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I worked at UPS for a long time and know a lot of people, nobody in Louisville though. It's going around that the plane in question was pulled out of service last year and recently put back into service also that it supposedly had some sort of engine troubles the day before the flight.

Could be total bullshit. The attempts upthread to tie this accident to the government shutdown aren't the only ones politicizing this. UPS cut 48,000 jobs in the last year alone and have brought forward many other cost cutting measures that are extremely unpopular with the rank and file.

Just thinking from a logistical standpoint I know package volume has been running at almost half of covid high levels, so Im not sure why they would need to press a shoddy plane into service 

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29 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

out of service last year and recently put back into service also that it supposedly had some sort of engine troubles the day before the flight.

Earlier this evening Anderson Cooper had a guest on who reported and reiterated that its been confirmed with investigators on site there were no maintenance issues with the plane that day.  That stood out to me because there was comment in this thread about the plane having issues earlier that day.

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Earlier this evening Anderson Cooper had a guest on who reported and reiterated that its been confirmed with investigators on site there were no maintenance issues with the plane that day.  That stood out to me because there was comment in this thread about the plane having issues earlier that day.

Never believe anything you hear about a crash for at least 24 hours.

Seeing is another story.
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9 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:


Never believe anything you hear about a crash for at least 24 hours.

Seeing is another story.

Ironically this was yesterday evening so like exactly 24 hrs.  
 

As CS notes it could certainly be word twisting and of course always be skeptical.  I just thought it was worth sharing that.

 

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Ironically this was yesterday evening so like exactly 24 hrs.  
 
As CS notes it could certainly be word twisting and of course always be skeptical.  I just thought it was worth sharing that.
 

I get it. It’s human nature to speculate, and it wouldn’t be the Surl if we didn’t. Myself included.

I’m just saying speculation is all it is at the outset. Rarely do you get solid facts beyond “the plane crashed and the crew is dead.” That much we can see with our own eyes.
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On 11/5/2025 at 11:44 AM, Pato del Muerto said:

You sure that’s not a Kentucky processed raccoon franchise?

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Louisville Mayor Craig Greenberg said crews are working to identify 12 victims from the UPS cargo plane crash earlier this week while the search continues for nine others reported missing.

The bodies of the victims have been removed from the wreckage site by the Jefferson County Coroner's Office, and officials are working to positively identify each of the victims. The mayor said Thursday morning that crews have located six of 15 people reported missing after the crash, but the mangled wreckage in the area of the crash has made the search more difficult. 

 

As of 6 p.m. Thursday, 13 people had died from the crash.

https://www.wdrb.com/news/ntsb-releases-final-altitude-speed-of-ups-plane-that-crashed-leaving-louisvilles-airport/article_aa33fc78-18ef-420f-b781-e702b8be2957.html

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NTSB says based on video they have the pylon was still attached to wing after the engine came off.  That means it’s a different failure scenario than AA 191.  They've asked for maintenance records from ST Aviation in San Antonio where the airplane had its last heavy check (and therefore where the engines would have been removed).  They also said the takeoff roll was normal until 37 seconds into it when a persistent bell started going off on CVR.  The bell lasted for the remaining 25 seconds of the flight.  They did not say this but per Google an engine fire will trigger a warning bell.  On these older airplanes there is a fire loop which is essentially a metallic circuit that melts and breaks the circuit when there is a fire (and is the source of a lot of nuisance alarms.)  interesting to see from wreckage if the fire handle was pulled although it probably wouldn’t have mattered since there wasn’t enough airspeed to recover and the fire bottles would be on the runway

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Yeah I think I heard that wrong.  Now I think he said the pylon was attached to engine and came off with engine.  That is the AA 191 scenario.  The way he says it is confusing to me so I am not sure.

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Yeah I think I heard that wrong.  Now I think he said the pylon was attached to engine and came off with engine.  That is the AA 191 scenario.  The way he says it is confusing to me so I am not sure.

I understood it this way.
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Saw earlier that UPS world port processes 2 million packages a day and is 6% of GDP

Between that being shutdown and now grounding these planes that is going to be a major disruption in shipping/logistics

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Fucking hell.  Looks like complete engine/pylon separation happened FIRST.  That is, the engine didn't blow and have its disintegration cause structural failures - looks like the structural failure happened, causing the catastrophic damage on its own.

And yeah, they were already nose-up and almost airborne.....no possible time or way to abort takeoff.  Furk.

