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The House needed an additional signature on a discharge petition to move forward with an obligation to release. The new Arizona rep provides that, and could have long ago but Mike Johnson sent the House home and refused to swear her in until the Senate voted on a budget resolution. 

Yeah, I get all of that, but for the 6 Democrat senators who voted to end the shutdown, was there a hidden agenda pertaining to the Epstein files, or was that merely coincidence?
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5 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:


Yeah, I get all of that, but for the 6 Democrat senators who voted to end the shutdown, was there a hidden agenda pertaining to the Epstein files, or was that merely coincidence?

Seems a little too timely to be coincidental. Caving for nothing when they knew it be wildly unpopular, and pawning it off on exactly the right number of congressmen not up for reelection leads me to believe that they knew something was coming this week.

But giving Democrats credit for any kind of next level planning is really difficult.

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The timing isn’t terrible in retrospect. The shutdown is over which allows the media to move on from that, to immediately be replaced by new Epstein information. Mike Johnson had to swear in Rep Grijalva and away we go.

Whether it was planned that way or not, we’ll probably never know.

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3 hours ago, wild_turkey said:


Yeah, I get all of that, but for the 6 Democrat senators who voted to end the shutdown, was there a hidden agenda pertaining to the Epstein files, or was that merely coincidence?

If by coincidence you mean their corporate lords in the transportation industry pulled their puppet strings and reminded them how much money they've bribed them with. Not just those ones that voted but the entire senate. 

Republicans dont have to worry about that because the corporate lords are afraid of trump. So they put all the pressure on democrats in the senate to cave and give them what they want. 

This country's system of government is broken beyond repair. It would take a full scale civil war and a complete scrap of the government and reinstalling a new government to even have a chance at staving off destruction now. Everyone in this thing is bought off. 

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34 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

So I assume all these dispensaries are fucked?

I think they've got a one year time horizon before the music stops? IDK though, there was not republican unity on this issue, I could see them doing a bill to go for some midterm votes

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On 9/26/2025 at 1:53 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

Shutdown-ready Trump expects Democrats to blink

It seems like everyone expects this to happen, and I agree. @Bateshorn I’m curious what the vibe is on the ground

I hate this game. As a matter of principle I don’t think the Government should ever shut down. The debt ceiling should be eliminated, for the simply reason that it has totally failed in its ostensible purpose and incentivizes playing chicken with people’s lives. 
 

a few points on the politics:

1) For the first time I can remember, there is *zero* reason for the minority party to help the majority with this. 

2) For once, I think the President’s usually excellent political instincts have failed him on two points:

First, If a prolonged shutdown happens, the GOP will wear it, and he’ll wear more of it than the Senate and House leadership. He has successfully convinced the public that he’s fully in control. He’ll actually take the blame here on the Republican side, and it will surprise him. 
Second, I don’t think the Democrats will cave this time. Of course it’s a lose-lose situation, but I *think* they have realized that the price of weakness is higher than the price of a shutdown, both long-term and short-term. 
The GOP will have to fix this themselves. 
 

3) Of course, there are any number of ways the Democrats could cock this up. This is the party of Elizabeth Warren, after all. But all they really need to do here is play possum because the public doesn’t seem to expect the Government to actually shut down, and if it does, and a couple weeks go by, there’s going to be considerable heat and GOP reps and senators are going to wind up with the hot potato when the president throws it in their direction if the Dems don’t fold.
 

Revisiting the original post for posterity

1) The Democrats didn’t help them, for 6 weeks. The longest shutdown in history. During that time they swept elections, their numbers went up, and they came back at the end with the Epstein bomb to take control of the news. I criticize Democrats nonstop,  but this was flawless weathermaking.

2) The GOP did wear it, and their president wore it more than either House or Senate Leadership, and it did seem to surprise him, and he did throw it in Congress lap when it didn’t go the way he wanted. Nothing they tried for 6 weeks worked. Now he’s rattled, the base is rattled, Thune is rattled, and everyone is mad at Mike Johnson.
And on top of all that, because the oversight Dems were apparently sitting on the Epstein emails for this moment, Trump was unable to take a victory lap at his signing ceremony ending the shutdown and had to run from questions.


3) The Democrats did find a way to cock this up, by setting the bar for success awkwardly high, but didn’t pay any price for it and are coming out in better shape than they went in. 
 

On 9/26/2025 at 2:26 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

As an aside, this board has a bad case of Democrat brain, a combination of internalized victimhood and a massive excess of fucks given. 
The only way Democrats and co-belligerents like me will get off the back foot is if we all stop worrying so much about our what they do and start making our own weather.

Correct. Despite coming out ahead, Democrat base voters are still convinced their leaders chickened out, because they did!  But honestly, that anger is a great outcome.

Democrats won the shutdown, QED:

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The irony of Republicans accusing Democrats of misusing the CR for ACA extensions. Then, pushing the final bill that includes an attempt to extort American taxpayers for 8 Republican senators at $1 million dollars and a reversal of a 2018 law on Hemp is too typical.

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Oh, boy. Watching the news last night and seeing Kristi Noem make a big deal about giving a TSA employee who had perfect attendance during the shutdown a “bonus” check of $10K.

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Appears it might’ve been a publicity stunt. Go figure.

