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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Helm is not only a better tight end he’s going to have a better pro career because he’s better. Just because he was on a different developmental path doesn’t make him not better. 

By "different developmental path" you men had to wait until Sanders left because he couldn't beat him out. Gotcha.

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I did. First of all, Mahomes was struggling last season with the deep ball. Obviously it's one reason they drafted Worthy, but also Rashee Rice being out makes things harder for everyone. And the first article puts plenty of blame on Mahomes. 

You have wrapped yourself in such a knot about Quinn that you're digging up articles to deflect criticism onto former Horns in the NFL. It's ridiculous. 

 

I’m not sure he read them

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22 hours ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

I think Sark is frustrated by Quinn's fuckups. I think he's going to begin increasing the pressure on him to fly right. This fucking week... and beginning Saturday, he will indeed bring Arch in the first time Quinn falters. Probably for just a series or two, or maybe one possession if he takes it down the field. Sark knows it's time for Quinn to get his shit together.

If Sark has any sense at all, he knows we can't find ourselves in another Garrett Gilbert situation - and if we do, it will be all Sark's fault, and should be. Colt McCoy was healthy and his injury was unexpected, but I'm gonna be pretty surprised if Quinn makes it to the fourth Quarter of the Georgia game without a serious limp. Sark has to know this is a possibility, and I don't think that if Quinn comes up limping this time that Sark will be willing to take his foot off the gas pedal. He absolutely has to get Manning more reps, especially for what lies beyond. Sark should not destroy this team's season because of Quinn.

Gonna be interesting.

Arch coming in for Quinn is far from "another Garrett Gilbert" situation. Manning has started two games and played in others. Gilbert had little to no game at experience at all before coming into that title game against Bama. On of those things in not like the other, kind of easy to see the difference. 

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I did. First of all, Mahomes was struggling last season with the deep ball. Obviously it's one reason they drafted Worthy, but also Rashee Rice being out makes things harder for everyone. And the first article puts plenty of blame on Mahomes. 

You have wrapped yourself in such a knot about Quinn that you're digging up articles to deflect criticism onto former Horns in the NFL. It's ridiculous. 

 

Last year Mahomes wasn't struggling to hit burners who were wide open. He had receivers who struggled getting free. The article says Mahomes is having to wait and see where Worthy will release vertically because he has no idea and Worthy struggles to track balls. That's the same thing we were seeing here. Then we got Mitchell and basically gave up on Worthy being the deep target and our offense took off. That was the difference in the offense in 22 and the offense in 23. Now the Chiefs are going through the same thing we did.

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Last year Mahomes wasn't struggling to hit burners who were wide open. He had receivers who struggled getting free. The article says Mahomes is having to wait and see where Worthy will release vertically because he has no idea and Worthy struggles to track balls. That's the same thing we were seeing here. Then we got Mitchell and basically gave up on Worthy being the deep target and our offense took off. That was the difference in the offense in 22 and the offense in 23. Now the Chiefs are going through the same thing we did.

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Mahomes has to shoulder some responsibility for the struggles in the deep passing game, especially for Worthy. There have been plenty of times when Worthy has been open and the quarterback has missed him. There are a multitude of reasons for the inconsistency. The first – and probably biggest – culprit is Mahomes’s footwork on the throws.

There have been multiple plays where the footwork was either off or rushed while trying to throw deep. Mahomes is so exceptionally talented and gifted that he’s been able to play without always having the best mechanics and technique. With that said, it has also cost him and the Chiefs when it comes to hitting big plays.

 

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12 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Last year Mahomes wasn't struggling to hit burners who were wide open. He had receivers who struggled getting free. The article says Mahomes is having to wait and see where Worthy will release vertically because he has no idea and Worthy struggles to track balls. That's the same thing we were seeing here. Then we got Mitchell and basically gave up on Worthy being the deep target and our offense took off. That was the difference in the offense in 22 and the offense in 23. Now the Chiefs are going through the same thing we did.

