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https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2020/02/kirby-smart-stealing-scott-cochran-an-sec-act-of-war.html 

Kirby Smart stealing Scott Cochran an SEC act of war

Maximum damage.

If a rival coach wanted to mastermind a plot to cause the most disruption to Alabama’s football team, then hiring away strength and conditioning coach Scott Cochran during winter workouts would be the ultimate kill shot.  Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss flirted with Cochran earlier this offseason, but Georgia coach Kirby Smart succeeded in hiring him away on Monday. Arguably Alabama’s most important asset beyond Nick Saban himself and Alabama’s passionate boosters, Cochran is leaving the Crimson Tide to coach special teams for the Bulldogs.

Shots fired, and Saban’s storied Process has taken a direct hit. Hiring away Cochran right now, during the middle of Alabama’s winter strength and conditioning program, is nothing short of calculated corporate warfare.

Inside Alabama, it is being viewed as exactly that, an act of all out war. Cochran didn’t even address the team after the news broke. Just left.

Georgia plays at Alabama on Sept. 19, so that should be fun. The Bulldogs have dominated the SEC East since Smart’s arrival, but he has famously lost to his former boss in one championship game (national or SEC) after another. This was a big win for Kirby, though.

If Saban was the head and brain of The Process, then Cochran was the voice, the heart and the muscle. Make no mistake, this is SEC sabotage of the highest order by Smart even if Cochran was looking for a fresh start.

The timing is important.

This is the second week of Cochran’s four-weeks-long “fourth-quarter program,” which is Alabama’s most valuable month of the offseason for team building. Winter workouts are when teams are made in college football. Players suffer together and forge bonds. Accountability is taught and leaders emerge. It doesn’t happen during the season.

Cochran’s “fourth-quarter program” has produced an entire generation of professional football players for Alabama, and they all credit Cochran for breaking them down and building them up. Running back Josh Jacobs called Cochran the team’s “glue." Beyond that, Cochran was the person in the program who players relied upon when they had problems or concerns. He also had the seniority to address things with Saban on behalf of the players.

Saban has promoted one retread coach after another from analyst to assistant. He couldn’t give Cochran a chance?

What a strange way for Saban to lose his most loyal lieutenant. Cochran was the last coach from Saban’s original staff at Alabama in 2007.

In what played like damage control on Monday, Saban told ESPN that Cochran wanted to be an on-field coach at Alabama and Saban didn’t think he was ready. Maybe so, but this is a huge loss for Alabama, and there is no other way to spin that.

The SEC West is celebrating this bombshell news, and toasting Georgia’s coach for dropping it. It might seem like a small thing outside the South, the hiring away of a strength and conditioning coach, but this is the story of the offseason for Alabama, the biggest brand in the game.

Credit Smart for sensing a vulnerability at Alabama, a program he knows inside and out, and exploiting it. There is no offseason in the SEC, and the best are always recruiting.

Speaking of which, Cochran will now have the ability to recruit against Alabama. He wasn’t allowed to do that for the Crimson Tide, per NCAA rules, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t heavily marketed by the football team.

He was so popular in Alabama, Cochran even appeared in commercials for Regions Bank alongside Saban. The program’s catchphrase was “Built by Bama,” and Cochran was the foreman on the job site. He crafted team team culture, and enforced the discipline. He turned players into first-round picks in the weight room.

This isn’t the end of everything for Alabama by any means, but it is the end of an era. Cochran has been on every single one of Saban’s national championship staffs. With the loss of Burton Burns to the NFL earlier this winter, it makes you wonder how much Saban has left.

Alabama will find another excellent strength and conditioning coach, and it could be argued that losing offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian to Colorado earlier this week would have been far more devastating to Saban’s chances of winning the national title next season. This loss of Cochran is more about the long-term projection of Alabama football.

The fourth quarter for Saban is here. 

 

Twitter stuff...

 

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I got a text this afternoon when I got to work that Smart hired the guy. I thought it was just as S&C. Didn’t know it was for special teams.

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I'm surprised this isn't prompting more discussion around here. Lots of angles to this one. Smart poaching the longest tenured and most consistent member of Saban's staff; the unusual professional move from s&c coach to on field coach and what that means going forward for others in the field; how this fuels the Bama / Georgia rivalry; what this means in recruiting; what this means for Saban's short and long term outlook at Bama; etc. To me, this is one of the most interesting developments of this off season so far. 

