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I was slow to start S4 due to rewatching S3, which is easily my least favorite. My biggest gripe was too much screen time given to the idiot Fak brothers. They were good for snippets of comedic relief in S1-2 but not multiple lengthy scenes per episode of childish arguments. Second gripe was what felt like manufactured drama with everyone and the odd tease of Sydney leaving for a restaurant that doesn’t exist yet with a partner she barely knows.

I’m through 6 episodes of S4 and really enjoying it so far. Less time for Faks and more time elevating other characters like Ebraheim and Gary has been much appreciated. The inter-character drama seems more authentic and feels like we are actually building towards something. Also liking the addition of Ever castoffs and Luca. Good stuff.

Ep 7 - Bears is over an hour. I have a good feeling about it.

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4 hours ago, kingkoopa6 said:

He made you a great offer. Suck his fuckin balls 

 

hahaha 

That scene was hilarious.

And I gotta say I’m shocked to not see any mention of Rob Reiner being amazing as Albert (cursory search). He was just perfect in his role. It was great stuff. 

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3 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

And I gotta say I’m shocked to not see any mention of Rob Reiner being amazing as Albert (cursory search). He was just perfect in his role. It was great stuff. 

He was really good.  Unlike the John Cena cameo from S3 which sucked and felt too forced.

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On 7/5/2025 at 2:47 PM, mdmost said:

Finished season 4 last night. I really enjoyed it. I think they brought things back around nicely. Not sure why Ayo is so disliked on here but I thought she did great. Syd is high functioning neurotic/probably autistic like Carmy. I think a lot of characters grew and this was about processing and dealing with their traumas. Interested to see where season 5 goes but I feel like we're going to wait a bit given the main 3 have loaded schedules coming up. The scene with Carmy and Lee in the kitchen was so well done. Lee went from being a bastard to someone who helped further un-stick Carmy. That scene allowed the final scene with Carmy, Syd, and Richie to happen and it was masterful.

It was a great finale, but I shared Syd's "what the fuck" reaction over Carmy walking away from the restaurant.  I understand the point that being a chef and chasing the grind of operating Michelin-rated restaurants was Carmy's way of running from everything, and it's going to make for an interesting Season 5 storyline of Carmy looking to do something other than cook.  But The Bear is quitting The Bear?  

S4 didn't have the same magic as S1 and S2, but a lot more cohesion and story development than S3.  And some folks might think all the feel-good reconciliation in S4, which is a sharp turn from all of the conflict and "fuck-you" moments in prior seasons, was too schmaltzy or contrived.  But I really liked it.  

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I did not like the ending especially if it was meant as a possible season finale. Also don't get the Syd hate, her character is supposed to be somewhat neurotic, and the annoying parts are just unrealistic stuff that pops up in all sorts of tv shows, like her not reading the partnership agreement for months, and Carmen sending her the updated agreement without telling her first what he was planning to do, as though she'd just read it and accept it without bringing it up? Go to her with that stuff directly in a serious conversation, I get her anger in that situation. She's also not the only character to get an episode about a side journey. I enjoyed that episode along side the others. 

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I might have also missed something too, but it did not appear that Carmen was in on the talks to franchise The Beef and how it could save the overall business and he just kept saying over and over that "they'll figure it out" so from his perspective he's gifting Syd and Richie ownership in a business that is failing financially?

There's no way Season 5 is about Carmen moving on to something else. He's still the star of the show. I get the story line that he's not in love with it anymore but Season 5 will almost certainly be about him finding that love again somehow and learning to manage both the career and personal life in a reasonable manner.

 

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I'm also skeptical that Carmy is really walking away from it all.  I get that he may have lost some love for being a chef, and his pursuit of excellence was a lot about him not dealing with the other shit in his life. 

But it's like Tom Brady retiring after winning his third Super Bowl, or Michael Jordan retiring after winning his third NBA championship (yeah, I know MJ did just that, but he came back in the middle of his second season away).

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4 hours ago, 'stache said:

She's also not the only character to get an episode about a side journey. I enjoyed that episode along side the others. 

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I might have also missed something too, but it did not appear that Carmen was in on the talks to franchise The Beef and how it could save the overall business and he just kept saying over and over that "they'll figure it out" so from his perspective he's gifting Syd and Richie ownership in a business that is failing financially?

There's no way Season 5 is about Carmen moving on to something else. He's still the star of the show. I get the story line that he's not in love with it anymore but Season 5 will almost certainly be about him finding that love again somehow and learning to manage both the career and personal life in a reasonable manner.

 

I just want to clarify Worm was NOT a side journey. It was an entire episode of exposition about her choices. 45 minutes of what I view as poorly written exposition. It was not a side journey. Enjoyment is subjective and if you enjoy 45 minutes of poorly written exposition, fair, but it wasn't a side journey and brought no new development to her character arc unless you want to say "we learned she's pretty good with kids", and/or "The actress playing her really sucks at writing metaphore". 

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On 7/4/2025 at 1:22 PM, BrazilHorn said:

She shouldn’t as it sucked. An hour of self indulgent, stupid dialogue that was some of the most boring television made. 
 

 

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

I just want to clarify Worm was NOT a side journey. It was an entire episode of exposition about her choices. 45 minutes of what I view as poorly written exposition. It was not a side journey. Enjoyment is subjective and if you enjoy 45 minutes of poorly written exposition, fair, but it wasn't a side journey and brought no new development to her character arc unless you want to say "we learned she's pretty good with kids", and/or "The actress playing her really sucks at writing metaphore". 

 

You guys both need to learn how to tell time. It was a normal 32 minute episode - likely 30 when you take out the intro and credits.

And I still don't get the hate - it showed a lot of her struggles and where she comes from. I thought it was a find episode to show more of Syd than we have seen thus far. IMHO, no different than Tina, Richie or Marcus solo episdoes.

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6 hours ago, South Austin said:

I'm also skeptical that Carmy is really walking away from it all.  I get that he may have lost some love for being a chef, and his pursuit of excellence was a lot about him not dealing with the other shit in his life. 

But it's like Tom Brady retiring after winning his third Super Bowl, or Michael Jordan retiring after winning his third NBA championship (yeah, I know MJ did just that, but he came back in the middle of his second season away).

So will the season premiere deal with the fallout of David Stern suspending Carmy for gambling or do you think that will just be alluded to in later episodes?

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51 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

 

 

You guys both need to learn how to tell time. It was a normal 32 minute episode - likely 30 when you take out the intro and credits.

And I still don't get the hate - it showed a lot of her struggles and where she comes from. I thought it was a find episode to show more of Syd than we have seen thus far. IMHO, no different than Tina, Richie or Marcus solo episdoes.

30 odd mins of just syd doing a lame comparison between sleepovers to restaurants felt like 4 hours of regular time. 
 

i liked her hairdresser friend, she was funny. The rest of episode was just super dull. 
 

Glad you liked it. For me it sucked the goat ass. 

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15 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

30 odd mins of just syd doing a lame comparison between sleepovers to restaurants felt like 4 hours of regular time. 
 

i liked her hairdresser friend, she was funny. The rest of episode was just super dull. 
 

Glad you liked it. For me it sucked the goat ass. 

Yeah, running time aside it was a shit show of shitty exposition. I noted in my original post the friend and daughter were the fucking highlights of the episode. Every time Syd opened her pie hole I wanted to fast forward, so much so that at one point I fucking did. The only "new" insight we got was her friend looks great in her fit, the daughter is a good actress, and her friend does her extensions. Also, Syd prefers to shop at Whole Foods in Old Town Chicago. (Well, I picked that part up) Riveting. 

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