can get over himself. 

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Posted

I said it in the other thread, but Sark is like Mack - scared to death of a QB controversy. If Caldwell comes in and lights it up or even shows a modicum of competence, there's no going back. Arch will run to the portal and some QB desperate program will throw a bag at him in a rehab effort.

Posted
8 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Simms' first start was on the road against A&M as a true freshman. He had more passing yards against A&M in half than Archer had against UTEP in an entire game. 

VY's first start was as a redshirt freshman against Iowa State.

Colt's bad game was against Ohio State. He looked quite good in his other games. 

Ewers was crushing before the injury. 

Do you really think any these are comparable to struggling, and that's putting it mildly, against fucking UTEP? At their very lowest moments, none of those QBs ever performed has badly as Arch did yesterday, especially taking into account the level of competition. 

Yeah. None of them looked like a superstar in their first few games. And none of them looked like a superstar for 100% of their career. A couple of them are even vilified by an outspoken contingent of fans. VY and Colt maybe looked like superstars for 95% of their careers, but not 100%. And you still had a vocal contingent of dumbasses wanting VY to move to WR and to start John Chiles over Colt.

And that's the point. I admit Arch looks worse than I could have possibly imagined, but I sure as shit didn't expect him to look all-world. Some of the dumb motherfuckers here did. If he still looks like this in October, bench him and let him earn it back.

Posted
I said it in the other thread, but Sark is like Mack - scared to death of a QB controversy. If Caldwell comes in and lights it up or even shows a modicum of competence, there's no going back. Arch will run to the portal and some QB desperate program will throw a bag at him in a rehab effort.

Arch has one quarter to play at a mediocre level which is to hit wide open receivers at about a 75% clip, and that’s to their catch radius. Basically if he can play at a level like Tyrone Swoopes, he can continue to play.

Swoopes could hit first read guys about that rate. He also could find easy looks downfield. He was OK at that. John Harris had some big games.

Of course he could not process quickly or read defenses. And he was inconsistent. And his line was much worse. But he’d hit that first read out to Livingstone on 4th down. He could complete a pass on a curl.

One quarter. Caldwell must have a body of work heading into Florida. You cant run Arch out in the Swamp like he’s been.
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Posted

I think you announce publicly that Arch will start, but his backup will be prepared to play early in if Arch does not perform to a starter's standard.  And fucking mean it.  Give Arch the warning, the chance to man up and play but be prepared to see if someone else does not suck in game situations.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

I will be shocked if Sark benches him. 

Although in the 2nd half of that game I saw Sark do something I never thought I'd see... lean on QB run. 

Sark allowed Ewers to spare it up game after game after game and never put him on the pine. Can't see him do it to Arch unless Arch's yips get so bad he just has no other option and it would be cruel to leave him in. 

Ewers main problem was consistency. He rarely just looked as mentally lost as Arch did yesterday. 

Someone needs to tell Arch to relax and not worry about expectations because no one expects him to do anything other than suck at this point. It's all up from here if he can get over himself. 

Just try to get 10 yards for starter.  Thats it, get 10 yards.  I actually liked Urban's advice to a new starting QB prior to the Texas vs OSU game.  Just try for 1-2 first downs and lean on the team.  We need to get in FG and take the points, lean on defense and hope the run game continue to develop.  I honestly hate Sark's relentless attempts at 4th down.  That shit destroys the confidence of a new offense.

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I he looks anything like he did against UTEP on Saturday against Sammy Houston,  you bench him at half.  And then you bring in the next man up,

If the next man up puts in a good half, Monday during the press conference Sark answers the QB for the Florida game is game time decision.   

 

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36 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

Just try to get 10 yards for starter.  Thats it, get 10 yards.  I actually liked Urban's advice to a new starting QB prior to the Texas vs OSU game.  Just try for 1-2 first downs and lean on the team.  We need to get in FG and take the points, lean on defense and hope the run game continue to develop.  I honestly hate Sark's relentless attempts at 4th down.  That shit destroys the confidence of a new offense.

Sark needs to recall this guy is now in Miami.  

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I he looks anything like he did against UTEP on Saturday against Sammy Houston,  you bench him at half.  And then you bring in the next man up,

If the next man up puts in a good half, Monday during the press conference Sark answers the QB for the Florida game is game time decision.   

