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On 7/31/2024 at 12:30 PM, mdmost said:

If not just look up the fucking Wiki on the book. 

Ah if only reading Wiki summaries of books actually counted as  reading many leather bound books and my apartment smelling of rich mahogany 

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I hope they end it after 3 and don't try to stretch it even more to 4.  Everything that happened this season could have been covered in 3 or 4 episodes.

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Holy shit. What a crock of shit season finale! Whole time I was like "soooo much talking" while I kept checking how much time was left. Rhy and Ali taking forever setting records with their talk. 

Waiting for a little action in the end. Last 20mins I was like "ok here we go...." fade to black.

I wish I had seen leaks/spoilers to not waste my time.

We knew this season is building to a war.  These 8 eps could have been done in 5 eps. You could at least start the battles! 

FU, HBO.  

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Meh, not a fan of the Horizon style ending although I liked finally seeing Tessarion, the Lannister rolling lion cages again, and the Stark graybeards.

I understand that the actresses are good together but going back to the well for another ridiculous clandestine meeting between A & R was even worse than the first time.

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Getting only one major battle this season is horseshit. They’re totally fucking up this whole thing and trying to draw it out much longer than it needs to be. 

There are plenty of GOT projects in the pipeline than can project well over a decade of future content. This show, done well, only needs three, maybe four seasons. They’re gonna draw this thing out over five seasons, which will entirely kill the pacing. 

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This series is about 1/10 as good as GoT. Three episodes of Daemon wandering around Harrenhal? Could have been done in one.

Sea snake two sons plot line uninteresting. Everyone can ride dragons now. The main thing, I don’t like a single character in this entire show.

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You could summarize this entire season with this:

-Rhaenyra has long conversations about who might be with her or against her
-Daemon took a mental health holiday
-Aegon and Aemond are against each other
-Some new people can now ride dragons

We spent 8+ hours to do all of that.

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Dialog-driven shows don’t bother me…hell my all time favorite is The Wire and love shows like Shrinking.  

But damn this show needs a Tyrion, a Bronn, a Bunk or even a Paulie Walnuts…someone with serious business and integral to the plot, but serving as comic relief that you root for.  

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All the armies/families marching were shown in last week's trailer. They literally just replayed the trailer for us the last minutes of the finale. Here I was  thinking we would see Starks fight..nope just marching.

 

Also Ulf seems like he sucks now. 

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GoT you had Tyrion, Bronn, Ned Stark, Jon Snow, Samwell Tarley, Arya, Onion Knight, Queen of Thorns, Oberyn Martell, you had all these great characters that were bad asses or made you laugh or root for.

Who fits any of those descriptions in this show? None.

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40 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

That would have been an awesome episode 8 if this were a 10 episode season.  

This. It mostly worked, but they’re stringing this along for 5 seasons. Don’t worry guys, S3 is going to be awesome! See you in 2026!

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- Haelena can worg. Jesus, 1 scene in the King’s Landing’s Godswood would have helped. 

- Did Matt Smith say Daemon is a white walker in the behind the scenes? Holy shit that’s a game changer.

- The vision was cool. I think most casual viewers can figure out most of it.

- Montage was great. Lot’s of things to think about. Let’s do a whole season like that. The Northmen look old enough to get half off at Denny’s. 
 

- They’re already blaming the strikes for a shortened season and weak finale. Hess said they had to move a major battle to Season 3. 
 

- Reddit leak freak out should just be expected at this point. If you’re sick enough to watch a 75 minute episode on your phone, instead of waiting a week, you hate everything. 
 

- 50 surly bucks says that Otto is in a cell in King’s Landing. 
 

- Sara Hess’ wife is a saint. It takes a brave person to listen to that voice every single day. 

 

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2 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

This. It mostly worked, but they’re stringing this along for 5 seasons. Don’t worry guys, S3 is going to be awesome! See you in 2026!

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- Haelena can worg. Jesus, 1 scene in the King’s Landing’s Godswood would have helped. 

- Did Matt Smith say Daemon is a white walker in the behind the scenes? Holy shit that’s a game changer.

- The vision was cool. I think most casual viewers can figure out most of it.

