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Since marrying a CPS caseworker my belief in humanity was shattered.  So many shitty parents out there.  That poor little girl.  Grandpa needs other consequences other than guilt.

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your damn right i think if a parent makes a honest mistake and leaves a child in the car, then yea nothing should come from it.  it's about intent and the level of negligence.  not everything is fucking black and white.  

do you have any kids?  if you don't then shut the fuck up.  if you do, ever make any mistakes with those kids?  you're a lying sumbitch of you said no.  you've never accidentally hurt the kid, dropped him while holding/juggling too many stuff, took your eye of your toddler and hear him screaming for falling or getting hurt, get in a argument with your wife that morning, running late, had a conference call in the car on your way to work and forget to drop off your child, hurried your ass into the office because you were late, etc?  life with kids, especially enfants and toddlers, can be fucking hectic.  accidents fucking happen.  sometimes there's no need to punish someone for an honest mistake.

re this situation, gramps could've accidentally placed the kid next to an open window thinking it was shut or there was a window.  or he could've been drunk.  who the fuck knows.  i would hope you have the intelligence to discern malice and neglect verse a pure accident.

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14 hours ago, HookEm said:

As an aside, everyone at the pool in that video posted above is fat af.

I’ve been on one cruise in my life. I have no desire to go on another unless it’s a gay one. 

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2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I’ve been on one cruise in my life. I have no desire to go on another unless it’s a gay one. 

this thread is about to go down a rabbit hole...

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5 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I’ve been on one cruise in my life. I have no desire to go on another unless it’s a gay one. 

Aren't they all gay?

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43 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Someone told me cruises are like being locked inside a Shoney's with drunks.

Me, I was thinking about going on half of one. Back when they were almost giving away tickets, my plan was to grab one in New Orleans, ride down to Progreso, then get off and never get back on, stay in Mexico as long as I felt like it, then get back to the US my own way, bus plane whatever. I called the cruise office and proposed my little scheme. There were lots of pauses in the conversation as they took it all in.

In Port A they have/had a gambling cruise. Goes out for 2-3 hours (open water) then heads back.

I got on a decent run at Black Jack and decided to close shop and self lubricate.

I couldn't drink fast enough. I basically ended up huddled in a bar corner. I am pretty sure I asked if I could just buy the bottle of Jameson more than a couple of times.

Never again.

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2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

So you believe all neglegent behavior resulting in death should be given a pass as an accident.

Wow!

That's a free pass for, "I didnt know the gun was loaded" or "I didn't think I was drunk" or "We didn't know these bombs were live" or "We didn't know the chemicals would kill them".

Wow. Seriously, what a fucking horrible take.

What would you do ? Put the grandfather in jail for what was apparently a completely regrettable accident ?  What purpose would that serve ?  I guess it would be a lesson to all the folks who dangle babies over railings.  You examples are broad, and not of the same category as this issue IMO.  

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26 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

What would you do ? Put the grandfather in jail for what was apparently a completely regrettable accident ?  What purpose would that serve ?  I guess it would be a lesson to all the folks who dangle babies over railings.  You examples are broad, and not of the same category as this issue IMO.  

Tell me where you want to draw the line between an "accident" and behavior that while never with any intent, ends in death.

Getting behind the wheel while drunk and running into someone on accident and killing them?

- That is basically what you are defending in this specific circumstance BTW. Grandpa was drunk and didn't mean to drop the child. 

Forgetting to feed your child?

Forgetting to feed your disabled parent or sibling?

Forgetting to feed a dog?

Not realizing a gun was loaded while you were cleaning it and your child was in the room?

Not being aware that driving 60 in a school zone is bad and not seeing a child?

I could go on all day with neglect or choices made that never intended any harm, and end in death.

So tell me where your line is and why drunk grandpa gets a pass and Chad driving home from the bar doesn't.

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On 7/10/2019 at 9:00 AM, MrBig said:

Initial reports said the grandfather lost his grip while holding the baby outside of the window. Then the family hired an attorney who said he placed the baby on a railing inside the ship to bang on the glass. 