 

If you bench him, you bench him the remainder of the season imo

Posted
2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

I said it in the other thread, but Sark is like Mack - scared to death of a QB controversy. If Caldwell comes in and lights it up or even shows a modicum of competence, there's no going back. Arch will run to the portal and some QB desperate program will throw a bag at him in a rehab effort.

I've begun wondering if Sark has used these cupcake games to either bring Arch up to speed or, failing that, create a public consensus that a move has to be made. If he benches Arch now, it's not some crazy out-of-blue decision. Further, as I've written before, I think Arch being taken from the field with the challenge of earning his way back onto it is a new approach to his problems.

If he doesn't play any better, he's welcome to leave should he choose to do so. He is not currently performing at a level to start at Texas nor is he showing much potential for getting that good. We're not the University of Arch. 

 

16 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

I feel like it will require a Chris Simms Big 12 Championship type of meltdown for Sark to bench him.

The Ohio State game meets that mark. The abysmal performance since then punctuates it.

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Posted

We've got 3 games of really subpar to abjectly shitty QB play after which Arch is mopey and says, "I played poorly.  I've got to play better."

It doesn't take much of that for people to lose faith.  And by people, I don't mean fans who are always going to be ignorantly fickle.  I mean coaches and teammates.  And if a head coach insists on testing the definition of insanity by trotting the same non-performing player out there as a starter without seeing if someone else can be more than shitty on Saturdays, well, it doesn't take much of that for players, other coaches, recruits and those fickle fans to lose faith in the head coach, too.

Compare Arch's postgame demeanor and subsequent performance after subpar/shitty play in these 3 games to this guy's.  If this is an example of the intangible "it" that the best players have, Arch right now is a void of "it".  I wish it was different for him.

 

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Posted

For those saying Arch should be benched, who the F is going to play?  Caldwell can probably be better than the current version of Arch, but starting a guy that threw for 13 TD's and 8 picks for Troy last year lowers your ceiling on the season immediately.  There is simply no way Arch has been this bad in practice. Hell, we all saw him last season play multiple levels better than what we've seen this year.  If it's mental, which seems likely, you have to give him a chance to figure it out the next 2 weeks at least then start against UF and see what happens.    Hell, we might be better off running a Georgia Tech/Haynes King run first offense than going to a backup to win those games in October and November.

Putting aside the national media scrutiny the second Arch is benched and what all that outside noise could do, I don't think likely we somehow improve dramatically.

 

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Posted (edited)
25 minutes ago, Skipper said:

For those saying Arch should be benched, who the F is going to play?  Caldwell can probably be better than the current version of Arch, but starting a guy that threw for 13 TD's and 8 picks for Troy last year lowers your ceiling on the season immediately.  There is simply no way Arch has been this bad in practice. Hell, we all saw him last season play multiple levels better than what we've seen this year.  If it's mental, which seems likely, you have to give him a chance to figure it out the next 2 weeks at least then start against UF and see what happens.    Hell, we might be better off running a Georgia Tech/Haynes King run first offense than going to a backup to win those games in October and November.

Putting aside the national media scrutiny the second Arch is benched and what all that outside noise could do, I don't think likely we somehow improve dramatically.

 

Bro our season ceiling is lowered as fuck with this version of Manning. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Bro our season ceiling is lowered as fuck with this version of Manning. 

Well no shit dumbass.   The only possible scenario where we could still make a run is if Manning gets 'fixed'. That's the point.   Benching him and trotting out Caldwell isn't getting you to the playoffs.   So unless you think benching him is going to 'fix' Manning, it's dumb idea.    Coaching staff has 3 weeks of practice to try to get him right.  Personally I hope the top sports pysch in the country has been flown in to work with him.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Well no shit dumbass.   The only possible scenario where we could still make a run is if Manning gets 'fixed'. That's the point.   Benching him and trotting out Caldwell isn't getting you to the playoffs.   So unless you think benching him is going to 'fix' Manning, it's dumb idea.    Coaching staff has 3 weeks of practice to try to get him right.  Personally I hope the top sports pysch in the country has been flown in to work with him.