- Montage was great. Lot’s of things to think about. Let’s do a whole season like that. The Northmen look old enough to get half off at Denny’s. 
 

- They’re already blaming the strikes for a shortened season and weak finale. Hess said they had to move a major battle to Season 3. 
 

- Reddit leak freak out should just be expected at this point. If you’re sick enough to watch a 75 minute episode on your phone, instead of waiting a week, you hate everything. 
 

- 50 surly bucks says that Otto is in a cell in King’s Landing. 
 

- Sara Hess’ wife is a saint. It takes a brave person to listen to that voice every single day. 

 

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Couple things re: your list there

  • Helaena is a dragon dreamer, not a warg, I don't think her visions have anything to do with the weirwoods. Daenerys had similar dreams, Heleana just has them a lot more often. It's been hinted at many times up to this point.
  • Matt Smith said Daemon saw a white walker, if I'm not mistaken. From what I can tell, he basically saw the song of ice and fire. Makes you wonder who Alys Rivers really is.
  • I think your guess about Otto is spot on.

 

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2 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

GoT you had Tyrion, Bronn, Ned Stark, Jon Snow, Samwell Tarley, Arya, Onion Knight, Queen of Thorns, Oberyn Martell, you had all these great characters that were bad asses or made you laugh or root for.

Who fits any of those descriptions in this show? None.

I think a big part of the problem is the source material. For the record, I have NOT read anything beyond the extant A Song of Ice and Fire novels, including the history book this series is based on. While we're all pissed off at the Fat Man for not finishing the novels, he created a fantastic amount of depth in his characters, along with their inner and outer dialogues (this is where those characters you cite excel), revealing their greed, humor, mendacity, honor, and motivations.

I'm not sure of the writing style for the history book but have read in this thread (not the book fag one) that it's told from an unreliable narrator's perspective. So, we don't get that bit of "oomph" directly from the author himself, and it seems the writers for this show don't have his genius for intelligent, engaging, and humorous dialogue that GRR Martin does possess. We saw the same type of dropoff with the latter seasons of GoT when they apparently had only a broad outline to work with.

That obviously sucks, and yes, it seems the showrunners are dragging things out. Still, I'd argue that even with those gripes, this season was the best new television content of the summer. While it's a disappointment (and having recently completed a full rewatch of GoT), it's still better than the shit that D&D served up at the end of their tired reign over Westeros.

I guess those are the biggest excuses and backhanded compliments I can offer.

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19 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

GoT you had Tyrion, Bronn, Ned Stark, Jon Snow, Samwell Tarley, Arya, Onion Knight, Queen of Thorns, Oberyn Martell, you had all these great characters that were bad asses or made you laugh or root for.

Who fits any of those descriptions in this show? None.

  • I would say Otto Hightower fits for me, but of course he isn't around at the moment. He's about as close as we'll get to a Tywin Lannister type character in this show.
  • Viserys was a good character and a great performance, but he's long gone.
  • I can't fault Emma D'Arcy or Olivia Cooke, their performances are both impeccable. The story and its pacing is what makes their characters suffer.
  • Rhaenys was probably the best character remaining in the show, but also gone.
  • Daemon could be an amazing character if they tried. He was great in season 1, but forgettable this season.
  • Larys Strong started out really interesting but his character hasn't evolved much at all and has only gotten more dull.
  • Aemond could have been a great character but he really only hits one note. Being an angry, overcompensating little bitch driving around a big truck only works if you act like a normal person at least some of the time.
  • Mysaria could be close to as cool as Varys but they don't give her anything to do or any real screen time.
  • Criston Cole is easy to hate, but also boring. He doesn't do anything but act like a tool and whine. Like Aemond, no character depth, completely one note, despite the little speech they gave him in this episode.

I think the main problem is there are just too many characters to flesh out in a show they're cobbling together from really thin source material. The true irony is it feels like they're milking it for all it's worth, and yet the timeline is sped up and too much is skimmed over to let us get to know any character really.

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13 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I think a big part of the problem is the source material. For the record, I have NOT read anything beyond the extant A Song of Ice and Fire novels, including the history book this series is based on. While we're all pissed off at the Fat Man for not finishing the novels, he created a fantastic amount of depth in his characters, along with their inner and outer dialogues (this is where those characters you cite excel), revealing their greed, humor, mendacity, honor, and motivations.

