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Posted
23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Irony of ironies….that actor turned out to be a sexual predator.

Well Diane Franklin turned out to be Princess Joanna, so you win some, you lose some.

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5 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I'd go with "She was relaxed and she enjoyed it."

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If Clayton Williams doesn't drop that little nugget of wisdom, he might win, and if he wins, George W. Bush does not become governor when he does (if ever), which means he doesn't become President in 2001, which means no invasion of Iraq in 2003, which cuts way down on the chances of ISIS/etc. rising up as well as the "Arab Spring" and causing problems all across the Middle East and North Africa (that we are still dealing with in 2023).  George W not happening as President from 2001-2008 may mean no Obama as President, or at least in 2009, which definitely means no Trump as President, and no rise of MAGA/Qanon.

One awful little comment three decades ago set the wheels in motion for Trump.  

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Fair.

Either way…don’t let him near your daughter.

how do you know about her? she's been locked in the attic for years.

seriously, though, I don't have kids (that I know of)

Posted
1 hour ago, nbmishoid said:

Well, while modern humans are pegged at 200k years ago

Some type of root vegetable I presume / nowthis

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Per the WAPO, 8 fake electors in Georgia have accepted Fani Willis’ immunity deals in exchange for truthful testimony abut their involvement in the plot to undermine results.
Now we know the real reason why Willis shared her timeline for issuing indictments.

Posted
1 hour ago, nbmishoid said:

Well, while modern humans are pegged at 200k years ago,

NowThis is just a history buff 

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44 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Suspicious Monkey GIF by MOODMAN

I would really like to understand why it's not a punishable offense for the false elector lawyer to withhold the immunity deal in an effort to obstruct the prosecution. If you think it was just an oopsie whoopsie, I have a bridge to sell you in Midland TX

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3 hours ago, Captainant said:

I would really like to understand why it's not a punishable offense for the false elector lawyer to withhold the immunity deal in an effort to obstruct the prosecution. If you think it was just an oopsie whoopsie, I have a bridge to sell you in Midland TX

Because we don't actually know that happened.  The two sentences in the motion about it, several paragraphs apart, have multiple explanations other than the lawyer didn't discuss "potential immunity deals."  Namely that her clients are fucking morons and weren't paying attention.

And, the drive-by nature of the allegation in the motion frankly has all the earmarks of a chickenshit attack by one lawyer on another when the lawyer can't prove the chickenshit attack, but only suspects that it may be true.  I hope Willis' office isn't like that, that doesn't bode well for these prosecutions.

And there would be absolutely nothing to be gained by the lawyer for doing that, except a hickey on the law license.

And, from the WaPo article, the defense lawyer called the prosecution on their chickenshit attack (when a lawyer writes like this, instead of in innuendo, it typically means they can prove exactly what they say).

In the latest volley, Debrow accused prosecutors of misrepresenting the facts — a reference to an April 18 motion from Willis asking a judge to block Debrow from “any further participation” in the case, claiming the attorney did not tell her clients they had been offered potential immunity in the investigation.

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In her response Friday, Debrow vehemently denied both allegations — and accused prosecutors of knowing that their allegations were not true. She cited a letter to her clients dated last August that laid out early discussions of potential immunity offers. She also said that all eight of her current clients have accepted immunity, making it impossible for them to implicate one another. She added that after reviewing audio recordings and transcripts of her clients’ interviews with prosecutors, which she attended, she has found no evidence that any of them implicated anyone else.

“This statement is categorically false, and provably so,” Debrow wrote. “None of the interviewed electors said anything in any of their interviews that was incriminating to themselves or anyone else, and certainly not to any other elector represented by defense counsel.”

Also notable from the actual article.  All eight of that lawyer's clients accepted immunity deals simply for telling the truth, not for giving testimony incriminating anyone else.  That takes quite a bit of the fun out of it.

So, yet again, you have come to believe that a crime or ethical violation has occurred because you read it in a tweet or some slipshod legal reporting, or worse, slipshod briefing by the prosecution (if you happened to read the motion).  Meanwhile disregarding provable facts.

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I finally saw the video of Trump’s deposition where he looks at the old photo of alleged rape victim and identifies her as his former wife Marla.   

Legit LOL.   Plus, his spray tan looked really bad.  

However, that legal genius did tell the female lawyer questioning him that she was not attractive enough for him to wanna rape her, so that was different. ( I know, he was just talking about how all us men look at the woman’s hotness as seen through our personal lens before we get all rape-y.   Baylor gets it) 

Posted
On 5/2/2023 at 2:29 PM, tx 3 putt said:

Trumps lawyer doesn’t seem very good …..

