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I once saw him talking at a woman and her daughter of about 8 or 10 years old while he was hanging brain. Real classy. 

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2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 Texas pre-game tailgating with more interest in the partying than the team. 

To be fair, since 2010, if your tailgate isn't more fun than the product on the field... Your tailgate sucks.

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For me the sweetspot size for a city is 500-700k.  Big enough to have many amenities, but not too big for tons of high rises, interminable Traffic, and corporatization.

 

That inflection point hit Austin sometime around 2000.

 

While the other answers aren't wrong (=perpetual get off my lawn cycle), the Austin I heard about before I arrived was what attracted me, and that character has since been lost, independent of my being there

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41 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

To be fair, since 2010, if your tailgate isn't more fun than the product on the field... Your tailgate sucks.

Hey, farting in the bathtub and making a poor man's jacuzzi has often times been more fun than Texas football lately.

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2 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

I’d argue austin is better than ever. Been here since 1990. You’re either growing or stagnant/dying. I much prefer the former. Sure we’ve lost some music venues but we’ve gained many others. We’ve lost restaurants and gained 100x more and a lot more variety. My only real regrets are the traffic and that we’re past the point of mom and pop restaurants being able to make a go of it in a brick and mortar. At least there’s the trailer option I guess.

Austin is great now if you have money. 

At some point roughly starting around the late aughts, it became really difficult for people who were lower-middle-class and below to live comfortably in Austin and enjoy what Austin has to offer. When that happened a lot of original Austinites left or got pushed out. Now the city-center, while still a lot of fun in some ways, is full of new-money tech kids and coastal hipsters. It doesn't feel like the Austin I grew up in. But the "beginning of the end" - when the impetus for the above happened, was probably around the Frost Tower build, so the OP is spot on.

As someone who has lived here my entire life I, like you, still enjoy Austin quite a bit. But it's not the same Austin it used to be and you have to be pretty well-off to enjoy it. 

The only part of Austin that still retains the "old Austin" vibe to some extent is deep south Austin (below Ben White). Downtown/Center City is tech kid/hipster central, north Austin fucking sucks dick, and East Austin is just the outgrowth of downtown slowly pushing what few minorities we have left out of the city. I guess West Austin is still full of yuppie assholes, so nothing there has changed.

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3 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Hey, farting in the bathtub and making a poor man's jacuzzi has often times been more fun than Texas football lately.

Didn't know you've been to one of my tailgates!

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2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Austin is great now if you have money. 

At some point roughly starting around the late aughts, it became really difficult for people who were lower-middle-class and below to live comfortably in Austin and enjoy what Austin has to offer. When that happened a lot of original Austinites left or got pushed out. Now the city-center, while still a lot of fun in some ways, is full of new-money tech kids and coastal hipsters. It doesn't feel like the Austin I grew up in. 

As someone who has lived here my entire life I, like you, still enjoy Austin quite a bit. But it's not the same Austin it used to be and you have to be pretty well-off to enjoy it. 

The only part of Austin that still retains the "old Austin" vibe to some extent is deep south Austin (below Ben White). Downtown/Center City is tech kid/hipster central, north Austin fucking sucks dick, and East Austin is just the outgrowth of downtown slowly pushing what few minorities we have left out of the city. I guess West Austin is still full of yuppie assholes, so nothing there has changed.

This is really true of most every major American city since the recession.

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3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

This is really true of most every major American city since the recession.

Also true, with a few exceptions. Though Austin and NYC are now the only two cities I've ever had a restaurant try to charge me $8 for a can of local beer.

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1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

Late 90’s when ‘keep Austin weird’ popped up 

The Keep Austin Weird tag line first came about as a rally cry to support local business in response to the City providing an incentives deal to a developer who wanted to build a shopping center anchored by a Borders bookstore at the corner of 6th and Lamar in the 2002-2003 timeframe.

