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3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Nadler is an ineffective chair, and the Collins is a parliamentary clown. 

Este.

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I could only handle about the first 10 minutes.  We have a completely dysfunctional government.  Collins was screeching like a child.

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5 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Eh, if Lewandowski is going to lie to Congress, he should shoot for the moon and not some minuscule detail about the number of times taking notes.  Go ahead and investigate but this is a molehill among mountains when it comes to criminality.

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This is the Democratic party:

They're too afraid to impeach because they think if they are successful and Trump loses people will say mean things about them. These people are worthless.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

This is the Democratic party:

They're too afraid to impeach because they think if they are successful and Trump loses people will say mean things about them. These people are worthless.

We're fucked. 

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2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Lewandowski now giving his opening statement.

WTF is that pin he's wearing on his lapel?  US flag with some sort of seal on it?  Isn't that contrary to flag code?  

 

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2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

This is the Democratic party:

They're too afraid to impeach because they think if they are successful and Trump loses people will say mean things about them. These people are worthless.

We get the government we deserve

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7 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I hate this country so fucking much.

Which do you hate more?  This country or Hispanics?

Edited by DDD Dad

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Sums it up well here

 

I'm a bit uncomfortable with a guy named Wajahat Ali talking about bazookas and martyrdom, but I get the point.

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1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

 

Doesn't look like the Presidential Seal in any of the views I've seen.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The questions by staff counsel were brutal.

wish I could have seen it.  The good news is this will be the Dems' sword moving forward

 

 

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6 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

wish I could have seen it.  The good news is this will be the Dems' sword moving forward

 

 

Democratic members of Congress would be wise to never ask another question. Let counsel ask all of them.

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4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

This is the Democratic party:

They're too afraid to impeach because they think if they are successful and Trump loses people will say mean things about them. These people are worthless.

That sounds implausible. Who is Jeff Hauser and why should I believe him? Why doesn't he name the Democrats who have expressed that sentiment?

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6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

That sounds implausible. Who is Jeff Hauser and why should I believe him? Why doesn't he name the Democrats who have expressed that sentiment?

Because the quote isn't from him, it's from Politico's newsletter.

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10 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Because the quote isn't from him, it's from Politico's newsletter.

I'm going to need names because I'm not buying that anyone is afraid of negative consequences of Donald Fucking Trump losing the election. Blamed for a political hit job by whom? Trump? Trump's base? The GOP? Big fucking deal. The Clintons say hi. Let the losers cry in their beer. What else are they going to do?

The only fear about impeachment I've heard any Dem express is that it will make Trump seem sympathetic and it might help him win an election he'd otherwise lose. That's the only rational argument against it. 

Edited by WhatTheBuck

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13 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I hate this country so fucking much.

The great thing is you're free to leave any time. There are millions just dying to come here.  What a country......

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10 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The great thing is you're free to leave any time. There are millions just dying to come here.  What a country......

I did leave it for 16 years, but my company made me come back.  Can't wait for the first chance to bolt again.

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1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I did leave it for 16 years, but my company made me come back.  Can't wait for the first chance to bolt again.

Me either.......  glad you could have your life supported by America.

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1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Me either.......  glad you could have your life supported by America.

Or what's left of it to be precise.

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13 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Here’s some

 

Good luck with that Senate campaign, Corey!  Your opponent has a ready made ad. 

You having no obligation to be honest with the media means you have no obligation to be honest with the public.

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13 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Here’s some

 

More than anything else, fuck this post-truth bullshit.  This is the same thinking that leads Trumpkin dimwits to say, "they all a bunch of crooks" then vote for the guy that's obviously a crook. Call me an idealist, but I do think it's reasonable to expect people to be honest in politics and real life.  When people aren't honest, they need to be held to account whether you agree with them or not.  Warren will gut that pig by making ethics reform a front and center issue. 

If you're cool with what Lewandowski said in that clip, seriously, take a hard look at yourself because any credible religion or system of ethics in the history of humanity says you're fucked up. 

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That hearing was worth it just for the one sound bite. 

So what else do the Dems have brewing in the house?

- tax returns

- trump finances, deutsche bank

- the DNI whistleblower

- McGahn, Flynn, Cohen ??

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16 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

That hearing was worth it just for the one sound bite. 

So what else do the Dems have brewing in the house?

- tax returns

- trump finances, deutsche bank

- the DNI whistleblower

- McGahn, Flynn, Cohen ??