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2 minutes ago, Underdog said:

In lieu of the $10k bonus check these atc workers with perfect attendance will instead receive a voucher for Jelly of the Month Club. 

To be fair, that’s the gift that keeps on giving the whole year.

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58 minutes ago, Underdog said:

In lieu of the $10k bonus check these atc workers with perfect attendance will instead receive a voucher for Jelly of the Month Club. 

I was talking to the TSA agents at the gate this morning. Most have been paid but some still haven’t. Evidently not everyone was loaded into the ACH file and didn’t get their back pay yet. 
 

Haply Thanksgiving!

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On 11/24/2025 at 10:45 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

I was talking to the TSA agents at the gate this morning. Most have been paid but some still haven’t. Evidently not everyone was loaded into the ACH file and didn’t get their back pay yet. 
 

Haply Thanksgiving!

Maybe they didn't get paid because of typos.

It happens.

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On 11/24/2025 at 5:11 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

BELOW EPSTEIN

 

This doesn’t quite mathematically align with trump’s 92% overall approval rating (AND GOING UP!) which came from a very highly placed source, so there must be a liberal bias in polling usa’s sample. 

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41 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Harry Enten putting odds on whether ACA subsidies are extended is pretty silly. 

Agreed that’s not his lane, but of interest, it seems there’s a discharge petition very close to the required number of votes in the house and the president has already signaled that they may need to extend the subsidies. 

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43 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Harry Enten putting odds on whether ACA subsidies are extended is pretty silly. 

Republicans have already publicly admitted that the healthcare thing is going to really hurt the Republican party. And there are a lot of people who are not aware of what's going on and what will be happening with costs/fees.

And they don't want to address healthcare because it's the right thing to do (if you are "pro-life") or because it saves all of us money in the long run and keeps our ERs free for, you know, actual emergencies, versus a shitload of uninsured showing up at the ER for the flu, they want to address it because they are afraid Democrats can use the horror stories against them next November.

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18 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Bookmark this for October of 2026 and 2028

This is just a snapshot in time- those are the dates that count and nobody is going to remember the shutdown either way. What will matter if whether Democrats take their feet off the gas, Kamala Harris visit to Tennessee would be an example of the kind of mistakes they have to avoid between now and 2026.

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I had to check if "Crapo" was derogatory.  Nope, someone actually became a Senator with that tag.  Good for you, Senator Crapo.  Now stop being so shitty. 

 Politico article on the Crapo bill.  I love how it makes sure that people who can't afford healthcare in the first place are herded into plans that will bankrupt them should shit happen. 

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New legislation from top Senate Republicans would create government-funded health savings accounts to replace enhanced Obamacare subsidies that expire after this year.

Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, the chair of the health committee, and Mike Crapo of Idaho, who leads the Finance panel, released their legislation on Monday. It aims to provide a sharp contrast to a Democratic proposal to extend enhanced subsidies for three years that’s up for a vote later this week. The Cassidy-Crapo bill also meets President Donald Trump’s demand to convert the subsidies into a direct payment to Americans.

 
 
 

“Instead of 100 percent of this money going to insurance companies, let’s give it to patients,” said Cassidy, who was a gastroenterologist before entering politics. “By giving them an account that they control, we give them the power.”

Majority Leader John Thune promised Democrats a vote on their bill when they agreed to vote for government-funding legislation last month, but he and other Republican leaders are leaning against offering a competing bill, POLITICO has reported. The Democrats’ bill does not have the 60 votes needed for passage.

Cassidy and Crapo along with other Republicans with different proposals are hoping to convince their leaders to reconsider.

Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Bernie Moreno of Ohio floated their own proposal to extend the subsidies for two years with a new income cap on eligibility. The enhanced subsidies, which Democrats created in a 2021 Covid relief law, offered subsidies to people earning more than four times the poverty level for the first time.

Democrats included an expiration date in order to save money, but now want to lift it. Extending the subsidies for 10 more years would cost $350 billion, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Subsidies will return to their original 2010 levels if the enhanced ones expire.

Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) has also proposed legislation on “Trump Freedom Accounts” which resemble an HSA but with several key differences. The accounts can be used to pay for plan premiums, which an HSA cannot.

Cassidy and Crapo’s legislation would give HSA funding to those earning less than 700 percent of the poverty level, $1,000 for people ages 18 to 49 and $1,500 for those 50 to 65.

However, to get the HSA an individual must purchase a bronze or catastrophic plan on an Obamacare exchange. The bronze plans offer lower premiums than other plan tiers but have higher out-of-pocket costs, such as deductibles and co-pays.

The average deductible for a bronze plan was roughly $7,000 last year, according to data from the nonpartisan health policy research organization KFF.

The legislation would expand eligibility for catastrophic plans, which currently are limited to people under 30, those who are otherwise not eligible for an Obamacare subsidy or who get a hardship exemption.

 

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14 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I had to check if "Crapo" was derogatory.  Nope, someone actually became a Senator with that tag.  Good for you, Senator Crapo.  Now stop being so shitty. 

 Politico article on the Crapo bill.  I love how it makes sure that people who can't afford healthcare in the first place are herded into plans that will bankrupt them should shit happen. 

 

His brother is a POS too.  

 



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