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Has Sark tried speaking to Arch in his native tongue?

Sark to Arch;

Say love, Come see, where y’at?  Arch you need to call up ya Mama and dem, you heard me? Get your Oncle Peyton on da line. Put ya Go Cup down and get to work! You isn’t ever gonna hear Who Dat down da road playing like dis Cher!

Posted
1 minute ago, Royale with cheese said:

 

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Roy Hobbs ain't got no time for this shit and neither does Arch.

Caldwell needs more snaps this week in the event Arch can't unfuck himself. No, this isn't a playoff team with Caldwell starting, but it's even worse with Arch unless he fixes it. That's totally up to him unless the staff is hiding some physical deficiency, which I doubt. Hell, get Lacey a couple of series too.

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Posted
1 minute ago, TejasPedro said:

Has Sark tried speaking to Arch in his native tongue?

Sark to Arch;

Say love, Come see, where y’at?  Arch you need to call up ya Mama and dem, you heard me? Get your Oncle Peyton on da line. Put ya Go Cup down and get to work! You isn’t ever gonna hear Who Dat down da road playing like dis Cher!

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Well no shit dumbass.   The only possible scenario where we could still make a run is if Manning gets 'fixed'. That's the point.   Benching him and trotting out Caldwell isn't getting you to the playoffs.   So unless you think benching him is going to 'fix' Manning, it's dumb idea.    Coaching staff has 3 weeks of practice to try to get him right.  Personally I hope the top sports pysch in the country has been flown in to work with him.

 

10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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This.  If this version of Manning continues, I'm looking to Caldwell to try and get to 7-8 wins

Posted
3 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Caldwell needs more snaps this week in the event Arch can't unfuck himself. No, this isn't a playoff team with Caldwell starting, but it's even worse with Arch unless he fixes it. That's totally up to him unless the staff is hiding some physical deficiency, which I doubt. Hell, get Lacey a couple of series too.

In a meltdown scenario where Arch is benched long term, then yeah, might as well see what Lacey has.

Posted
18 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

Sark benched Card at Arkansas. 

He also benched Ewers against UGA, albeit briefly. 

Not a QB, but he also demoted Blue from RB1 in 2023. 

He’s stubborn but has shown that he is willing to pull his starters if they aren’t getting it done. 

Kinda makes ya wonder what he and Flood say to each other when grading Stroh and the O-Line

Posted
2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This.  If this version of Manning continues, I'm looking to Caldwell to try and get to 7-8 wins

I think this is a 9-3 team if Caldwell plays like an average P4 quarterback. The AJ McCarron strategy and game plan. Of course, he's only played on FCS/FBS teams, so we don't know if he's capable of it. He certainly can't do worse than the current version of Arch. 

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3 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Kinda makes ya wonder what he and Flood say to each other when grading Stroh and the O-Line

If Arch hasn't been such a mess agreed this would be a huge topic on this board.  If that is our best option at Guard, then we have completely fucked up evaluations and/or development at that position. He's been awful.

Posted (edited)

Football is ninety percent mental.  The other half is physical.

-Yogi Berra

--El Hornarino

 

I do not know which option is the least terrible.  Caldwell named starter for this week, "open competition" this week (not in the poll), or Arch to start but with a short leash.  Which one best relieves him of the notion he needs to play perfect every down, while maintaining confidence?

Regardless, he doesn't have it right now, and is looking more like a change of pace / short yardage QB rather than a full time starter.  Hopefully our staff is more enlightened than I am.

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Posted
On 9/13/2025 at 8:19 PM, Steelers Roll Left said:

I think you have to stick with him if for no other reason, recruiting reasons.  But in doing so, ya’ll may have to accept that he’s a multi-year project, and yes, one that may never fulfill expectations

I think quite the opposite.  You show recruits that the best player plays - so if you think you're better than what we are showing on the field, come to Austin.  Otherwise we only get players who don't want to compete and quality QBs won't come knowing they won't play even if they are better.

 

44 minutes ago, El Hornarino said:

Football is ninety percent mental.  The other half is physical.

-Yogi Berra

--El Hornarino

 

I do not know which option is the least terrible.  Caldwell named starter for this week, "open competition" this week (not in the poll), or Arch to start but with a short leash.  Which one best relieves him of the notion he needs to play perfect every down, while maintaining confidence?