 

On 7/10/2019 at 9:08 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

Yup. Careless grandpa dropped his granddaughter to her death. Now they're trying to cover for him. 

 

18 hours ago, MrBig said:

The family got a powerful cruise ship chasing lawyer who knows how to spin this in the family’s favor.

 

 

 

The first reports of this to hit the media came from the Puerto Rican Police.  They're basically owned by the cruise company.  

 

 

 

Edited by PRONG HORN

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21 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Tell me where you want to draw the line between an "accident" and behavior that while never with any intent, ends in death.

Getting behind the wheel while drunk and running into someone on accident and killing them?

- That is basically what you are defending in this specific circumstance BTW. Grandpa was drunk and didn't mean to drop the child. 

Forgetting to feed your child?

Forgetting to feed your disabled parent or sibling?

Forgetting to feed a dog?

Not realizing a gun was loaded while you were cleaning it and your child was in the room?

Not being aware that driving 60 in a school zone is bad and not seeing a child?

I could go on all day with neglect or choices made that never intended any harm, and end in death.

So tell me where your line is and why drunk grandpa gets a pass and Chad driving home from the bar doesn't.

I don't know, if he was drink or not and that would change things a bit, but there is certainly a line, and hopefully smarter people than I can draw it.  

Edited by Onboard 2.0

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16 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Tell me where you want to draw the line between an "accident" and behavior that while never with any intent, ends in death.

Getting behind the wheel while drunk and running into someone on accident and killing them?

- That is basically what you are defending in this specific circumstance BTW. Grandpa was drunk and didn't mean to drop the child. 

Forgetting to feed your child?

Forgetting to feed your disabled parent or sibling?

Forgetting to feed a dog?

Not realizing a gun was loaded while you were cleaning it and your child was in the room?

Not being aware that driving 60 in a school zone is bad and not seeing a child?

I could go on all day with neglect or choices made that never intended any harm, and end in death.

So tell me where your line is and why drunk grandpa gets a pass and Chad driving home from the bar doesn't.

and you know the gramps was drunk because?  there are two very different versions of the story.

if gramps was drunk, then throw the book at him.  but if the story about the window/no window is true, then you still want to throw the book at gramps because by god, an accident happened, the nearest adult must pay?

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6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I don't know, but there is certainly a line, and hopefully smarter people than I can draw it.

There is a line, it has been drawn. It is drawn by our criminal justice system and the courts.

You and crash are arguing about redrawing that line.

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Just now, BurntEyes said:

There is a line, it has been drawn. It is drawn by our criminal justice system and the courts.

You and crash are arguing about redrawing that line.

No I'm not. Whatever the local DA does is their right set out by the criminal code. They have the right to pursue it vigorously or allow it to pass based on the evidence they find.  Then it should be in the hands of a jury if they decide to prosecute.

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6 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

and you know the gramps was drunk because?  there are two very different versions of the story.

if gramps was drunk, then throw the book at him.  but if the story about the window/no window is true, then you still want to throw the book at gramps because by god, an accident happened, the nearest adult must pay?

Lulz, you're siding with the lawyers spin on what happened.

I'm siding on holding a child out a window is bad, drunk or sober.

The courts and a jury get to decide on what happens to Grandpa based on facts as presented in trial, not me.

 

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2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

No I'm not. Whatever the local DA does is their right set out by the criminal code. They have the right to pursue it vigorously or allow it to pass based on the evidence they find.  Then it should be in the hands of a jury if they decide to prosecute.

Then actually, we are in agreement.

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1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

Lulz, you're siding with the lawyers spin on what happened.

I'm siding on holding a child out a window is bad, drunk or sober.

The courts and a jury get to decide on what happens to Grandpa, not me.

 

and you are siding with a cruise ship industry who have repeated ignored due process and protected their self interest at all costs.  how many rapes and deaths have been un-resolved or un-punished on cruise ships because they were unhelpful as fuck?  buy yea, the family is automatically the liar here.

