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18 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Even as an attorney, I’m impressed by your pedantry. There’s no clear cut definition of coaching tree, but Charlie was a DC under Urban for 5 years and it was his success under Urban (including having a top 6 defense 3 times in 4 years that led to him being a HC. That’s pretty different from Harsin coaching for two years under Mack and then realizing it was a sinking ship and taking whatever job he could find to leave. 

Well, I'm trying to put together an Urban staff for Halloween. Originally I was thinking Strong as DE coach with Hurtt as DT coach. Now I am leaning Hurtt as DT coach and Tosh Lupoi as DE coach. Strong as LB coach and assistant DC. Valai at cornerback coach. Ash as DC.

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5 hours ago, Halohal said:

Herman Munster > PeeWee Herman > Tom herman

Herman Lowry. No one you know. Just a dick head I worked with years ago.

edited to add: Last name is made up to protect the innocent.

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43 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:


Not everyone is cut out to be the lead dog. Those guys are successful under Urban because he holds them accountable.

Right but some of those guys weren’t even very successful as coordinators under other HCs, which is the point regarding who Meyer chooses to hire as coordinators if he comes here. 

Take Herman as an example. His offenses at Iowa State weren’t very good. He ranked 64th, 94th, 80th. That’s not very good even for ISU. Then Herman goes to tOSU and has offenses ranked 16th, 2nd, 2nd and he’s billed as the next great offensive coach. Yet, his UH offenses weren’t blowing everyone away either. He had the 41st and 56th ranked offenses in his two years there. Then he gets to Texas and has offenses ranked 81st, 27th, 15th (and that 15th offense from last year had some clearly fatal flaws and never gave us a chance in games where we played good defenses).  So if you take out his Ohio State numbers, he’s not exactly blowing anyone away with his offenses, and it’s clear that those three years under Urban are what made his career.

You can do the same exercise for a lot of guys who were coordinators under Meyer, and it becomes pretty clear that Urban has made the careers of a lot of coordinators who weren’t elite on their own. There are definitely some guys who probably would’ve been successful regardless, like Mullen, but it goes to show that Meyer doesn’t have to hire elite coordinators in order to have extremely good offenses and defenses.  

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1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

I mean if Urbs wasn't available and you were looking at a grab bag of Fleck, Franklin, and Fatterson no way you'd see this level of urgency. 

Yeah I hope you're right, and I hope it's really happening like we all think/hope it is.  And I think there are maybe signs that you are right. But 'level of urgency' from whom? I mean ... I hope it exists with the people who matter, and I think the silence from those people might just be deafening.  In a good way. But who knows? We'll see ... hopefully soon.

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Right but some of those guys weren’t even very successful as coordinators under other HCs, which is the point regarding who Meyer chooses to hire as coordinators if he comes here. 
Take Herman as an example. His offenses at Iowa State weren’t very good. He ranked 64th, 94th, 80th. That’s not very good even for ISU. Then Herman goes to tOSU and has offenses ranked 16th, 2nd, 2nd and he’s billed as the next great offensive coach. Yet, his UH offenses weren’t blowing everyone away either. He had the 41st and 56th ranked offenses in his two years there. Then he gets to Texas and has offenses ranked 81st, 27th, 15th (and that 15th offense from last year had some clearly fatal flaws and never gave us a chance in games where we played good defenses).  So if you take out his Ohio State numbers, he’s not exactly blowing anyone away with his offenses, and it’s clear that those three years under Urban are what made his career.
You can do the same exercise for a lot of guys who were coordinators under Meyer, and it becomes pretty clear that Urban has made the careers of a lot of coordinators who weren’t elite on their own. There are definitely some guys who probably would’ve been successful regardless, like Mullen, but it goes to show that Meyer doesn’t have to hire elite coordinators in order to have extremely good offenses and defenses.  