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Holy shit. 
 

Did the pylon separation rip open the fuel bladder in the wing and then ignite it?
 

wouldn’t one consider it an engineering flaw for one engine to be located behind the other two, making it more likely that a catastrophic engine failure from a wing engine would affect the tail engine?

 

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4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, looks just like AA 191.  

 

Yep, stressed pylon failure.

4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Holy shit. 
 

Did the pylon separation rip open the fuel bladder in the wing and then ignite it?
 

wouldn’t one consider it an engineering flaw for one engine to be located behind the other two, making it more likely that a catastrophic engine failure from a wing engine would affect the tail engine?

I mean, I also think that on a 4 engine bird, having two engines side-by-side creates a similar risk (truly catastrophic failure not confined to the engine housing can take out the other engine), so there's no perfect solution for a more-than-2-engine plane.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep, stressed pylon failure.

I mean, I also think that on a 4 engine bird, having two engines side-by-side creates a similar risk (truly catastrophic failure not confined to the engine housing can take out the other engine), so there's no perfect solution for a more-than-2-engine plane.

That's true, but no one has designed and built a tri-jet in a while.  It was all the rage in the 60s...just like tai-motors were a thing in the late 20s/early 30s.  

The economy of two engines has been well proven.  

 

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1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

That's true, but no one has designed and built a tri-jet in a while.  It was all the rage in the 60s...just like tai-motors were a thing in the late 20s/early 30s.  

The economy of two engines has been well proven.  

Yep.  Nobody is making a 4-engine bird anymore, are they?  There are still plenty of such planes in service, but no new ones, right?

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep.  Nobody is making a 4-engine bird anymore, are they?  There are still plenty of such planes in service, but no new ones, right?

A380? I see production stopped in 2021 so I guess not. 

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29 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Holy shit. 
 

Did the pylon separation rip open the fuel bladder in the wing and then ignite it?
 

wouldn’t one consider it an engineering flaw for one engine to be located behind the other two, making it more likely that a catastrophic engine failure from a wing engine would affect the tail engine?

 

I don’t think the engine failure being caused by the engine completely departing the airplane, or an un contained blade failure in the case of a 4 engine aircraft, and the subsequent collateral damage are considered when designing the aircraft to fly after losing a motor. 
 

It’s assumed that there’s a simple loss of power, and all the big pieces are still attached to the plane. 

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35 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, looks just like AA 191.  

 

Fun fact: this photograph I posted in the Shit Kids thread where the Doomlet illegibly wrote "SHIT" in the sand volleyball courts was taken more or less where AA 191 hit the ground. There's a memorial a couple hundred feet away. 

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Posted
37 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, looks just like AA 191.  

 

Different cause same results. But yeah. All the three fan trash cans are grounded now. 
This has been circulating too. 

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1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:

That's true, but no one has designed and built a tri-jet in a while.  It was all the rage in the 60s...just like tai-motors were a thing in the late 20s/early 30s.  

The economy of two engines has been well proven.  

 

Dassault is still making 900s, it's an s-duct though. 

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1 hour ago, HiggyBaby said:

Different cause same results. But yeah. All the three fan trash cans are grounded now. 
This has been circulating too. 

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That seems...sub-optimal.

Really is gonna end up being a lot like AA 191, isn't it?  Maybe not caused by a maintenance procedure, but consistent pylon stress of some sort leading to failure, systemically.

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if that really IS a picture of the pylon... holy fking shit... how the HELL was that not noticed before.

 

I know from the disaster plane crash shows that products that are supposed to be under a lot of stress are supposed to be visually inspected, along with spraying a UV light sensitive solution that glows on hidden stress cracks. 

a crack that bad means no one has inspected that piece for a very very long time. 

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22 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

know from the disaster plane crash shows that products that are supposed to be under a lot of stress are supposed to be visually inspected,

Look, you don't get 27 seasons of "Air Disasters" if people are doing their jobs. Someone needs to look into whether or not the producers are paying off the maintenance guys. 

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14 minutes ago, Deej said:

Look, you don't get 27 seasons of "Air Disasters" if people are doing their jobs. Someone needs to look into whether or not the producers are paying off the maintenance guys. 

Just like the Jesus Candle and cheap stuffed animal industries are bankrolling drunk drivers, and the black cotton t-shirt cartel is secretly promoting heavy metal bands. 

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