Where does it say that? It says he struggles with the angles on his breaks in response to coverage and getting two feet in bounds.

Its hilarious you even posted that article because the majority of it discussed the need for Mahomes to be better.
 

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10 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Where does it say that? It says he struggles with the angles on his breaks in response to coverage and getting two feet in bounds.

Its hilarious you even posted that article because the majority of it discussed the need for Mahomes to be better.
 

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The article is like listening to the second wife complain about the same things the first wife complains about and then blaming the issues on herself.

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The article is like listening to the second wife complain about the same things the first wife complains about and then blaming the issues on herself.

Except it doesn’t even discuss the things you claimed are the problems with X. So I guess the second wife has a whole new set of issues lol

Dude just give it up. You posted articles that didn’t point out what you said they did, in fact they pointed out the opposite, and now you’re just pantsing yourself.

Xavier Worthy, AD Mitchell, JT Sanders were not the problem last year and the supporting cast isn’t the problem this year. Quinn can be great, but he needs to play like it. You pretending it’s always someone else’s fault is clown shit.

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The article is like listening to the second wife complain about the same things the first wife complains about and then blaming the issues on herself.

I have zero doubt you are a legit, great Texas fan in real life. 

At first I thought you were just a sunshine pumper defending Quinn, but you clearly have no issue criticizing other players, editing a lowlight reel of Arch, and posting articles about Texas greats as criticism and in defense of Ewers. It's a little strange. So the only thing that makes sense to me is you have some personal connection to Ewers. Which is cool and awesome, if true. But let us know. 

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49 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I have zero doubt you are a legit, great Texas fan in real life. 

At first I thought you were just a sunshine pumper defending Quinn, but you clearly have no issue criticizing other players, editing a lowlight reel of Arch, and posting articles about Texas greats as criticism and in defense of Ewers. It's a little strange. So the only thing that makes sense to me is you have some personal connection to Ewers. Which is cool and awesome, if true. But let us know. 

@Thatguy if you’re Quinn you have to tell us. It’s like a law or something. 
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7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I have zero doubt you are a legit, great Texas fan in real life. 

At first I thought you were just a sunshine pumper defending Quinn, but you clearly have no issue criticizing other players, editing a lowlight reel of Arch, and posting articles about Texas greats as criticism and in defense of Ewers. It's a little strange. So the only thing that makes sense to me is you have some personal connection to Ewers. Which is cool and awesome, if true. But let us know. 

You guys have trouble with what is right in front of you. Helm is better than Sanders but when they were on the same team(same recruiting class too) Helm couldn't beat Sanders out. The easy answer is maybe Sanders was just a better receiver. But no you guys twist yourselves in knots to justify how Helm "grew" into a better receiver than Sanders in the 8 months since Sanders left.

Williams is better than Jones. Almost all the pressure, gaffs, and batted balls are coming from that side of the line. The easy answer is that Jones was better than Williams but you guys twist yourselves in knots to say how Williams is better than Jones ignoring the evidence of even Campbell saying Jones helped him stay solid with protections.

Offensive productivity drops after losing 7 players on the offensive side of the ball. Seems like the most logical conclusion would be the 7 players we lost on offense, but no it's all just simply because the quarterback regressed. Offenses usually keep humming along at the same pace after losing their 5 star back and 6 players to the NFL right?

We couldn't seem to connect on anything downfield to Worthy in 22 at all so Sark went to the portal, got AD, and turned X into a short to intermediate guy and things seemed to get fixed. Mahomes never struggled missing wide open Hill before. They got rid of Hill and struggled with receivers failing to get sep vs DBs which was killing their big play passing game. So they went and got some real speed again but can't hit dude even though he is wide ass open. The logical fucking answer is maybe like we found out X just isn't a deep threat receiver since no one has ever seen him catch the ball downfield with any regularity. Ever. Even though we've seen X with 5 different quarterbacks now, including the best one in the NFL. But no. It has to be because Mahomes footwork right?