The one concern about Urban offensively is that he doesn’t come from the air raid tree variants, and it’s looking more and more like a superior offensive scheme right now. OU is very difficult to stop, Mack is deploying it well at NC, even USC is seeing some improvement. If Urban ends up here I hope the guy is smart enough to understand how to evolve his offensive schemes to keep up with the Riley’s of the world.
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10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:


The one concern about Urban offensively is that he doesn’t come from the air raid tree variants, and it’s looking more and more like a superior offensive scheme right now. OU is very difficult to stop, Mack is deploying it well at NC, even USC is seeing some improvement. If Urban ends up here I hope the guy is smart enough to understand how to evolve his offensive schemes to keep up with the Riley’s of the world.

Yea and Urban had trouble with ou in their last meeting.

 

I like the Air Raid but Bama, LSU, and Clemson don't run the Air Raid.

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32 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:


The one concern about Urban offensively is that he doesn’t come from the air raid tree variants, and it’s looking more and more like a superior offensive scheme right now. OU is very difficult to stop, Mack is deploying it well at NC, even USC is seeing some improvement. If Urban ends up here I hope the guy is smart enough to understand how to evolve his offensive schemes to keep up with the Riley’s of the world.

In Urban's last Ohio State offense, his quarterback threw for 4800 yards and 50 TDs.

His on-field coaching issues at Ohio State were due to nepotism-- retaining Zach Smith and Bill Davis-- and an almost insane level of trust and loyalty to guys whose units weren't producing (Tim Beck/Ed Warinner, Greg Schiano/Alex Grinch). Really, some of those Ohio State teams that won all but one or two games and spent all year in the Top Ten still had Greg Davis-level WTF problems-- like why the 2015 team struggled to move the ball/put points on the board, or why the 2018 team probably gave up more 70+ yd TDs in one year than in the rest of program history combined (I don't know if that's actually true, and don't really care-- it seemed like it). 

The main difference between Meyer's Ohio State and Greg Davis-era Texas is that Ohio State won 90% of its games and didn't get shit-stomped by its arch-rival on an annual basis. 

I have no qualms about hiring Meyer here but his tendency towards staff blind spots is a concern, something to keep an eye on. 

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35 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:


The one concern about Urban offensively is that he doesn’t come from the air raid tree variants, and it’s looking more and more like a superior offensive scheme right now. OU is very difficult to stop, Mack is deploying it well at NC, even USC is seeing some improvement. If Urban ends up here I hope the guy is smart enough to understand how to evolve his offensive schemes to keep up with the Riley’s of the world.

I think you can argue that since Ryan Day got to Ohio State, they're at least as much of an air raid offense as OU. I recall them shredding Michigan with mesh concepts recently. In my opinion, the biggest difference between the offenses is the OU running game, though not so much this year because they suck.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/12/5/18125491/ryan-day-ohio-state-head-coach-offense

 

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43 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yea and Urban had trouble with ou in their last meeting.

 

I like the Air Raid but Bama, LSU, and Clemson don't run the Air Raid.

that's why I said Air Raid variants, which mix spread and air raid concepts. THis is an interesting article on Clemson. It's from 2018 and covers Morris, so not sure how much their offense changed in the last two years.

https://matchquarters.com/2018/12/01/the-morris-clemson-offensive-system/

 

and another article on Urban's spread vs Leach's spread.

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2016/5/6/11606684/the-4-main-schools-of-spread-offense-smashmouth-option-air-raid-pro-style

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

both blOU or tcu would go before TEXAS if they have only two losses

Might want to revisit that line of logic, chief.

One of them will have at least 3 losses. The only teams that could finish with less than 2 losses including a loss to Texas are K State and ISU. OU and TCU have tiebreaker but they are playing each other this weekend and both already have 2 conference losses. So only one - not both - could keep Texas out assuming Texas runs the table. Iowa State and KSU haven't played yet so same with them. Only one would be able to keep Texas out assuming Texas beats both. 

(Couple minor errors above but fuck me I'm not typing all of this shit out to a further degree when I already outlined the only two scenarios where Texas doesn't make it if we win out)

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7 hours ago, Thiefery said:

listened to @OnAComputer carry water for Tom on his podcast this morning.. But luckily his bu guest called it like he seen it.  Tom hasn't shown he can win with his own kids.

 

 

I was just saying, I am 1.) in denial 2.) not done with the season 3.) empathize with some of the fact that some things were out of his control this year like trying to install an entirely new defense and a new offense getting derailed by covid.