 

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Just now, crash_davis said:

and you are siding with a cruise ship industry who have repeated ignored due process and protected their self interest at all costs.  how many rapes and deaths have been un-resolved or un-punished on cruise ships because they were unhelpful as fuck?  buy yea, the family is automatically the liar here.

 

Lulz what?

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about. I fucking hate cruise ships, moose out front should have told you. Nice strawman though.

You keeping being you crash. 

We are done here.

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Just now, BurntEyes said:

Lulz what?

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about. I fucking hate cruise ships, moose out front should have told you. Nice strawman though.

You keeping being you crash. 

We are done here.

you're the dipshit blindly laying blame at the gramps siding with a corrupt as shit industry.  i have no idea what happened, but i know one side is probably not to be trusted.  i will go on being me practicing common sense while you defend assholes and take binary positions on shit that is way more complicated than yes or no.

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21 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Then actually, we are in agreement.

What we're in agreement about is that I will say the justice system is going to do what it does. What I believe is there are times when pursing a case against someone is not going to serve justice. This could be one of those times, but I also know people who leave kids in cars have served time when it was clearly accidental. 

So our agreement is the letter of the law, not the actual prosecution of the law.

 

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2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

What we're in agreement about is that I will say the justice system is going to do what it does. What I believe is there are times when pursing a case against someone is not going to serve justice. This could be one of those times, but I also know people who leave kids in cars have served time when it was clearly accidental. 

So our agreement is the letter of the law, not the actual prosecution of the law.

 

But you admitted up thread on this very page you're not smart enough to figure out where that line makes sense.

So.. again, we agree.

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First rate surly slap fight. I commend you all for your efforts. If I could buy each of you ladies an apple-tini, I would.

 

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The "Whyyyy prosecute the parents" argument is as dumb as the people wanting grandpa put immediately in jail.

Nothing is decided yet. Hell, nothing is known yet. Sometimes an accident is an accident and prosecution would be an unnecessary and cruel step to a grieving family member. Sometimes an accident is not an accident and is an act of such negligence that the law needs to step in. There's a reason, for example, we have a law in the Texas Penal Code specifically related to child neglect. You can't just decide now that it's mean to charge the caregiver. That's exactly what gets determined during this stage of the process. The determination to file charges or not will be based on facts and not based on what's fair to someone's psyche. Which is the way it should be.

 

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17 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

But you admitted up thread on this very page you're not smart enough to figure out where that line makes sense.

So.. again, we agree.

 Smart enough to see that you're being a dick

Edited by Onboard 2.0

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6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

 Smart enough to see that you're being a dick

Fair enough.

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19 minutes ago, Blotto said:

First rate surly slap fight. I commend you all for your efforts. If I could buy each of you ladies an apple-tini, I would.

 

That's sexist as fuck.

There are many women who enjoy whiskey and a ton who like beer.

You fucking mysoginistic asshole. 

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7 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I'm of the Bill Burr thought when it comes to cruises and reducing our population.

We really need to start scuttling cruise ships and then replace destroyed ships with an exact copy. 

Offer free trips via Facebook and other social media. One time for Trump supporters, next time from Trump haters.

Clear our CR problem right up and make this board and the world a much better place.

Edit - Florida, Ohio and Arkansas residents get free flights/transport to the port city.

 

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6 hours ago, El Diablo said:

Aren't they all gay?

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Maybe gramps just didn't like the little whippersnapper

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https://www.cruisecritic.com/photos/ships/freedom-of-the-seas-358/h2o-zone-123474/h2o-zone--v7421114/

If you click on this you can see a picture of the are where the kid was dropped out the window. I am assuming it was the wall of windows where you can see all the windows on the bottom row are closed , but some windows on the second row are open. For a kid to fall out the windows they would have to be raised by an adult. I don't think the ship should be liable. here re plenty of places on a ship you can drop a kid or  jump off if you want to. I don't believe the grandpa should be liable unless he carelessly held the kid out the window. If he just held the kid up to the window to look out, it is just an unfortunate tragedy.