The owners of Waterloo Records and Book People were justifiably upset about that proposal so they partnered with Robin Rather’s group Livable City to pay for a study that demonstrated independent businesses were better for the economy because profits stayed local. After that report came out, the City backed out of the agreement due to grassroots opposition.

That plot of land was the old car dealership where Whole Foods is now located.

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Once the swimming holes ceased being egalitarian, Austin died.

The David Allen Coe line, "Where Bikers Stare at Cowboys Who Are Laughing At The Hippies." Always reminded me going to a swimming hole in the summer. Usually there was an assortment of dirty bikers, red necks drinking Lone Star, old hippies, college students, normal folk and the random breeze of marijuana.

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45 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

slowly pushing what few minorities we have left out of the city.

Not with this bullshit again.  Austin is more diverse than it has ever been.  It is a freaking minority-majority city.  The Hispanic and Asian populations have skyrocketed.  The share of non- Hispanic Whites has dropped 20 percentage points in the last few decades.

And along with the White share, the Black share has also declined.  However, in absolute numbers there are more Black people living in Austin than ever before.

I could post a bunch of links, but I'm not going to bother.  I've done so before, and had negative responses because it doesn't fit in to the narrative certain people wish to believe.

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1 hour ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Coincidentally or not, around the time Circle C went in.

Of course I defer to Armybrat who is a much better authority on Austin during Pangea.

Oh bro, did you guys used to hang out at Pangea over in the Warehouse District about ten years ago?   My crew and I fucking owned that place back in the day.  Wall to wall hot Austin ass and bottle service.  Pangea was the lit spot.  Too bad Austin changed.  

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2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

When the Draught Horse changed its name. 

When they changed it to The Draught Horse? It was The Draught House for many years before that. Thankfully, it changed back.

 

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10 minutes ago, Deej said:

When they changed it to The Draught Horse? It was The Draught House for many years before that. Thankfully, it changed back.

 

Yeah. I am familiar with the history. They changed the name back ca 2000. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

Yeah. I am familiar with the history. They changed the name back ca 2000. 

And that was the beginning of the end. 

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Final nails in the coffin were Lala's changing hands and The Poodle Dog becoming The Aristocrat. 

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1 minute ago, Deej said:

And that was the beginning of the end. 

Precisely my point. Something about punching out the stained glass letters fucked with their juju. Don’t even get me started about the flat panels. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Precisely my point. Something about punching out the stained glass letters fucked with their juju. Don’t even get me started about the flat panels. 

It crushed my soul to see it changed to Horse. I grew up in that place.

Still have Dry Creek.

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Slightly on topic. In going from '96 to '18 w/o seeing Austin, I can't get over how closed in everything felt when returning to Memorial Stadium for a game.  

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1 hour ago, Somnio said:

Not with this bullshit again.  Austin is more diverse than it has ever been.  It is a freaking minority-majority city.  The Hispanic and Asian populations have skyrocketed.  The share of non- Hispanic Whites has dropped 20 percentage points in the last few decades.

And along with the White share, the Black share has also declined.  However, in absolute numbers there are more Black people living in Austin than ever before.

I could post a bunch of links, but I'm not going to bother.  I've done so before, and had negative responses because it doesn't fit in to the narrative certain people wish to believe.

CSB.. me & my cousin were in Austin some months ago to see a concert and we ate at the cedar door before a show. It was Friday night and pretty busy. He kind of looked around and said to me “bro we’re the only mexicans in here I think”. I looked around too and saw he was right. It wasn’t bad or wrong in anyway, but I’ve honestly never been in a place in Texas with that many people and been the only hispanic person. It was just a different experience. So I think it’s safe to say Austin sure “feels” like the whitest city in Texas. Again it’s not like that’s inherently wrong, but it’s definitely noticeable. 

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47 minutes ago, Deej said:

Final nails in the coffin were Lala's changing hands and The Poodle Dog becoming The Aristocrat. 