However, I thought I also had some scathing remarks in there as well, like his inability to win with his players, his inflexibility, his team's lack of discipline, and (I thought about another one while driving today) his inability to make half time adjustments.

All that said, I'm just not ready to give up yet. I'm clinging to whatever hope is out there.

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4 minutes ago, OnAComputer said:

I was just saying, I am 1.) in denial 2.) not done with the season 3.) empathize with some of the fact that some things were out of his control this year

However, I thought I also had some scathing remarks in there as well.

I'm just not ready to give up yet.

You got better as the pod went on, ill chalk it up to denial for now. The start was definitely pro herman, I think the rational part of your brain caught on by the end. Especially when you were talking about ALL the mental mistakes and him coaching his guys

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4 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Christ. 

This argument would make some sense if the 2020 team wasn't screwing up in the exact same ways as the 2019 team. Or the 2018 team. Or the 2017 team. 

Too many penalties. Terrible special teams play. Turtling tendencies. Bad strategic decision-making. These are not unique to 2020. These are hallmarks of bad coaching. Period. 

Oh yeah. I brought this up in the show as well. I wasn't carrying water. Just a solo cup of G2 vodka.

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2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

You got better as the pod went on, ill chalk it up to denial for now. The start was definitely pro herman, I think the rational part of your brain caught on by the end. Especially when you were talking about ALL the mental mistakes and him coaching his guys

I split the show into potentially valid reason for the rough start/to have hope still and inexcusable issues over 4 years.

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28 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

IT Humidor- Option#1 is Urban btw

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Tom Herman arrived with a national reputation for showing up in the big games. He’s done okay there, especially with a month of preparation. At this stage in his Texas tenure Baylor shouldn’t be a big game, but it’s the biggest one of his head coaching career.

We didn’t dive too deep on the team this week. What we did hear wasn’t great, or bad, or really surprising. Having covered this program, news from this week was sort of expected. You have frustrated coaches who know their jobs are on the line pressing hard, which in turn has the players pressing hard and making mistakes, and the beat goes on. They didn’t have the cleanest week of practice.

Wide receiver Jake Smith should be good to go, barring another last minute setback. If he plays they’ll look to get him going early with some easy targets. We should see more Tarik Black too.

Caden Sterns and Chris Brown practiced this week and should be available.

Keaontay Ingram is still RB1 but look for a bigger infusion of Bijan Robinson, especially if Roschon Johnson is still limited.

To begin the Q&A, I’ll state:

1. There’s no job opening at this point in time. Which means the subject is kind of touchy. If/when the job comes open, I’ll feel better about sharing more details.
2. I’ve said things remaining quiet is a good sign. Things are still quiet, but they weren’t all that quiet on my end. Steps have been taken that tell me Scenario #1 is a distinct possibility. That isn‘t to say it‘s a foregone conclusion or anything, but if back-channeling is footsie, there might be a hand on a thigh now.

Justin and Joe will copy and paste any relevant replies.

 

Say things go south with the Season and Urban ship sails for whatever reason. What Candidates do you see being targeted?

Purely guessing, Franklin and Campbell, but they’d probably make calls to bigger targets and get some declines first. Guys like Dabo and Kyle Shanahan that would have .01% chance of happening.

 

% of Sam coming back under the right coach or turn the page for Card or Jackson?

0.0%.

 

 

What decides Tom’s job - another loss or an agreement with UM?

Don’t know, but you don’t reassign Herman without a good plan in place.

 

There is no chance this team wins out lol. Next loss Herman is gone.

Agreed. Zero.

 

I watched TH's press conference on LHN. CDC says players are expected to stand for TEOT. TH says its a personal choice; he won't insist. Is it likely CDC has already told TH that he would be replaced and TH is "auditioning" for a new gig by being the "understanding coach" to another school? It seems his answer is NOT in alignment with CDC and TH is trying to come across as a players' coach to other schools interested in him.

Tom has no allies and the frustration is even deeper than what’s public and regarding a different topic. I’ll probably go into that in the coming weeks.