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On 6/10/2019 at 3:39 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

Matt Gaetz is one of those guys that really needed to have his ass kicked in high school. He and this country would be better off. 

 

 

Yeah except then you get Stephen Miller. There's no way that guy didn't get his ass kicked in high school.

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Pretty good summary of the political game plan. "Preparing to take initial steps to potentially do something." LOL

 

 

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Should have slapped him with a contempt charge, had the sergeant at arms take him into custody on the spot and make sure the cameras were rolling to catch it all. 

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The Republicans are crooks and the Democrats are pussies.  Quite the spot we find ourselves in.

Edited by The Royal We
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11 minutes ago, suddenly shaggy said:

Should have slapped him with a contempt charge, had the sergeant at arms take him into custody on the spot and make sure the cameras were rolling to catch it all. 

I don't think a committee can do that. Only Congress can.

 

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A legit reason that Congress (House Ds) doesn't go balls to the wall on subpoenas and other enforcement matters is that the extent of those powers is not well defined.  Taking something to court, or pushing it to a level where someone else takes it to court (arrest by Sergeant-At-Arms and habeas corpus) risks clarifying and placing limitations on those powers as much or more than it may permit comeuppance for certain witnesses and their puppetmasters.

When the investigative and enforcement powers are blurry, it makes for a lot of bluster, which Congress has always loved. 

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37 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I don't think a committee can do that. Only Congress can.

 

So what? The House is in session and the last I checked, your bff Pelosi is still in charge of setting the agenda. Go hold a vote. It's not like it's any surprise that Lewandowski lied, evaded questions and falsely claimed executive privilege. Every witness has run the same script. These assholes are going to keep doing it until there are actual consequences. 

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

A legit reason that Congress (House Ds) doesn't go balls to the wall on subpoenas and other enforcement matters is that the extent of those powers is not well defined.  Taking something to court, or pushing it to a level where someone else takes it to court (arrest by Sergeant-At-Arms and habeas corpus) risks clarifying and placing limitations on those powers as much or more than it may permit comeuppance for certain witnesses and their puppetmasters.

When the investigative and enforcement powers are blurry, it makes for a lot of bluster, which Congress has always loved. 

 

I get what you are saying here, but Democrats face the reality of needing to test whether the courts will uphold their actions, rather than getting steam rolled while wondering if the courts would enforce X, Y and Z. Inherent contempt has been upheld twice by the Supreme Court, granted it was in the 1920s and 1930s, but there is still strong precedent on this. They can keep passing the ball around the perimeter looking for a better shot, but the shot clock is winding down on them. 

Lewandowski would have been a great person to start enforcing this on, because he is an admitted liar, a hostile and combative witness and has ZERO claim to executive privilege, because he never served in any part of the executive branch. 

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Congress’s inherent contempt power is not specifically granted by the Constitution, but is considered necessary to investigate and legislate effectively. The validity of the inherent contempt power was upheld in the early Supreme Court decision in Anderson v. Dunn and reiterated in McGrain v. Daugherty. Under the inherent contempt power the individual is brought before the House or Senate by the Sergeant-at-Arms, tried at the bar of the body, and can be imprisoned or detained in the Capitol or perhaps elsewhere.79The purpose of the imprisonment or other sanction may be either punitive80 or coercive.81 Thus, the witness can be imprisoned for a specified period of time as punishment, or for an indefinite period (but not, at least by the House, beyond the end of a session of the Congress) until he agrees to comply. 

 

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL34097

 

 

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5 hours ago, suddenly shaggy said:

So what? The House is in session and the last I checked, your bff Pelosi is still in charge of setting the agenda. Go hold a vote. It's not like it's any surprise that Lewandowski lied, evaded questions and falsely claimed executive privilege. Every witness has run the same script. These assholes are going to keep doing it until there are actual consequences. 

 

I get what you are saying here, but Democrats face the reality of needing to test whether the courts will uphold their actions, rather than getting steam rolled while wondering if the courts would enforce X, Y and Z. Inherent contempt has been upheld twice by the Supreme Court, granted it was in the 1920s and 1930s, but there is still strong precedent on this. They can keep passing the ball around the perimeter looking for a better shot, but the shot clock is winding down on them. 

Lewandowski would have been a great person to start enforcing this on, because he is an admitted liar, a hostile and combative witness and has ZERO claim to executive privilege, because he never served in any part of the executive branch. 

Fucking this. 

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