Tell me about the Poodle Dog Lounge history. I went there once while I was in school. Some Billy Gibbons looking dude missing his front teeth was with his girlfriend who was also missing her front teeth. He looked at me wearing a Polo button down and drawled, "Boy, you as ugly as a mudhen". I started laughing. He said, "Boy, did you hear me? I said you as ugly as a mudhen". By this time, I was almost on the floor. He then said, "You want to fight". And I said, "Naw, I'm good." "You want a beer?" Anyway, that was my one and only experience at the Poodle Dog.

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3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Tell me about the Poodle Dog Lounge history. I went there once while I was in school. Some Billy Gibbons looking dude missing his front teeth was with his girlfriend who was also missing his front teeth. He looked at me wearing a Polo button down and drawled, "Boy, you as ugly as a mudhen". I started laughing. He said, "Boy, did you hear me? I said you as ugly as a mudhen". By this time, I was almost on the floor. He then said, "You want to fight". And I said, "Naw, I'm good." "You want a beer?" Anyway, that was my one and only experience at the Poodle Dog.

That pretty much sums it up.

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1 hour ago, Somnio said:

Not with this bullshit again.  Austin is more diverse than it has ever been.  It is a freaking minority-majority city.  The Hispanic and Asian populations have skyrocketed.  The share of non- Hispanic Whites has dropped 20 percentage points in the last few decades.

And along with the White share, the Black share has also declined.  However, in absolute numbers there are more Black people living in Austin than ever before.

I could post a bunch of links, but I'm not going to bother.  I've done so before, and had negative responses because it doesn't fit in to the narrative certain people wish to believe.

 

Woah, settle down there cracker.

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3 minutes ago, Helobious said:

CSB.. me & my cousin were in Austin some months ago to see a concert and we ate at the cedar door before a show. It was Friday night and pretty busy. He kind of looked around and said to me “bro we’re the only mexicans in here I think”. I looked around too and saw he was right. It wasn’t bad or wrong in anyway, but I’ve honestly never been in a place in Texas with that many people and been the only hispanic person. It was just a different experience. So I think it’s safe to say Austin sure “feels” like the whitest city in Texas. Again it’s not like that’s inherently wrong, but it’s definitely noticeable. 

I have so many Spanish only speaking patients and my workers are mainly hispanic (although none currently speak Spanish). When we go out for lunch at Casita Guanajuato almost everyone is hispanic. I think you are going to Torchy's or El Dorado, not that anything is wrong with that.

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7 minutes ago, Helobious said:

CSB.. me & my cousin were in Austin some months ago to see a concert and we ate at the cedar door before a show. It was Friday night and pretty busy. He kind of looked around and said to me “bro we’re the only mexicans in here I think”. I looked around too and saw he was right. It wasn’t bad or wrong in anyway, but I’ve honestly never been in a place in Texas with that many people and been the only hispanic person. It was just a different experience. So I think it’s safe to say Austin sure “feels” like the whitest city in Texas. Again it’s not like that’s inherently wrong, but it’s definitely noticeable. 

Yeah I mean you can cite whatever demographics you want but really all you're doing is telling a story of two Austins. If you go to any of the tourism/hospitality/commerce areas of town, it's whiter than hell. I've been to almost every major city in the country and outside of SLC and Provo I've never seen a city more white than Austin in the "visible" areas. 

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And The Night Hawks, 2-J's, and when Matt's El Rancho moved from 1st Street.

And when Bob Cole became the voice of the Longhorns. 

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1 hour ago, Deej said:

Final nails in the coffin were Lala's changing hands and The Poodle Dog becoming The Aristocrat. 

Some of my colleagues liked to hang out there after school in the 1970s & 1980s.

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24 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Austin died when The Stallion closed.

Along with a lot of folks who had eaten there.

Miss that yaller gravy.

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The Poodle Dog sponsored my high school basketball team.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Deej said:

And The Night Hawks, 2-J's, and when Matt's El Rancho moved from 1st Street.

And when Bob Cole became the voice of the Longhorns. 