 

Is the topic something on or off the field?

Off.

 

Have y’all heard any pause from scenario 1 family?

I have heard the wife will have a say, but I also have a hard time believing it. Coaches’ wives know the deal. If she’s with him still, she’s with him forever.

 

I certainly don't want to paint you guys into a corner but can you provide a probability range for an in-season firing if we lose to OSU and one of Baylor or WVU (though I suspect if we lose to Baylor then we'll lose all three)?

I presume that the the only way we'd reassign him mid-year would be if we had the next guy locked down, is that fair?

I’m not providing a probability on it. I just don’t have anyone ruling out an in-season removal and have a few people expecting it.

Yeah, you don’t remove him without a plan in place.

So ideally,

1) Texas has a game similar to Tech/TCU/OU against either Baylor or Okie St.
2) Texas makes a mid-season change and cans Tom
3) Urban is hired in mid to late November and he only focuses on recruiting
4) The so-called transitional class becomes the 2021 and Urban reels in some gems.
5) This time next year we’re 5-0 or 6-0 with the makings of top three class in recruiting for 2022.

If you’re on board with Urban, this is how it should play out if UT can sign him.

I am so confused with these references to "Scenario #1, 2, 3" etc.

I’ve been writing about them a lot:

1. Urban
2. Tom somehow keeps his job
3. A real search

We didn’t hear anything about an O-line reshuffle. Only thing we heard OL related was Hand lost his cool numerous times. More than normal.

 

 

In your opinion, are there any prospects so interested in Texas that a wait-and-see protects them from the influence of other programs? If I am OU, A&M, etc. and I see a shared prospect waiting and seeing how Texas does, I am selling my program with a targeted full court press on the kid.

Programs are hammering Texas right now to key targets, as you would expect.

Here's one that could play big ... there is chatter (and I say chatter at this point for a reason to not say it's a guarantee) that the December early signing period may go away just this year and just have a February signing day/period. *IF* that happens, would be huge for Texas in the 2021 cycle. We shall see how it plays out. My bet is college coaches are split on it.

Herman's contract has set off language. Best case scenario is that we win out, and he either leaves and we waive the buyout, or we fire him and he agrees to a much lower buyout because he has another job ready. Hell, maybe USC will take him if they lose out on Urban. I can't root against the team even if it means Herman staying. Of course, the sting of a loss or ****ty season will definitely be less if we get Urban.

If/when it gets to that point, I’m expecting a negotiated number.

Assuming a coaching change takes place, what assistants you'd like to see remain on staff?

If it’s Urban, he has maintained an office at Ohio State. He’ll have a lot of insight on Yurcich. Yurcich won’t simply be graded by working with Herman. Ryan Day will have input. That’s good, because I was hoping he wouldn’t get an unfair shake.

If it’s Urban, he knows everything he needs to of Ash, but now gets to watch him in the Big 12. I think Ash and Valai have potential. I like Hutzler too.

If it’s Urban, he already knows Drayton, and Drayton has strong relationships with the two most important RB’s on the Texas radar: LJ Johnson and Jaydon Blue.

 

Meyer was the first coach to offer Ewers.

Indeed.

 

@Eric Nahlin I wanted to bring up again reassignment. What would that look like?

The same way it went for Augie Garrido, you make him a special assistant to whoever.

Then when the buyout drops, allow him to find more gainful employment.

 

Who will be Strength and Conditioning coach?

Probably not Yancy.

 

Joyner from SMU would be my choice as DL coach.

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If recruiting is on pause, we should just get on with it. Hopefully wheels are turning behind the scenes.

The whole Q&A is about wheels turning behind the scenes.

 

I hope Young Coach Boom stays.

Hutzler is my early leader from Herman’s new hires this offseason for No. 1.

Potentially great recruiter, doing well with current LBs, and good feedback from parents.

 

 

 

Thats all the pertinent shit so far, mostly from Nahlin but a lot from Gerry and Wells as well...seems like there is a lot more behind the scenes shit we arent hearing but a TON of hopeful UM talk

Good shit, yo. Repped.