Regardless, he doesn't have it right now, and is looking more like a change of pace / short yardage QB rather than a full time starter.  Hopefully our staff is more enlightened than I am.

You start Caldwell and give Arch cover - let the media assume he's hurt.  Privacy laws, sorry, can't comment.

Posted

How much has the weight of the pre-season #1 ranking (in addition to all of the other heavy expectations -- Manning name, Texas QB, finally your team, etc.) contributed to Arch's poor start? Mental weight too much?

Posted
16 hours ago, 6th Street said:

I said it in the other thread, but Sark is like Mack - scared to death of a QB controversy. If Caldwell comes in and lights it up or even shows a modicum of competence, there's no going back. Arch will run to the portal and some QB desperate program will throw a bag at him in a rehab effort.

I'd like to know where the assumption that Arch is going to later become someone we will miss comes from?  Objectively, we've never seen it.

Posted
32 minutes ago, Crockett said:

How much has the weight of the pre-season #1 ranking (in addition to all of the other heavy expectations -- Manning name, Texas QB, finally your team, etc.) contributed to Arch's poor start? Mental weight too much?

Clearly

Posted
On 9/13/2025 at 8:02 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

I would say go with Lacey and prepare for the next few seasons. We will obviously have growing pains but maybe he will be able to at least complete simple routes on time and make the easy throw. 

 

Let Arch portal and Sark hire a offensive play caller, fire Milwee and Flood.

You can't do it yet. We have to be out of playoff and SEC contention before you do that. 

I do think that whomever is the backup, you let them play with the 1s some at Sam Houston. 

Posted

even with all this....we were like one dropped pass by Wingo from tying OSU....and with the way our defense was playing, we had a chance to win.

 All I am saying is that it seems to me that we were closer to good 2 weeks ago than we are now....

Posted
On 9/13/2025 at 7:57 PM, immamac said:

Title, I think these are questions we should track. 

Delete poll, ban user option not showing up.

Posted

What in the world happened to Tyler Owens? I know he was a lower-rated recruit, but at the 2024 spring game he was fucking awesome as a true freshman...right after Manning put up his epic performance. I figured he would be a decent back up, but Sark felt it was necessary to get Caldwell so I guess he hasn't looked good.

Posted
54 minutes ago, oldhorn2 said:

even with all this....we were like one dropped pass by Wingo from tying OSU....and with the way our defense was playing, we had a chance to win.

 All I am saying is that it seems to me that we were closer to good 2 weeks ago than we are now....

Dropped pass you must be blind or stupid. That pass was way behind Wingo.

Posted
44 minutes ago, Pound Town said:

What in the world happened to Tyler Owens? I know he was a lower-rated recruit, but at the 2024 spring game he was fucking awesome as a true freshman...right after Manning put up his epic performance. I figured he would be a decent back up, but Sark felt it was necessary to get Caldwell so I guess he hasn't looked good.

Have wondered the same.  He had back surgery iirc - maybe not ready.

Posted
5 hours ago, TejasPedro said:

Has Sark tried speaking to Arch in his native tongue?

Sark to Arch;

Say love, Come see, where y’at?  Arch you need to call up ya Mama and dem, you heard me? Get your Oncle Peyton on da line. Put ya Go Cup down and get to work! You isn’t ever gonna hear Who Dat down da road playing like dis Cher!

 

Tell em about it Jojo. 
 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Pound Town said:

You can't do it yet. We have to be out of playoff and SEC contention before you do that. 

I do think that whomever is the backup, you let them play with the 1s some at Sam Houston. 

Why the hell not?  Saban had the stones to pull his QB in the national championship game.

If we're worried about recruiting elite QB talent, which is worse: 1) If you're a total failure we will keep trotting you out there to get destroyed and then mocked after your post-game presser until you crater the season and then transfer, or 2) We will give you every opportunity to grow and succeed and make the best of your talent - and we will always put the needs of the team over the individual.  Nothing is guaranteed at Texas including the QB spot and if you're an elite talent you should welcome that ability to come in and win the spot by outplaying the other 5*'s around you.

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