I have admitted what I think Ewers' issues are plenty of times in this thread. It is you guys that blame every single thing that happens negatively on offense on him.

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Re: Helm vs Sanders.

Don’t forget that Sanders came in extremely raw and played mostly DE and WR in High School. He’s still learning the TE position even now. I still think to this day that he has better tools to be a very good DE/Edge. Helm is more polished and fundamentally sound(no racist).

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

You guys have trouble with what is right in front of you. Helm is better than Sanders but when they were on the same team(same recruiting class too) Helm couldn't beat Sanders out. The easy answer is maybe Sanders was just a better receiver. But no you guys twist yourselves in knots to justify how Helm "grew" into a better receiver than Sanders in the 8 months since Sanders left.

Williams is better than Jones. Almost all the pressure, gaffs, and batted balls are coming from that side of the line. The easy answer is that Jones was better than Williams but you guys twist yourselves in knots to say how Williams is better than Jones ignoring the evidence of even Campbell saying Jones helped him stay solid with protections.

Offensive productivity drops after losing 7 players on the offensive side of the ball. Seems like the most logical conclusion would be the 7 players we lost on offense, but no it's all just simply because the quarterback regressed. Offenses usually keep humming along at the same pace after losing their 5 star back and 6 players to the NFL right?

We couldn't seem to connect on anything downfield to Worthy in 22 at all so Sark went to the portal, got AD, and turned X into a short to intermediate guy and things seemed to get fixed. Mahomes never struggled missing wide open Hill before. They got rid of Hill and struggled with receivers failing to get sep vs DBs which was killing their big play passing game. So they went and got some real speed again but can't hit dude even though he is wide ass open. The logical fucking answer is maybe like we found out X just isn't a deep threat receiver since no one has ever seen him catch the ball downfield with any regularity. Ever. Even though we've seen X with 5 different quarterbacks now, including the best one in the NFL. But no. It has to be because Mahomes footwork right?

I have admitted what I think Ewers' issues are plenty of times in this thread. It is you guys that blame every single thing that happens negatively on offense on him.

Helm this year is better than Sanders last year. He wasn't last year largely because he wasn't as good running routes and because he didn't block very well. He improved himself as a blocker and he is legitimately a freak athlete for his size, I point yet again to his many highlights hurdles this year. Sanders is a better pure receiver. Helm, this year, is a better TE. 

As to the rest of your post, I agree that people are underestimating replacing all of our receivers. It isn't just about replacing the receiving talents. I think we've done a damn good job there. The issue is that we can't replace the familiarity and experience with Sark's offense. Our receivers and Quinn aren't always on the same page. They aren't seeing the same things in the defense. As a result, Quinn is hesitant to throw the plays that should be there because he doesn't always trust our receivers to do what they are supposed to. But, as I know you'll admit, Quinn has also done a fair bit of poor quarterbacking since his early season injury. He has his moments, but his foot work regressed with the injury and so did his composure and timing. Despite the turnovers, I think the A&M game is actually the best he has looked in awhile. 

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10 hours ago, Codaxx said:

The fumble was a called RPO (looking to hit Juan Davis in the flat off a split zone action). Quinn pulled it and took off.

 

Juan got a ton of PT this game, he sure does seem to move slow on those route runs.   Maybe I'm just so used to the stupid fast team speed.   

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2 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

OB reporting Quinn is dealing with a high ankle sprain and reinjured his oblique against aggy.

I’m sure that’s why he was omitted from the injury report. 🙄 same as it ever was at OB trolling for clicks

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7 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

OB reporting Quinn is dealing with a high ankle sprain and reinjured his oblique against aggy.

Not really new information, Quinn has been dealing with these injuries for a while.