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9 minutes ago, OnAComputer said:

Oh yeah. I brought this up in the show as well. I wasn't carrying water. Just a solo cup of G2 vodka.

Link to your podcast? 

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5 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

I want to know what the off the field issue is thats a bigger deal than Tom's sucking or the EOT.

Hitting the bottle again?  Thought I saw that intimated somewhere.

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7 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

I want to know what the off the field issue is thats a bigger deal than Tom's sucking or the EOT.

Insubordination or maybe just him and CDC hating each other 

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37 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

IT Humidor- Option#1 is Urban btw

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Tom Herman arrived with a national reputation for showing up in the big games. He’s done okay there, especially with a month of preparation. At this stage in his Texas tenure Baylor shouldn’t be a big game, but it’s the biggest one of his head coaching career.

We didn’t dive too deep on the team this week. What we did hear wasn’t great, or bad, or really surprising. Having covered this program, news from this week was sort of expected. You have frustrated coaches who know their jobs are on the line pressing hard, which in turn has the players pressing hard and making mistakes, and the beat goes on. They didn’t have the cleanest week of practice.

Wide receiver Jake Smith should be good to go, barring another last minute setback. If he plays they’ll look to get him going early with some easy targets. We should see more Tarik Black too.

Caden Sterns and Chris Brown practiced this week and should be available.

Keaontay Ingram is still RB1 but look for a bigger infusion of Bijan Robinson, especially if Roschon Johnson is still limited.

To begin the Q&A, I’ll state:

1. There’s no job opening at this point in time. Which means the subject is kind of touchy. If/when the job comes open, I’ll feel better about sharing more details.
2. I’ve said things remaining quiet is a good sign. Things are still quiet, but they weren’t all that quiet on my end. Steps have been taken that tell me Scenario #1 is a distinct possibility. That isn‘t to say it‘s a foregone conclusion or anything, but if back-channeling is footsie, there might be a hand on a thigh now.

Justin and Joe will copy and paste any relevant replies.

 

Say things go south with the Season and Urban ship sails for whatever reason. What Candidates do you see being targeted?

Purely guessing, Franklin and Campbell, but they’d probably make calls to bigger targets and get some declines first. Guys like Dabo and Kyle Shanahan that would have .01% chance of happening.

 

% of Sam coming back under the right coach or turn the page for Card or Jackson?

0.0%.

 

 

What decides Tom’s job - another loss or an agreement with UM?

Don’t know, but you don’t reassign Herman without a good plan in place.

 

There is no chance this team wins out lol. Next loss Herman is gone.

Agreed. Zero.

 

I watched TH's press conference on LHN. CDC says players are expected to stand for TEOT. TH says its a personal choice; he won't insist. Is it likely CDC has already told TH that he would be replaced and TH is "auditioning" for a new gig by being the "understanding coach" to another school? It seems his answer is NOT in alignment with CDC and TH is trying to come across as a players' coach to other schools interested in him.

Tom has no allies and the frustration is even deeper than what’s public and regarding a different topic. I’ll probably go into that in the coming weeks.

 

Is the topic something on or off the field?

Off.

 

Have y’all heard any pause from scenario 1 family?

I have heard the wife will have a say, but I also have a hard time believing it. Coaches’ wives know the deal. If she’s with him still, she’s with him forever.

 

I certainly don't want to paint you guys into a corner but can you provide a probability range for an in-season firing if we lose to OSU and one of Baylor or WVU (though I suspect if we lose to Baylor then we'll lose all three)?

I presume that the the only way we'd reassign him mid-year would be if we had the next guy locked down, is that fair?

I’m not providing a probability on it. I just don’t have anyone ruling out an in-season removal and have a few people expecting it.

Yeah, you don’t remove him without a plan in place.

So ideally,

1) Texas has a game similar to Tech/TCU/OU against either Baylor or Okie St.
2) Texas makes a mid-season change and cans Tom
3) Urban is hired in mid to late November and he only focuses on recruiting
4) The so-called transitional class becomes the 2021 and Urban reels in some gems.
5) This time next year we’re 5-0 or 6-0 with the makings of top three class in recruiting for 2022.

