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2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don

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Just now, Snake Diggity said:

Yep.  If Trump had just gotten out in front of his base and convinced them that quarantining and wearing masks were the patriotic thing to do, and immediately allocated the resources to test and trace everywhere, his approval rating would probably be almost 60%.  Dumbass was handed $6T in stimulus and can’t even convert that to Re-election.

yep.  shit, he could turn it around now but he'll never admit he was wrong so we're fucked until january at the earliest.

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This country would be better off if we had a moratorium on amplifying and elevating NY politicians for a few decades. 

 

 

 

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Just saw my first Biden attack ad by the trump campaign. 

Not sure if this was a national buy or what, but if you’re running attack ads—ATTACK ADS—against Biden in Texas? They know they are in trouble. 

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4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Just saw my first Biden attack ad by the trump campaign. 

Not sure if this was a national buy or what, but if you’re running attack ads—ATTACK ADS—against Biden in Texas? They know they are in trouble. 

Was it the one where they show a couple of clips of Biden stuttering? They guy with a known stuttering issue? Saw that yesterday. 

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5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Just saw my first Biden attack ad by the trump campaign. 

Not sure if this was a national buy or what, but if you’re running attack ads—ATTACK ADS—against Biden in Texas? They know they are in trouble. 

Was it a Trump ad or a group that supports Trump?

If it's a Trump campaign buy then yeah, it's significant.

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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Was it the one where they show a couple of clips of Biden stuttering? They guy with a known stuttering issue? Saw that yesterday. 

No, it was about China. 

3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Was it a Trump ad or a group that supports Trump?

If it's a Trump campaign buy then yeah, it's significant.

Specifically looked for that.  It was a trump buy, not a group. 

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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Was it the one where they show a couple of clips of Biden stuttering? They guy with a known stuttering issue? Saw that yesterday. 

They are seriously producing ads mocking someone for a stutter?  JFC, there is no bottom. They're not even pretending to have the barest minimum of human decency.

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Just now, Pancho said:

No, it was about China. 

Specifically looked for that.  It was a trump buy, not a group. 

But, but his internals....

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1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

They are seriously producing ads mocking someone for a stutter?  JFC, there is no bottom. They're not even pretending to have the barest minimum of human decency.

Oh the language is "he's too old" or something. 

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That's a bold move considering, no matter what you think of Trump, you could make a two hour clip movie of his myriad verbal fuckups just since he took office.  

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Just saw it too (Houston area).  Production value sucked and trying to paint Biden (via Obama) as responsible for jobs going to China?  That was under way during Clinton's administration and before. 

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Oh the language is "he's too old" or something. 

No words.  Hell, I had an uncle who struggled with a stutter his whole life (he recently died).  But when he was a kid growing up in the 50s, he was mocked for being "retarded," both for having a stutter and because he was dyslexic, before there was a real understanding of learning disabilities.  

Meanwhile, the so called president thinks shit like this is okay.   

The same giant snowflakes who accuse the left of being emotional, are going to great lengths to make everything personally offensive.

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1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

did y'all for get about this?

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Wow, I don't think I ever saw that.  They are such children.  We are being "led" by immature, selfish children.

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1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

did y'all for get about this?

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No.  I definitely remembered this.  But did trump actually comment on that?  My recollection was that SHS was pretty universally shot down for this. And now trump is reviving this crap.

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And actually this thread I just saw is the best summary of the 2020 GOP I've seen yet.

 

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1 hour ago, lemonlime said:

And actually this thread I just saw is the best summary of the 2020 GOP I've seen yet.

 

There's really a lot of truth to this.  I think the Lincoln Project has been devastatingly effective thus far.

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Burns is absolutely right, but that's a lot of words for basically saying the GOP's only mission is to "oWn ThE lIBzS!!!"

 

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1 hour ago, lemonlime said:

And actually this thread I just saw is the best summary of the 2020 GOP I've seen yet.

 

Exactly. I’ve been saying this for a long time about Trump specifically. His supporters are a cult of personality. If you want to erode his support, attack him personally and tie his name to failure.

But that’s only half the battle. You also have to drive support for the Dem candidate, and that requires generating hope and optimism. 

Having The Lincoln Project dudes to do the dirty work of attacking Trump while Biden runs a positive campaign focused on his own merits is the ideal situation. 

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8 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

$100,000 for a zoom meeting?

Yeah, but you get to ask the first question. 

You guys know I'm team Biden this cycle, and I think Pete has a really bright political future ahead of him and I'd like to be a part of it.