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 Longhorn quarterback Quinn Ewers will fight through a high ankle sprain and another injury on Saturday. I was told Ewers reinjured his oblique last week and has received treatment after practice throughout the week. Ewers will start against Georgia. Nevertheless, the goal is for Ewers to become as healthy as possible between now and Saturday.

 

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I think Helm is underrated. Guy clearly took a big step up. His hands are legit. Sark wields him like a weapon.

JT Sanders was damn good all around at UT. He's a guy who also made a big jump suddenly. He was a big part of Sark's offense.  

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Are we now saying players can’t get better?  Sanders could been better than Helm last year and now Helm could be better now than Sanders was last year.  Either way Helm vs Sanders isn’t a reason for Quinns drop in production.  

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8 hours ago, BlackCat said:

I think Helm is underrated. Guy clearly took a big step up. His hands are legit. Sark wields him like a weapon.

JT Sanders was damn good all around at UT. He's a guy who also made a big jump suddenly. He was a big part of Sark's offense.  

Scouts are starting to comp him to Travis Kelce….thats high praise. 

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12 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You guys have trouble with what is right in front of you. Helm is better than Sanders but when they were on the same team(same recruiting class too) Helm couldn't beat Sanders out. The easy answer is maybe Sanders was just a better receiver. But no you guys twist yourselves in knots to justify how Helm "grew" into a better receiver than Sanders in the 8 months since Sanders left.

Williams is better than Jones. Almost all the pressure, gaffs, and batted balls are coming from that side of the line. The easy answer is that Jones was better than Williams but you guys twist yourselves in knots to say how Williams is better than Jones ignoring the evidence of even Campbell saying Jones helped him stay solid with protections.

Offensive productivity drops after losing 7 players on the offensive side of the ball. Seems like the most logical conclusion would be the 7 players we lost on offense, but no it's all just simply because the quarterback regressed. Offenses usually keep humming along at the same pace after losing their 5 star back and 6 players to the NFL right?

We couldn't seem to connect on anything downfield to Worthy in 22 at all so Sark went to the portal, got AD, and turned X into a short to intermediate guy and things seemed to get fixed. Mahomes never struggled missing wide open Hill before. They got rid of Hill and struggled with receivers failing to get sep vs DBs which was killing their big play passing game. So they went and got some real speed again but can't hit dude even though he is wide ass open. The logical fucking answer is maybe like we found out X just isn't a deep threat receiver since no one has ever seen him catch the ball downfield with any regularity. Ever. Even though we've seen X with 5 different quarterbacks now, including the best one in the NFL. But no. It has to be because Mahomes footwork right?

I have admitted what I think Ewers' issues are plenty of times in this thread. It is you guys that blame every single thing that happens negatively on offense on him.

The Cam vs Jones is debatable. The other 4 OL having another year makes that a moot point. There is no doubt the OL is better this year.

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13 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Helm is not only a better tight end …..he was on a different developmental path doesn’t make him not better. 

I read this as “doesn’t make him not butter.” Then I was gonna go down a whole path of that 1990s margarine called “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter” versus real butter as an analogous reflection of this debate between Helm and Sanders. Then, I’d be able to circle back and use both bread spreads on a loaf of Quinn. 
 

That’s how bad this thread sucks. I had all of those thoughts and felt it was reasonable.

 


 

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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Posting the pic for you cause you're a boomer

 

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1 minute ago, Daichee Bell said:

I read this as “doesn’t make him not butter.” Then I was gonna go down a whole path of that 1990s margarine called “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter” versus real butter as an analogous reflection of this debate between Helm and Sanders. Then, I’d be able to circle back and use both bread spreads on a loaf of Quinn. 
 

That’s how bad this thread sucks. I had all of those thoughts and felt it was reasonable.

 


 

You just have to have Smart Balance when reading this thread.

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Posted
20 minutes ago, jet black said:

He was fine until that first strip sack, then turned into a pussy. 

Yeah, he actually looked ok until that hit. Everything fell apart after that. 