 

MAGA. Making Attorneys Get Attorneys

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I would really like to understand why it's not a punishable offense for the false elector lawyer to withhold the immunity deal in an effort to obstruct the prosecution. If you think it was just an oopsie whoopsie, I have a bridge to sell you in Midland TX
Lots of bridges in Midland over abandoned wells, saltwater lagoons. and over troubled frac waters. However, if you're going to drill baby drill anywhere, Midland is the area to fuck shit up, shit was already fucked and unappealing to begin with. No one noticed. That area looks like bombed out Iraq zones from the air.
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5 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

Well, while modern humans are pegged at 200k years ago, pre human types were walking around.   He prolly is fantasizing being an Australopithecus Robustus trying to assault all the Aferensis in sight.  Still a disgusting thought.  Those footsteps in the sandstone are running away from pre human tfg.  

TMI

Posted
4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If Clayton Williams doesn't drop that little nugget of wisdom, he might win, and if he wins, George W. Bush does not become governor when he does (if ever), which means he doesn't become President in 2001, which means no invasion of Iraq in 2003, which cuts way down on the chances of ISIS/etc. rising up as well as the "Arab Spring" and causing problems all across the Middle East and North Africa (that we are still dealing with in 2023).  George W not happening as President from 2001-2008 may mean no Obama as President, or at least in 2009, which definitely means no Trump as President, and no rise of MAGA/Qanon.

One awful little comment three decades ago set the wheels in motion for Trump.  

Fuck me

Posted
43 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

It’s not like he did that himself. So they need to prove he ordered it done.  No slam dunk. 
/aspiring twicehorn

Under a reasonable doubt scheme, very good grasshopper.

But we're getting to a point here where this shit is getting harder and harder to explain.  We're getting way beyond "he said it on TV!!11!1!"

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Posted
43 minutes ago, The Dog said:

NSIAP

 

Trump; “That kid <looks at phone>….Barron……is always messing with the remote. Won’t even talk to me, immediately looks for the remote and turns the volume up.  A remote is an electronic thing, and the camera is an electronic thing, so he likely did it.  I’ll send him to boarding school.  I went to boarding school - the best one, really, very hard to get into.  I did very well on the test. Number one, actually.  Look, we’ll send….the kid…away and you can wrap this witch hunt up..”

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Trump; “That kid <looks at phone>….Barron……is always messing with the remote. Won’t even talk to me, immediately looks for the remote and turns the volume up.  A remote is an electronic thing, and the camera is an electronic thing, so he likely did it.  I’ll send him to boarding school.  I went to boarding school - the best one, really, very hard to get into.  I did very well on the test. Number one, actually.  Look, we’ll send….the kid…away and you can wrap this witch hunt up..”

Person man woman camera tv.

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Posted
On 5/4/2023 at 6:43 PM, Foosters said:

Wouldn't any Federal employee be entitled to make the same claim? 

So, I was focused on 1443, which deals with civil rights violations, as does the case cited by gatorubet. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1443

There's also 1442, which seems initially less controversial as it is an aspect of sovereign immunity by which federal agencies and officials can't be sued in state courts.  It permits removal when the defendant in a civil or criminal action is:

The United States or any agency thereof or any officer (or any person acting under that officer) of the United States or of any agency thereof, in an official or individual capacity, for or relating to any act under color of such office or on account of any right, title or authority claimed under any Act of Congress for the apprehension or punishment of criminals or the collection of the revenue.

That's the provision applied in the case scottsins referenced, and I don't think it's going to help Trump.  But yeah, any federal employee acting under color of office could probably invoke that.

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Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, I was focused on 1443, which deals with civil rights violations, as does the case cited by gatorubet. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1443

There's also 1442, which seems initially less controversial as it is an aspect of sovereign immunity by which federal agencies and officials can't be sued in state courts.  It permits removal when the defendant in a civil or criminal action is:

The United States or any agency thereof or any officer (or any person acting under that officer) of the United States or of any agency thereof, in an official or individual capacity, for or relating to any act under color of such office or on account of any right, title or authority claimed under any Act of Congress for the apprehension or punishment of criminals or the collection of the revenue.

That's the provision applied in the case scottsins referenced, and I don't think it's going to help Trump.  But yeah, any federal employee acting under color of office could probably invoke that.

I admit to not being up on my CFR’s.

Which is the one that talks about the right of a future maybe POTUS to pay off porn stars he slept with so the voting public won’t know right before the election? 

 

 

I know, false documents, and not stormy, but Snark is Snark and a bit is a bit

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5 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I admit to not being up on my CFR’s.