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Btw, I think they probably leave windows open up there for the breeze and airflow. It gets hot.

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On 7/11/2019 at 12:52 PM, BearSchlong said:

Since marrying a CPS caseworker my belief in humanity was shattered.  So many shitty parents out there.  That poor little girl.  Grandpa needs other consequences other than guilt.

nm.

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On 7/11/2019 at 2:11 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

What would you do ? Put the grandfather in jail for what was apparently a completely regrettable accident ?  What purpose would that serve ?  I guess it would be a lesson to all the folks who dangle babies over railings.  You examples are broad, and not of the same category as this issue IMO.  

When a child dies of negligence or an unnecessary accident, I first land on the idea that someone needs to be punished.  The purpose is that we punish people who kill others.  Will it make the tragedy worse for the family? Probably but life isn’t fair for those that let this happen. 

And I understand the idea that the grandfather might be punishing himself more than a jail sentence but so what. I think remorse is fine for determining sentencing or parole but not guilt.

however I’m open to hearing the details of the story before landing on a final opinion.

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Gotdamn.  This is the second recent thread on here where not everyone is demanding the death penalty for a tragic, senseless, but ultimately unintended death.

And there's discussion of the nuances of punishment and culpability.

What in the sam hill is going on here?

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On 7/12/2019 at 2:14 AM, po elvis said:

Btw, I think they probably leave windows open up there for the breeze and airflow. It gets hot.

Yeah, that video that shows people sitting in lawn chairs in that hallway just looks miserable.

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On 7/11/2019 at 3:07 PM, crash_davis said:

and you know the gramps was drunk because?  there are two very different versions of the story.

if gramps was drunk, then throw the book at him.  but if the story about the window/no window is true, then you still want to throw the book at gramps because by god, an accident happened, the nearest adult must pay?

r e c i d i v i s t

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31 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Gotdamn.  This is the second recent thread on here where not everyone is demanding the death penalty for a tragic, senseless, but ultimately unintended death.

And there's discussion of the nuances of punishment and culpability.

What in the sam hill is going on here?

That was reserved for the ice cream licker thread.  More along the lines of Game of Thornes type of death too.   

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34 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Gotdamn.  This is the second recent thread on here where not everyone is demanding the death penalty for a tragic, senseless, but ultimately unintended death.

And there's discussion of the nuances of punishment and culpability.

What in the sam hill is going on here?

I know right ?  What happened to the usual, expected, gratuitous insanity ?

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I’m still paranoid about accidentally tossing my kiddos over the railing from the second story when I’m carrying them upstairs. They’re 2 and 5. That situation at the cruise ship is awful, why hold a baby up there?

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1 minute ago, Homercles said:

I’m still paranoid about accidentally tossing my kiddos over the railing from the second story when I’m carrying them upstairs. They’re 2 and 5. That situation at the cruise ship is awful, why hold a baby up there?

Brah, ya gotta let the little darlins' skin their knees on their own...

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Brah, ya gotta let the little darlins' skin their knees on their own...

 

Then you can come over and coax my 2yo girl upstairs right before bedtime.

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2 hours ago, Homercles said:

I’m still paranoid about accidentally tossing my kiddos over the railing from the second story when I’m carrying them upstairs. They’re 2 and 5. That situation at the cruise ship is awful, why hold a baby up there?

Because she wanted to bang on the glass like she does at her brother’s hockey games. And they even had a picture of her doing so ready to go when the lawyer was speaking to the media. 

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Yeah, that is a pretty specific EXPLANATION that probably works to help assuage Gramps' image in the media, but bizarre to immediately go to that as an EXCUSE with your lawyer vs Carnival.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Homercles said:

 

Then you can come over and coax my 2yo girl upstairs right before bedtime.

When I show up downstairs in the clown suit, they'll fly up those stairs with uncommon speed.

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