If you’re on board with Urban, this is how it should play out if UT can sign him.

I am so confused with these references to "Scenario #1, 2, 3" etc.

I’ve been writing about them a lot:

1. Urban
2. Tom somehow keeps his job
3. A real search

We didn’t hear anything about an O-line reshuffle. Only thing we heard OL related was Hand lost his cool numerous times. More than normal.

 

 

In your opinion, are there any prospects so interested in Texas that a wait-and-see protects them from the influence of other programs? If I am OU, A&M, etc. and I see a shared prospect waiting and seeing how Texas does, I am selling my program with a targeted full court press on the kid.

Programs are hammering Texas right now to key targets, as you would expect.

Here's one that could play big ... there is chatter (and I say chatter at this point for a reason to not say it's a guarantee) that the December early signing period may go away just this year and just have a February signing day/period. *IF* that happens, would be huge for Texas in the 2021 cycle. We shall see how it plays out. My bet is college coaches are split on it.

Herman's contract has set off language. Best case scenario is that we win out, and he either leaves and we waive the buyout, or we fire him and he agrees to a much lower buyout because he has another job ready. Hell, maybe USC will take him if they lose out on Urban. I can't root against the team even if it means Herman staying. Of course, the sting of a loss or ****ty season will definitely be less if we get Urban.

If/when it gets to that point, I’m expecting a negotiated number.

Assuming a coaching change takes place, what assistants you'd like to see remain on staff?

If it’s Urban, he has maintained an office at Ohio State. He’ll have a lot of insight on Yurcich. Yurcich won’t simply be graded by working with Herman. Ryan Day will have input. That’s good, because I was hoping he wouldn’t get an unfair shake.

If it’s Urban, he knows everything he needs to of Ash, but now gets to watch him in the Big 12. I think Ash and Valai have potential. I like Hutzler too.

If it’s Urban, he already knows Drayton, and Drayton has strong relationships with the two most important RB’s on the Texas radar: LJ Johnson and Jaydon Blue.

 

Meyer was the first coach to offer Ewers.

Indeed.

 

@Eric Nahlin I wanted to bring up again reassignment. What would that look like?

The same way it went for Augie Garrido, you make him a special assistant to whoever.

Then when the buyout drops, allow him to find more gainful employment.

 

Who will be Strength and Conditioning coach?

Probably not Yancy.

 

Joyner from SMU would be my choice as DL coach.

image.gif.f8fe9ce886b646ddac0fd9c17b44e0f1.gif

If recruiting is on pause, we should just get on with it. Hopefully wheels are turning behind the scenes.

The whole Q&A is about wheels turning behind the scenes.

 

I hope Young Coach Boom stays.

Hutzler is my early leader from Herman’s new hires this offseason for No. 1.

Potentially great recruiter, doing well with current LBs, and good feedback from parents.

 

 

 

Thats all the pertinent shit so far, mostly from Nahlin but a lot from Gerry and Wells as well...seems like there is a lot more behind the scenes shit we arent hearing but a TON of hopeful UM talk

So basically to translate: IT'S HAPPENING TO THE BUNKER!

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2 minutes ago, Darth Tron said:

Hitting the bottle again?  Thought I saw that intimated somewhere.

Yeah that was the first thing I thought of ... or maybe something related to that Zach Smith shit.

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4 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

So basically to translate: IT'S HAPPENING TO THE BUNKER!

All I know is I went from sad drinking to happy drinking after reading that...let’s see what Texas does tomorrow to reverse course

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7 minutes ago, Darth Tron said:

Hitting the bottle again?  Thought I saw that intimated somewhere.

Anyone start tracking the G2s in the cafeteria?

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1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

All I know is I went from sad drinking to happy drinking after reading that...let’s see what Texas does tomorrow to reverse course

the hand is about to go up the skirt and then shit's gunna get nasty

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2 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

the hand is about to go up the skirt and then shit's gunna get nasty

I'm getting a subtle Planes, Trains, and Automobiles vibe.

 

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4 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

So running the table and winning the conference is the consensus saving grace?  Is it possible for us to run the regular season table and still not reach the CC game?