I'm not sure of the writing style for the history book but have read in this thread (not the book fag one) that it's told from an unreliable narrator's perspective. So, we don't get that bit of "oomph" directly from the author himself, and it seems the writers for this show don't have his genius for intelligent, engaging, and humorous dialogue that GRR Martin does possess. We saw the same type of dropoff with the latter seasons of GoT when they apparently had only a broad outline to work with.

That obviously sucks, and yes, it seems the showrunners are dragging things out. Still, I'd argue that even with those gripes, this season was the best new television content of the summer. While it's a disappointment (and having recently completed a full rewatch of GoT), it's still better than the shit that D&D served up at the end of their tired reign over Westeros.

I guess those are the biggest excuses and backhanded compliments I can offer.

Ulf could be a source of comedy, but of course they delivered 2 humorless scenes. A couple biting comebacks would have helped immensely. But the show is more concerned with dragon fights and setting up dragon fights than producing a well rounded show. 
 

They left a lot of comedic meat on the bone in the Lannister Essos scenes as well.

 

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52 minutes ago, utxmike05 said:

Also Ulf seems like he sucks now. 

I only read the GOT books, and honestly skipped over any whole chapters of RR telling who begot who.  so I am a completely illiterate to this timeline.

That being said.... it strongly looks like they are setting Ulf up to be a mercenary rider to whichever Targ pays the most

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oh yeah. also forgot to say how much that entire episode sucked, along with most of the fucking season.

 

HTF you set up a season for a battle... only to put a 2 year hiatus on the battle after milking a fucking 8 episode season out of us

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  • I would say Otto Hightower fits for me, but of course he isn't around at the moment. He's about as close as we'll get to a Tywin Lannister type character in this show.
  • Viserys was a good character and a great performance, but he's long gone.
  • I can't fault Emma D'Arcy or Olivia Cooke, their performances are both impeccable. The story and its pacing is what makes their characters suffer.
  • Rhaenys was probably the best character remaining in the show, but also gone.
  • Daemon could be an amazing character if they tried. He was great in season 1, but forgettable this season.
  • Larys Strong started out really interesting but his character hasn't evolved much at all and has only gotten more dull.
  • Aemond could have been a great character but he really only hits one note. Being an angry, overcompensating little bitch driving around a big truck only works if you act like a normal person at least some of the time.
  • Mysaria could be close to as cool as Varys but they don't give her anything to do or any real screen time.
  • Criston Cole is easy to hate, but also boring. He doesn't do anything but act like a tool and whine. Like Aemond, no character depth, completely one note, despite the little speech they gave him in this episode.
I think the main problem is there are just too many characters to flesh out in a show they're cobbling together from really thin source material. The true irony is it feels like they're milking it for all it's worth, and yet the timeline is sped up and too much is skimmed over to let us get to know any character really.

I appreciate the breakdown but Mysaria doesn’t hold a candle to Varys. He was witty with a great back story. Mysaria is just a whore who shares secrets. Never said one thing witty or funny, just relays information.
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41 minutes ago, mrhorn said:

As many times as I’ve rewatched GoT, you couldn’t pay me to watch that season again. Get your shit together.

This. A friend text me “omg can’t wait to watch the finale again..gonna watch tmrw”. I replied “why?”

I knew by season 1 it will never be GoT level characters and story, but I kept hoping it would step up.

They often deny us battles and when they have them they are usually offscreen. I’m still pissed last season Daemon fought the crab king guy in a cave off screen. Bs. 

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3 minutes ago, Mileslong said:


I appreciate the breakdown but Mysaria doesn’t hold a candle to Varys. He was witty with a great back story. Mysaria is just a whore who shares secrets. Never said one thing witty or funny, just relays information.

She's obviously not Varys, but I feel like you're letting recency bias creep in because she hasn't done anything but yap at Rhaenyra this season. She was great in S1, not a dull scene where she was involved. S2 is nothing but dull scenes for her. A real waste of potential.

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I was enjoying the first half of the episode. But, the second half left me wanting. Quite anticlimactic, though it did set some things up.