Having said that, paying money to listen to him speak with Hillary Clinton sounds about as fun as reordering my daughter's 128-marker Crayola set.  Which I did last night.  With great pride.  

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I wish there was a Super PAC I could donate to that guaranteed Hillary Clinton would go completely off the grid until after Election Day. 

 

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This is still possible.
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I'd say no it's not actually. There's no world where PA is more Democratic than VA or CO but Michigan stays with Trump.

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Zero chance of it happening, but if Trump announced he was dropping out of the race, and the GOP put up Marco Rubio as their candidate against Joe Biden, I think Rubio would win.
 
But there is no chance of that happening.
The Trump base would absolutely not go for that, and the GOP cannot win without them.

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I wonder what the Rubio/Romney/Pence/Haley vs Biden polling would look like compared to the dotard. 

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2 hours ago, Lobo said:

That's a bold move considering, no matter what you think of Trump, you could make a two hour clip movie of his myriad verbal fuckups just since he took office.  

There's often a fine line between bold and stupid.  We both know what side of that line team trump falls on...

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it would be tough for another GOP candidate to keep trump's base and also gain GOP never-trumpers that they'd need to win.  how do you distance yourself from trump without losing his base?

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2 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

did y'all for get about this?

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He should have said 'I don't make fun of people's disabilities.  That's why I've never called you a fat wonk-eyed troglodyte.' 

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fat/fat

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Fuck all this talk of him resigning and them running someone else.  This is a fucking test of our nation.  We need to soundly defeat him at the ballot box (suppression and cheating notwithstanding) and send him packing.  If we fail to do so, we will reap the consequences.

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3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

it would be tough for another GOP candidate to keep trump's base and also gain GOP never-trumpers that they'd need to win.  how do you distance yourself from trump without losing his base?

That's the poison pill problem for the GOP....which actually makes them an existential threat to the Republic.

There is no future for the GOP without being 100% in a the Trumpism loyalty test.  They cannot win without his base, and any criticism of Trump or anything he's ever done is an unforgivable sin that requires that you be cast out.  So, the GOP and Trumpism are one and the same.

But that is not sustainable long term (or maybe even short term).  Based on what it has become, the GOP is going to have a hard time winning national elections.  And they can't become something less loathsome, because that would hurt their electoral fortunes even worse.  So, what is their only path to victory/power?  Cheating, fraud, disenfranchisement, every fucking dirty thing you can think of, and more.  They are going to be openly anti-democratic process, and even worse behind the scenes. 

When it comes to the GOP, which is now the party of Trump, and only Trump, remember the two truisms: 1) it only gets worse, and 2) there is no bottom.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That's the poison pill problem for the GOP....which actually makes them an existential threat to the Republic.

There is no future for the GOP without being 100% in a the Trumpism loyalty test.  They cannot win without his base, and any criticism of Trump or anything he's ever done is an unforgivable sin that requires that you be cast out.  So, the GOP and Trumpism are one and the same.

But that is not sustainable long term (or maybe even short term).  Based on what it has become, the GOP is going to have a hard time winning national elections.  And they can't become something less loathsome, because that would hurt their electoral fortunes even worse.  So, what is their only path to victory/power?  Cheating, fraud, disenfranchisement, every fucking dirty thing you can think of, and more.  They are going to be openly anti-democratic process, and even worse behind the scenes. 

When it comes to the GOP, which is now the party of Trump, and only Trump, remember the two truisms: 1) it only gets worse, and 2) there is no bottom.

I think that's right.

If Trump drops out and they take Pence--and I think this late in the game, that's probably the only person who it could be--you're not going to see the Never-Trumpers come running back.  Pence has the Trump stain all over him.

But meanwhile, you lose a lot of those people who are in it for Trump and only for Trump.  I don't know how many people those are, but there are a lot in places like Arizona and Pennsylvania who just are in it for the outrageousness of it and fall back into the non-voting woodwork as soon as Trump is out of the picture.

That being said, without Trump as a motivator, how energized is the Democratic base to vote for Joe Biden?

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GOP running anyone other than Trump is about salvaging the down ballot races as much as anything. Note the comment above about Cornyn calling out Trump. They're nervous about Trump leading them to a wipeout in November and will bail on him to save their own asses.