If UT and OU both win out and either KSU or ISU win out except for losing to UT, then UT would finish tied for 2nd with at least OU.  If it's only a two way tie for 2nd then UT loses on the head to head tie breaker.  If it's a three way tie for 2nd with the loser of the KSU/ISU game then the permutations are a little difficult to figure out right now.   I doubt that UT wins out, but they could and still miss the CCG.

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Might want to revisit that line of logic, chief.
One of them will have at least 3 losses. The only teams that could finish with less than 2 losses including a loss to Texas are K State and ISU. OU and TCU have tiebreaker but they are playing each other this weekend and both already have 2 conference losses. So only one - not both - could keep Texas out assuming Texas runs the table. Iowa State and KSU haven't played yet so same with them. Only one would be able to keep Texas out assuming Texas beats both. 
(Couple minor errors above but fuck me I'm not typing all of this shit out to a further degree when I already outlined the only two scenarios where Texas doesn't make it if we win out)

Okie Lite could finish with less than 2 losses including a loss to us too. All 3 of OSU, KSU and ISU are undefeated so far in B12 play

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1 minute ago, Mason Ramsey said:


Okie Lite could finish with less than 2 losses including a loss to us too. All 3 of OSU, KSU and ISU are undefeated so far in B12 play

Yes but osu winning out removes both teams that have tiebreaker against us so it wouldn't matter.

(In this hypothetical that has zero chance of even happening in the first place)

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Yes but osu winning out removes both teams that have tiebreaker against us so it wouldn't matter.
(In this hypothetical that has zero chance of even happening in the first place)

Fair enough. I don’t see it happening at all.

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Some random IT poster posted this but I think its a decent list for potential staff

Spoiler

OC
Mike Yucich
Mark Helfrich
Phil Longo, UNC
Graham Harrell, USC
Joe Moorhead, Oregon
Kendall Briles, Arkansas
Scotty Walden, Southern Miss
Brian Johnson, Florida

DC
Chris Ash
Barry Odom, Arkansas
Zach Arnett, Miss St
DJ Durkin, Ole Miss
Marcus Freeman, Cinncinati
if fired... Will Muschamp, Jeremy Pruitt

RB
Stan Drayton
Ra'Shaad Samples, SMU
Louis Ayeri, Northwestern
Jabbar Juluke, Lafayette
Nathan Scheelhaase, Iowa State

WR
Andre Coleman
Samples
Darrin Chiaverini, Colorado
Tyson Carrier, Houston
Kenny Guiton, Colorado St
Kevin Cummings, San Jose St
Derek Dooley, NFL
Mike Groh, NFL
Malcolm Kelly, TCU

TE
Corey Dennis, Colorado St (Urban's son in law)
Use names from other lists. Major pre-req is being a plus, plus recruiter
Maybe a current HS coach

OL
Bill Bendenbaugh, ou
Jeff Grimes, BYU
Ed Warriner, Michigan
Brandon Jones, Houston
Harry Hiestand, retired
James Cregg, LSU
Chris Thomsen, Florida St

DL
Oscar Giles
Mark Hagen
Larry Johnson, OSU
Randall Joyner, SMU
Dustin Royston, Middle Tenn

LB
Coleman Hutzler
Antonio Pierce, ASU
Tommy Thigpen, UNC
Brian Niedermeyer, Tennessee
Glenn Schumann, Georgia
Craig Kuligowski, Toledo

DB
Jay Valai
Corey Raymond, LSU
Steve Clinkscale, Kentucky
Terrance Brown, Washington
Chris Hawkins, ASU

 

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4 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Some random IT poster posted this but I think its a decent list for potential staff

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OC
Mike Yucich
Mark Helfrich
Phil Longo, UNC
Graham Harrell, USC
Joe Moorhead, Oregon
Kendall Briles, Arkansas
Scotty Walden, Southern Miss
Brian Johnson, Florida

DC
Chris Ash
Barry Odom, Arkansas
Zach Arnett, Miss St
DJ Durkin, Ole Miss
Marcus Freeman, Cinncinati
if fired... Will Muschamp, Jeremy Pruitt