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If Quinn is so beat up, why not sit? Are you really helping the team with all the turnovers? There’s starters on this team who have been benched for the same level of inconsistency. Gbenda, Blue, Campbell, Moore, etc. Quinns only been benched for a quarter. If he turns the ball over on our side of the field in the SECCG, get the man a tablet. 

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CJ echoing the info from OB yesterday. 

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– I am told Quinn Ewers is still a bit wobbly, but the expectation of course is he will start the game at quarterback for the Longhorns. Ewers started this week off very similar to that of last week in terms of participation and intensity level in practice – which has slowly risen as the week has progressed.

Ewers, even beyond the ankle, isn't 100%, but I do not have confirmation on what the additional irritation is, just that something else is hampering him.

 

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56 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

CJ echoing the info from OB yesterday. 

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– I am told Quinn Ewers is still a bit wobbly, but the expectation of course is he will start the game at quarterback for the Longhorns. Ewers started this week off very similar to that of last week in terms of participation and intensity level in practice – which has slowly risen as the week has progressed.

Ewers, even beyond the ankle, isn't 100%, but I do not have confirmation on what the additional irritation is, just that something else is hampering him.

 

Must be his pussy…

 

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2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

CJ echoing the info from OB yesterday. 

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– I am told Quinn Ewers is still a bit wobbly, but the expectation of course is he will start the game at quarterback for the Longhorns. Ewers started this week off very similar to that of last week in terms of participation and intensity level in practice – which has slowly risen as the week has progressed.

Ewers, even beyond the ankle, isn't 100%, but I do not have confirmation on what the additional irritation is, just that something else is hampering him.

 

It's obviously his pussy.

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3 hours ago, CastHorn said:

If Quinn is so beat up, why not sit? Are you really helping the team with all the turnovers?

There are a lot of cons to sitting him, as well as pros for it. I would assume Sarkisian doesn't want to put Arch into this kind of environment as a starter yet, and he also doesn't want to create more psychological issues for Ewers. I would assume there will be an Arch package like there was last week, which also leaves the door open for Arch to play more is Sarkisian deems it necessary. I am ok with that.

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31 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

There are a lot of cons to sitting him, as well as pros for it. I would assume Sarkisian doesn't want to put Arch into this kind of environment as a starter yet, and he also doesn't want to create more psychological issues for Ewers. I would assume there will be an Arch package like there was last week, which also leaves the door open for Arch to play more is Sarkisian deems it necessary. I am ok with that.

I can only assume the "Arch package" will have him throw on his first play, just to fuck with UGA's perception that he's obviously in to run the ball.  I am a genius.

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50 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I can only assume the "Arch package" will have him throw on his first play, just to fuck with UGA's perception that he's obviously in to run the ball.  I am a genius.

Saving that for the playoffs was my bet.

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4 hours ago, CastHorn said:

If Quinn is so beat up, why not sit? Are you really helping the team with all the turnovers? There’s starters on this team who have been benched for the same level of inconsistency. Gbenda, Blue, Campbell, Moore, etc. Quinns only been benched for a quarter. If he turns the ball over on our side of the field in the SECCG, get the man a tablet. 

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9 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

CJ echoing the info from OB yesterday. 

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– I am told Quinn Ewers is still a bit wobbly, but the expectation of course is he will start the game at quarterback for the Longhorns. Ewers started this week off very similar to that of last week in terms of participation and intensity level in practice – which has slowly risen as the week has progressed.

Ewers, even beyond the ankle, isn't 100%, but I do not have confirmation on what the additional irritation is, just that something else is hampering him.

 

 

Who is CJ? Thanks

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2 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Who is CJ? Thanks

CJ Vogel is the credentialed on site reporter and booth guy for ontexasfootball.

He's a Texas journalism grad and does a really good job, plus he's a cool guy. 

His in game takes are whatever, but his sources are real and he has really good ties with the players as he's still in his 20s and can fit in with them without being a weirdo old jicksniffer type. 

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