2-Js was high living.

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Also have fond memories of the ice cream shop in the place where julios is now. Use to walk down there with my grandma. 

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When being weird meant turning a profit.

Things would have changed regardless,  nothing last forever and blah blah blah. I live in a smaller town now and all the natives bitch how things have changed, just like I used to bitch about Austin changing. 

Think I might run for mayor or city council just to fuck with the natives. 

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14 minutes ago, Dewey said:

When being weird meant turning a profit.

Things would have changed regardless,  nothing last forever and blah blah blah. I live in a smaller town now and all the natives bitch how things have changed, just like I used to bitch about Austin changing. 

Think I might run for mayor or city council just to fuck with the natives. 

Yup, the only truth uncovered in this thread, is that people always bitch about everything.

 

 

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I was born and raised in Austin. Will be turning 33 pretty soon. I struggle to come up with a single even that marked the change but the completion of the Frost Tower seems like a good enough landmark. I also wouldn’t discount the 2005 national championship. Obviously it was an incredible event for the university and everyone who posts on this site but it also put a huge national spotlight on UT and Austin that probably accelerated the huge influx of immigration into the city. I agree with other posters that you can’t “pause” a city - it has to grow and evolve to survive. But the new Austin isn’t for me. I prefer to remember it for what it was in the 90s and 00s and build a life elsewhere (outside of 6-7 Saturdays in the fall).

Other places that I was sad to see go:

- Players on MLK

- Nau’s in west campus (and the destruction of every non-6-story apartment block complex)

- Pok E Joes on 5th (food wasn’t the best, but I still loved it)

- The original Alamo Drafthouse on S. Lamar

I could go on...

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i came down here in 1996, and i think that was around the time of the transition. i went to shows a liberty lunch and southpark meadows in college. when we won the big xii conference in 96, there was one hell of a party on the drag, with toilet paper, people on top of buses, and there was a bar on 24th that was like a ramshackle fireworks stand. i think it was called wheeler's. they served anyone and everyone that night. i remember watching the cops across the street somewhat warily, but they didn't seem to care, even when the frat boys tried to open the car doors of moving vehicles. a scene like that would NEVER be countenanced today.i think i would maybe, if i had to peg a single event, it was the mardi gras riot in 2001. that may have been the final nail.

ironically, that is exactly five years after i arrived. so @formermav43 was spot fucking on. but i really think it was during that time period from 96-01, when office space came out and the tech industry really blossomed in the 90s. that forced a major demographic change in the city, and it brought money to town. that money meant spending power, and that meant fewer nights out at the nighthawk, or whatever, and more at trulucks. it also meant densification downtown, and more demand for living space downtown. i thought the whole thing was a house of cards when the housing crisis hit, but then, that never really affected austin, because of how many people were moving here. additionally, previously, people came to school here and moved to dallas or houston or san antonio or somewhere else to make a living. suddenly, it was actually possible to stay in austin and get a real job. so, naturally, people did. i did. so really, it's my fault (and the generation of people who went to school from 96-00), as well as the maturation of sxsw, aclfest (started in 2002), and other big time events that brought people to austin and they liked it so much they wanted to move here.

austin became an actual destination, rather than a rinky dink backwater where stevie ray would play tiny clubs. instead, we suddenly had ben kweller and liz phair and rem paying a major outdoor festival on par with the best other fests on the globe. as a result, people came, and wanted to stay.

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2 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

I was born and raised in Austin. Will be turning 33 pretty soon.

So precious.

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All the bad shit happened in the late 90s, such as the closing of Captain Quackenbush’s Intergalactic Espresso and Dessert Company. There’s no way that Austin could recover from that.

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45 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Yup, the only truth uncovered in this thread, is that people always bitch about everything.

 

 

Particularly the people posting here.

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Just now, Auto Driller said:

I guess we can’t all be old turds lamenting the arrival of running water.

You've mistaken me for Army Brat.

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