Daemon’s move (or lack there of) did surprise me, but story-wise it was probably the least compelling decision he could make. Did I imagine or misread something significant between Helena and Daemon from his vision?

Rhaena looking for the dragon added nothing since we all knew where it was going. Doesn’t help that I had to look up her character name.

The lippy new dragon rider provided tension that I assume will go somewhere eventually but I was expecting more to happen here.

The visions of GoT “winter is coming” imagery, Daenarys, etc., are cool and all, but feel contrived to me.

 

I will say that production value and performances are excellent. Really hope they deliver the next season more quickly than this one.

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2 minutes ago, LonghornSean said:

Daemon’s move (or lack there of) did surprise me, but story-wise it was probably the least compelling decision he could make. Did I imagine or misread something significant between Helena and Daemon from his vision?

The visions of GoT “winter is coming” imagery, Daenarys, etc., are cool and all, but feel contrived to me.

Alys Rivers showed Daemon the Song of Ice and Fire, it's the basis for the whole GoT universe and the same vision that led to House Targaryen leaving Old Valyria and Aegon's Conquest, and the same story that Viserys told to Rhaenyra.

If you're talking about Aemond and Helaena and not Daemon....I'm not sure what you're talking about tbh.

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41 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Ulf could be a source of comedy, but of course they delivered 2 humorless scenes. A couple biting comebacks would have helped immensely. But the show is more concerned with dragon fights and setting up dragon fights than producing a well rounded show. 
 

They left a lot of comedic meat on the bone in the Lannister Essos scenes as well.

I totally agree. I haven't bothered to look up who the writers are for this show, but it just may well be emblematic of the type of writers they are. GRR Martin is a novelist who has to use original words through the multiple voices of characters on paper to draw a reader in, whereas screenwriters maybe tend to lazily lean on Hollywood tropes, visualizations, or whatever to win over audiences when they don't have a really good author's actual material to work with.

It's just a theory, and I honestly don't know what I'm talking about since I have 0.00% experience in the TV/movie-making industry.

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31 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Alys Rivers showed Daemon the Song of Ice and Fire, it's the basis for the whole GoT universe and the same vision that led to House Targaryen leaving Old Valyria and Aegon's Conquest, and the same story that Viserys told to Rhaenyra.

If you're talking about Aemond and Helaena and not Daemon....I'm not sure what you're talking about tbh.

Yeah I remember Viserys learning and passing it down last season. I guess the issue is my own skepticism that the knowledge of this prophecy will significantly affect anything in this show, since we know the ultimate outcome in GoT. It’s kinda the classic problem with prequels. (TBF it did influence Daemon here and Viserys previously)

I meant when Helena appeared and spoke at the end of Daemon’s vision. Then it transitioned directly to the scene with her and Aemond.

It initially stuck out to me since I don’t remember she and Daemon interacting before. But I wasn’t thinking about her ability for foresight.

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Who's dumber: mom for giving daughter this name; or govt employee for thinking civilians cant adopt a trademarked name

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A woman was left "devastated" after her daughter's passport application was rejected because she was named after a Game of Thrones character.

Lucy, 39, from Swindon in Wiltshire, said the Passport Office initially refused the application for Khaleesi, six.

Officials said they were unable to issue a passport unless Warner Brothers gave permission because it owned the name's trademark. But the authority has since apologised for the error.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ng1xd06xwo

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HBO and showrunners- "we're setting the table for season 3. All the players are now on the board"

Fuck off. 2 more years before we actually see a battle. The only good part was Helaena and the godswood. 

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16 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

So underwhelming, seems like they just cut off the last two episodes to get it to 8. 

Yeah, it definitely feels like episode 8 of a 10 episode season. Seems like it was setting the table for a big battle in Episode 9, and then setting up the board for the next season in Episode 10. Was this shortened due to the strikes?

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Dialog-driven shows don’t bother me…hell my all time favorite is The Wire and love shows like Shrinking.  
But damn this show needs a Tyrion, a Bronn, a Bunk or even a Paulie Walnuts…someone with serious business and integral to the plot, but serving as comic relief that you root for.  

This would be genius. Paulie Walnuts and Daemon in the Pine Barrens. “Tone you won’t believe this…I rode a fuckin dragon!”

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