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I posted this where it is being discussed on the recruiting board as well, but I'll paste it here. A few of us on this site have a few friends that are deep inside the machine at Bama:

Since I guess this is the thread where you hillbillies have chosen to discuss the Bama S&C coach, Cochran, leaving, I'll post an update here. I spoke with a good friend who is also very close to Cochran today. It's a big deal, all the way around. Anyone dismissing that is an uninformed idiot or spinning. It's also not a move because the guy is buddies with Kirby Smart. That's so reductive that it isn't even worth further addressing. 

Also, Swinney might get a call in a year or two when Saban is gone, but the assumption is that Cristobal would be the guy. I view Mario Cristobal as a barely functioning idiot on par with Tom Herman, so I'd celebrate that hire. It would be Kirby Smart 2.0. Maybe either guy figures out the strategic aspects of the game and they start winning titles, but right now both look like two dipshits that can and will cheat their asses off and then cross their fingers that they can simply out-talent everyone they play. 

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Texas is going to have to start playing the full game here pretty soon or it risks a long-term decline behind about 5-8 other programs, including potentially A&M. The NCAA has demonstrated a complete inability or willingness to police its members. Texas, Notre Dame, and Michigan are being backed into a pretty big corner.

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How much of Bama's success is tied to PEDs? I mean, can Bama just hire any idiot who hands out PEDs like candy and not skip a beat?

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How much of Bama's success is tied to PEDs? I mean, can Bama just hire any idiot who hands out PEDs like candy and not skip a beat?

It’s part of it and anyone that thinks otherwise is naive.

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Jeff Allen is the trainer, not Cochran. Cochran was S&C. That's where the "treatment" lies.

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What will Alabama look like without Scott Cochran?

By Zach Barnett -     February 27, 2020

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Credit: Matt Bush-USA TODAY Sports

A year ago, I dug into the archives to quantify the insane level of staff turnover Alabama had endured over the past few years. At that time, Nick Saban had cycled through four offensive coordinators in four seasons, four quarterbacks coaches in four seasons, four wide receivers coaches in four seasons, three defensive coordinators in three seasons and seven defensive backs coaches in seven seasons.

The Crimson Tide won two national titles over that span and recruited No. 1 classes annually, but that level of turnover had to be unsustainable, right? Right?

Turns out, Saban agreed. Alabama missed the College Football Playoff for the first time in the 6-year history of the system and dropped two regular season games for the first time since 2010, but Saban retained nearly his entire staff. Defensive line coach Brian Baker was demoted to an off-the-field role — he’s since left for the Indianapolis Colts — and Freddie Roach was hired back as his replacement. Other than that relatively minor move (the Tide is now on its fourth D-line coach in as many years), Saban kept the band together.

And then Monday happened.

Scott Cochran rocked the college football world when he walked away from his 13-year role as Alabama’s defensive line coach to become Georgia’s special teams coordinator.

Cochran was part of the reason Alabama sustained that game of musical chairs in the staff room. He was the coach who had day-to-day contact with the players, the guy who put Saban’s plan into action, the COO of Process, Inc.

With Cochran gone, the dean of Saban’s senior-level coaching staff is now Pete Golding, who’s spent all of 28 games in crimson and white.

Coach Hire Date Days on Staff
Pete Golding (DC/ILBs) Dec. 15, 2017 805
Jeff Banks (STC/TEs) Jan. 18, 2018 771
Karl Scott (CBs) Jan. 25, 2018 764
Kyle Flood (OL) Feb. 15, 2019 378
Charles Huff (AHC/RBs) Feb. 15, 2019 378
Charles Kelly (Co-DC/S) Feb. 15, 2019 378
Steve Sarkisian (OC/QBs) Feb. 15, 2019 378
Sal Sunseri (OLBs) Feb. 15, 2019 378
Holmon Wiggins (WRs) Feb. 15, 2019 378
Freddie Roach (DL) Feb. 6, 2020 22

The median hire date for Saban’s staff is Feb. 15, 2019 — 54 weeks ago. If the new strength coach was hired today, the average duration of Saban’s 11 most important assistants would be 386 days.

Now, the question I asked last year still applies: How much does this really matter?

And the truth is that’s really hard to answer, especially when trying to forecast the departure of one assistant coach into future wins and losses. Alabama worked in six new assistants last year and lost two games, but they also suffered abnormally bad injury luck. One of those two losses came via two pick-sixes thrown by their backup quarterback, and even then that game would’ve gone to overtime if their kicker hadn’t missed a final-minute chip shot.

So, again, how much does any of this really matter?