RB
Stan Drayton
Ra'Shaad Samples, SMU
Louis Ayeri, Northwestern
Jabbar Juluke, Lafayette
Nathan Scheelhaase, Iowa State

WR
Andre Coleman
Samples
Darrin Chiaverini, Colorado
Tyson Carrier, Houston
Kenny Guiton, Colorado St
Kevin Cummings, San Jose St
Derek Dooley, NFL
Mike Groh, NFL
Malcolm Kelly, TCU

TE
Corey Dennis, Colorado St (Urban's son in law)
Use names from other lists. Major pre-req is being a plus, plus recruiter
Maybe a current HS coach

OL
Bill Bendenbaugh, ou
Jeff Grimes, BYU
Ed Warriner, Michigan
Brandon Jones, Houston
Harry Hiestand, retired
James Cregg, LSU
Chris Thomsen, Florida St

DL
Oscar Giles
Mark Hagen
Larry Johnson, OSU
Randall Joyner, SMU
Dustin Royston, Middle Tenn

LB
Coleman Hutzler
Antonio Pierce, ASU
Tommy Thigpen, UNC
Brian Niedermeyer, Tennessee
Glenn Schumann, Georgia
Craig Kuligowski, Toledo

DB
Jay Valai
Corey Raymond, LSU
Steve Clinkscale, Kentucky
Terrance Brown, Washington
Chris Hawkins, ASU

 

There's pretty much only one current coach missing from that list. I really have to hand it to that random poster for a solid list.

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48 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

I want to know what the off the field issue is thats a bigger deal than Tom's sucking or the EOT.

When a subordinate basically extends a middle finger to his boss not once, but twice, in a press conference then I think that would qualify as fairly big off-the-field issue.

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Might want to revisit that line of logic, chief.

One of them will have at least 3 losses. The only teams that could finish with less than 2 losses including a loss to Texas are K State and ISU. OU and TCU have tiebreaker but they are playing each other this weekend and both already have 2 conference losses. So only one - not both - could keep Texas out assuming Texas runs the table. Iowa State and KSU haven't played yet so same with them. Only one would be able to keep Texas out assuming Texas beats both. 

 

 The question was:  " Is it possible for us to run the regular season table and still not reach the CC game?"

My point was that either tcu or blOU with 2 losses would get into B12 Championship Game before Texas... I assumed that at least one team from Isu/okSt/ksu group has no worse than 1 loss.

So yah... My logic was accurate there chief 😁

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

an article from 2016, two years before Dwayne Haskins obliterated all of Ohio State's single-season passing records

your concern is probably misplaced here

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3 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

 The question was:  " Is it possible for us to run the regular season table and still not reach the CC game?"

My point was that either tcu or blOU with 2 losses would get into B12 Championship Game before Texas... I assumed that at least one team from Isu/okSt/ksu group has no worse than 1 loss.

So yah... My logic was accurate there chief 😁

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There are 45 Big12 conference games, of which 14 have been played.  If you assume UT wins out (ha ha) that leaves 25 conference games with an undetermined outcome.  That is 33,554,432 different outcomes.  Maybe if I get bored this weekend I'll chart them all out and see out many of those outcomes leave UT out of the CCG.

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Whyyy do you assholes keep talking about running the table??? There’s zero chance of that happening. Not almost zero. ZERO. Haven’t y’all watched the games? They fucking suck. We have the dumbest team in the country. Zero chance of winning out.

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56 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

There are 45 Big12 conference games, of which 14 have been played.  If you assume UT wins out (ha ha) that leaves 25 conference games with an undetermined outcome.  That is 33,554,432 different outcomes.  Maybe if I get bored this weekend I'll chart them all out and see out many of those outcomes leave UT out of the CCG.

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58 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

There are 45 Big12 conference games, of which 14 have been played.  If you assume UT wins out (ha ha) that leaves 25 conference games with an undetermined outcome.  That is 33,554,432 different outcomes.  Maybe if I get bored this weekend I'll chart them all out and see out many of those outcomes leave UT out of the CCG.

Based on what you have already done there's a pretty good chance you will be bored this weekend. 

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