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Given recent headlines, I'd like to see this happen: Trump loses in November, he flees to Russia the day of Biden's inauguration, Iran asks that six-party talks reconvene immediately with the offer of reinstating the old deal in exchange for the extradition of Dotard, the new deal is signed days later, Iran televises a ridiculous show trial which all the networks run during the day garnering tremendous (the best, you wouldn't believe how great) ratings, and, because I am merciful, he's sentenced to life in a 6x8 cell with no solid walls and a 24-hour live camera feed on a new website called rthedonald.yuge.

I'd settle for Biden winning, though.

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8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I think that's right.

If Trump drops out and they take Pence--and I think this late in the game, that's probably the only person who it could be--you're not going to see the Never-Trumpers come running back.  Pence has the Trump stain all over him.

But meanwhile, you lose a lot of those people who are in it for Trump and only for Trump.  I don't know how many people those are, but there are a lot in places like Arizona and Pennsylvania who just are in it for the outrageousness of it and fall back into the non-voting woodwork as soon as Trump is out of the picture.

That being said, without Trump as a motivator, how energized is the Democratic base to vote for Joe Biden?

i think the known knowns (/rummy/) are that there are a half dozen R senators in real jeopardy.  there are known unknowns which is what the whipsaw reaction to no trump would be to the rest of them.  there could be some party revolt.  I think the Rs are just going to say, sorry mcsally et al., we can't jeopardize it getting any worse by doing something radical.  you're toast and that's the sad fact of it.

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On 6/28/2020 at 3:07 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Has that EVER HAPPENED? Voter turnout in m 2016% was an all time low at like 50%. But 95%? 
 

I think voting should be mandatory. Don’t vote? Driver’s Live we revoked. Tax Penalty engaged. Fucking something. 

Add a “none of the above” option and I’m in. 

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That's just it.  IF you don't like the Presidential candidates, write somebody in.  But show up and get engaged on your county commissioners, city council members, school board members, local judges, etc.  Something.  Take a fucking stand on something.  In larger elections (I guess in Texas they're really mid-term cycles due to our calendar, 2018 & 2022, etc.)...make people vote in at least one race.  You can leave the rest of the shit blank, but vote in something.  I don't understand how people can be part of a community for years and not know one person that runs for something one time.  Even if you're in some disenfranchised area...you're gonna at least know one of the candidates for your city council district or local courts. 

tl;dr, I don't know Trump and I hope he dies.  

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1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

Exactly. I’ve been saying this for a long time about Trump specifically. His supporters are a cult of personality. If you want to erode his support, attack him personally and tie his name to failure.

But that’s only half the battle. You also have to drive support for the Dem candidate, and that requires generating hope and optimism. 

Having The Lincoln Project dudes to do the dirty work of attacking Trump while Biden runs a positive campaign focused on his own merits is the ideal situation. 

Bunker bitch is honestly the most effective attack against Trump with his base.  All his horrible policies, scientific facts about Covid and how he’s mishandled it, collusion with Russia, shaming them about his blatant racism or stupidity - none of that moves the needle.  Making him look like a pussy or a loser works, though.  

All he is to them is their champion to fight against the libs.  Once he looks weak or loses, he loses all value to them.

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2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Bunker bitch is honestly the most effective attack against Trump with his base.  All his horrible policies, scientific facts about Covid and how he’s mishandled it, shaming them about his blatant racism or stupidity- none of that moves the needle.  Making him look like a pussy or a loser works, though.  All he is to them is their champion to fight against the libs.  Once he looks weak or loses, he loses all value to them.


That and the Russian bounty thing. The Democrats should be absolutely hammering on that but as is tradition they'll lose focus and wander off to some other stupid thing.

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I wish there was a Super PAC I could donate to that guaranteed Hillary Clinton would go completely off the grid until after Election Day. 

 

Friends of Vince Foster PAC?

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2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:


That and the Russian bounty thing. The Democrats should be absolutely hammering on that but as is tradition they'll lose focus and wander off to some other stupid thing.

Agreed.  His base doesn’t care about colluding with Putin to beat the Democrats or trying to extort Ukraine to smear Biden - if anything they support those actions.  But if the focus is more on Trump being such a weakling he lets Putin kill our soldiers because he’s not man enough to stand up to daddy, that would leave a mark.

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8 minutes ago, BradInATX said:


That and the Russian bounty thing. The Democrats should be absolutely hammering on that but as is tradition they'll lose focus and wander off to some other stupid thing.

They didn't lose focus on the Ukraine bribe.  I don't think they'll lose focus on this.  There are going to be congressional hearings, and it's going to get ugly.

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