It’s not as if Cochran was Alabama’s only strength coach, and Saban’s been at Alabama so long that his lieutenants now have their own lieutenants, and any departed assistant can easily be replaced by someone else with Saban connections. On the current staff, Sarkisian, Sunseri and Roach are all in their second stints working under Saban, and Kelly coached previously under Saban disciples Jimbo Fisher and Jeremy Pruitt. In the strength world, Oregon’s Aaron Feld, Ole Miss’s Wilson Love, Louisiana-Lafayette’s Mark Hocke and South Carolina’s Jeff Dillman all have varying degrees of connections to Saban.

Thirteen years is a long time for one head coach to remain in one place, and it’s several lifetimes for a strength coach. There’s no doubt Cochran’s loss will be felt — especially the timing of his departure, right at the beginning of the Fourth Quarter program, when Cochran and his staff begin preparing the players’ bodies for the upcoming season. But, just as Rome wasn’t built in a day, it won’t fall in a day, and it damn sure wasn’t built on the back of the strength coach, no matter how good he was at the job.

Lest we forget, the most important piece of the puzzle is still in place: The Man himself. Actually, Saban isn’t just a piece of the puzzle, he is the puzzle.

Take, for example, this answer Saban gave to ESPN on a topic completely unrelated to Cochran, for a piece published Wednesday. Emphasis mine.

“…So instead of having 18 seniors, you’ve got eight. You really have a three-year program at a place like this. I’m not necessarily saying it’s going to hurt our program because we’ll do a hell of a job recruiting players leaving other places to come here. But is that good for college football?”

The Machine loses parts from time to time, but it replaces those parts and it keeps on chugging, right over the backs of the competition. The 2020 Alabama team that someone else will now train is comprised largely of recruiting classes ranked No. 5 (2018), No. 1 (2019) and No. 2 (2020).

Alabama has largely left the rest of college football in the dust, competing in a stratosphere comprised only of LSU, Georgia, Clemson and Ohio State. It’s possible we could look back at a hypothetical loss to one of those giants and pinpoint the blame on the exit of a single coach. But that single coach is probably Nick Saban.

https://footballscoop.com/news/what-will-alabama-look-like-without-scott-cochran-probably-like-the-same-old-bama/

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              💉... The Juice Will Continue... 💉 

 

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HaHaHaHa...

Alabama: Mike Stoops has decided not to accept a position on his brother’s staff; and will remain an analyst for Nick Saban at Alabama Jon Hale has shared.

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On 1/18/2019 at 7:26 AM, LTtxfan said:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/17/18187685/dan-enos-nick-saban-alabama   “Where the F#$% is Dan?!?”

"Several of the staffers knew the answer to their boss’ question. Word had already spread that 50-year-old Enos was headed to Miami to become offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach under Manny Diaz. No one in the room wanted to be the one to break that news to Saban, even though Miami was primed to announce it in a couple hours."

"One staffer scrambled to check if Enos was in his office. It was empty, save for a pencil on the desk. Maybe he’d already moved into Locksley’s old office, but that one was empty, too."

“He moved out like the Colts,” said one person with knowledge of the matter, equating Enos’ departure to the middle-of-the-night exit by the old Baltimore NFL franchise to Indianapolis.

"For his part, Saban will have to return to the coaching market and start swiping right. A good match is hard to find, but here’s to him finding the right fit for his personality."

 

HaHaHaHa... Where the Fuck is Dan??  😂 

Cincinnati: Dan Enos, who spent last season as the offensive coordinator at Miami and coached the quarterbacks at Alabama prior to that, has been hired to coach the running backs, Matt Zenitz tweets.

 

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Inside the process that led Scott Cochran to leave Alabama for Georgia

Updated 8:26 AM; Today 7:30 AM

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2020/03/inside-the-process-that-led-scott-cochran-to-leave-alabama-for-georgia.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=aldotcomSports_sf&utm_medium=social

 

In recent years, Cochran had become enamored with the idea of making the switch to being an on-field assistant, which started to look like more of a realistic possibility when he engaged in discussions with Lane Kiffin about Ole Miss’ special teams coordinator job in December.

Cochran had a strong relationship with Kiffin dating back to their shared Alabama days and liked the idea of starting his new career at an SEC school. If he was ever going to accomplish his goal of becoming a head coach, he knew he’d have to make the move out of the weight room and Ole Miss represented a perfect opportunity to do so. Why Cochran ultimately didn’t end up at Ole Miss is a hot topic in the coaching world with multiple narratives emerging in the aftermath. Cochran told those close to him he was in position to get the job and that outside forces intervened to squash the hire, according to sources.  Other sources close to the situation dispute that and indicated Kiffin simply opted to go in a different direction and instead hired Houston’s Blake Gideon, who was Football Scoop’s 2019 special teams coordinator of the year. There were discussions between Cochran and Ole Miss, but no official offer was ever extended, according to those sources.

Regardless of what happened between Ole Miss and Cochran, it solidified in his mind it was time to move on. Cochran had weighed the pros and cons of the move and eventually became all-in on the idea of being an on-field coach at Ole Miss. When it didn’t happen, there was a diminished interest in returning to his role as Alabama’s strength and conditioning coach and an increased desire to find an on-field opportunity.

“He made his mind up, ‘I’m leaving, I’m done with the strength thing and dealing with Coach Saban,’" a source with knowledge of the situation said. “Once you do that, when the (Ole Miss) thing didn’t happen, when you go back, you find all the problems magnified.”

After the Ole Miss discussions became public, Saban called Cochran in for a meeting and asked whether he really wanted to make the switch to an on-field job. When Cochran said he did, Saban told him he wouldn’t be comfortable hiring him as an on-field assistant at that point in time, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The advice from Saban was that if Cochran wanted to become a special teams coach, he should start attending Alabama’s special teams meetings and invest time into learning the intricacies of the position. Cochran left the conversation upset and convinced he wouldn’t be getting an on-field opportunity at Alabama given he believed he had already spent a lot of time around special teams.  It was part of growing friction between Saban and Cochran that seemed to come to a head around that point. Cochran was mentally ready to leave after the Ole Miss situation. Saban, meanwhile, had concerns about numbers and results from a strength and conditioning standpoint and wanted tweaks made to the program. Sources said Saban began “riding Cochran mercilessly in front of staff."

At this point, Cochran was even more determined to find an on-field opportunity elsewhere. Cochran pursued job opportunities with Michigan State and the New York Giants but neither worked out, per sources.  When Georgia lost special teams coach Scott Fountain to Arkansas, it opened up an attractive job to work for long-time friend Kirby Smart. The two had lost touch some over the years as the friendship took a hit when Cochran turned down an opportunity in 2015 to join Smart in Athens. But over the last year, Cochran worked to rebuild the relationship with the Georgia head coach. When he saw an opening, Cochran sold Smart hard on the benefits of hiring him as special teams coordinator despite his limited experience. It helped that Smart had already been thinking about the radical move when he heard about the discussions between Cochran and Ole Miss, according to sources.

Once he had Smart on board with the hire, Cochran met with Saban to inform him of his intention to leave Alabama last Monday. Saban quickly became resigned to the fact he couldn’t do anything to keep his trusted lieutenant when he realized Cochran had already made up his mind. Contrary to a narrative that’s begun to emerge in light of Cochran taking a pay cut to go to Georgia, Saban didn’t force Cochran out.  “Saban really wanting him out is so not true,” one source said. “At all.”

In the aftermath of Cochran’s decision to leave for Georgia, a public relations battle has emerged. Cochran posted a hype video earlier this week on his “new mission,” highlighting the six national championships and 36 NFL first round picks during his time at Alabama and LSU. A day later in a release announcing Cochran’s replacements, Saban said it was “imperative that we adopt and integrate advancements in the field of strength and conditioning that will provide elite training, while better protecting our players from injuries and helping them develop and perform at a higher level.”   Alabama hasn’t been shy about pointing out it’ll be pivoting to a more scientific approach to strength and conditioning that could help cut down on injuries after dealing with a rash of injuries over the last two seasons.

Cochran, meanwhile, clearly won’t hesitate to use his time at Alabama to bolster Georgia’s recruiting efforts, including against his former boss.  It’s the new reality where Cochran has his opportunity to be an on-field coach and Alabama moves to a new strength and conditioning approach after 13 years of the same man barking out orders.  The way it ended left hard feelings on both sides but it has the potential to give both what they want.

 

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Odds via BetMGM. Access the USA TODAY Sports betting odds for a full list of those odds. Lines were last updated Apr. 27 at 11:15 a.m. ET.

The ten teams with best odds are as followed:

  • Clemson: (+250)
  • Ohio state: (+320)
  • Alabama: (+400)
  • Georgia: (+1200)
  • LSU: (+1400)
  • Florida: (+1400)
  • Notre Dame: (+2000)
  • Oklahoma: (+2500)
  • Penn State: (+4000)
  • Michigan: (+4000)

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