Which is the one that talks about the right of a future maybe POTUS to pay off porn stars he slept with so the voting public won’t know right before the election? 

 

Only law that counts is Bible law. Where in the Bible does it say he isnt supposed to do that?

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10 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I admit to not being up on my CFR’s.

Which is the one that talks about the right of a future maybe POTUS to pay off porn stars he slept with so the voting public won’t know right before the election? 

 

 

I know, false documents, and not stormy, but Snark is Snark and a bit is a bit

United States Code, not Code of Federal Regulations. 🙃

Posted
5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Only law that counts is Bible law. Where in the Bible does it say he isnt supposed to do that?

Two Corinthians or Reservations?

Posted
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

United States Code, not Code of Federal Regulations. 🙃

I was not riffing on removal authority.  But I will…and was your fancy law book in a room with a Fringed Flag?

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

It’s not like he did that himself. So they need to prove he ordered it done.  No slam dunk. 
/aspiring twicehorn


correct 

 

but if you were instructed by the douche to do this, would you rather face obstruction charges or sing like a bird on a plea deal ?

someone made the call on this move 

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6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I was not riffing on removal authority.  But I will…and was your fancy law book in a room with a Fringed Flag?

Mine, no, it was on the intergoogles, but a lot of them are, especially those pertaining to the admiralty jurisdiction.

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7 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

Well, while modern humans are pegged at 200k years ago, pre human types were walking around.   He prolly is fantasizing being an Australopithecus Robustus trying to assault all the Aferensis in sight.  Still a disgusting thought.  Those footsteps in the sandstone are running away from pre human tfg.  

The dog just tried to hump my leg so this hits close to home.

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57 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


correct 

 

but if you were instructed by the douche to do this, would you rather face obstruction charges or sing like a bird on a plea deal ?

someone made the call on this move 

We know there's not going to be a record of trump saying "do this thing for me that is overtly criminal". Cohen told us how he operates, like a monster does. And thank goodness for great lawyers like twice that make sure he'll always be protected by individually assessing each fuckery he does rather than considering the totality of his actions and constantly assuming he's an honest actor that is entitled to the benefit of the doubt. 

BeCaUsE iF wE dOnT gIvE rEaSoNaBlE dOuBt tO tRuMp NoBoDy WiLl GeT iT!!! 

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32 minutes ago, Captainant said:

We know there's not going to be a record of trump saying "do this thing for me that is overtly criminal". Cohen told us how he operates, like a monster does. And thank goodness for great lawyers like twice that make sure he'll always be protected by individually assessing each fuckery he does rather than considering the totality of his actions and constantly assuming he's an honest actor that is entitled to the benefit of the doubt. 

BeCaUsE iF wE dOnT gIvE rEaSoNaBlE dOuBt tO tRuMp NoBoDy WiLl GeT iT!!! 

Fuck.

Off.

Again.

Explaining how reasonable doubt works and how you don't indict a criminal case based on some stupid shit you read on Twitter isn't advocating for Trump's acquittal.

It's explaining "why not done."

No there's probably not going to be a smoking gun, so you have to rely on circumstantial evidence.  And if you want to convict the motherfucker, you gather up all the circumstantial evidence you can put your hands on:  Walt Nauta, Evan Corcoran, the security tapes, the people that altered the security tapes, the people that told the people to alter the security tapes.

And you exclude any reasonable doubt from any prospective jurors mind.

You don't go to court and say, see, Trump said this and it means the worst possible thing because CaptainCunt said he's not an honest actor. 

I thought you said you'd stop being a cunt.

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35 minutes ago, Captainant said:

We know there's not going to be a record of trump saying "do this thing for me that is overtly criminal". Cohen told us how he operates, like a monster does. And thank goodness for great lawyers like twice that make sure he'll always be protected by individually assessing each fuckery he does rather than considering the totality of his actions and constantly assuming he's an honest actor that is entitled to the benefit of the doubt. 

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And double fuck you in your fucking face for accusing me of assuming Trump is an honest actor.

You want to know how to make sure he gets fucking acquitted? 

Take your case to court assuming that he is NOT an honest actor and let that substitute for proof.

Finally, yet again, you seem to be arguing that Trump should not receive the constitutionally required burden of proof.   Who's the fascist again?

I'm not arguing for it or against it.  I'm telling you how it IS and how it's going to work within the framework of how it is.

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:


correct 

 

but if you were instructed by the douche to do this, would you rather face obstruction charges or sing like a bird on a plea deal ?

someone made the call on this move 

You see, though, sing or not, when you accumulate all these little bits of evidence of obstruction, the case becomes more and more convincing.  It may not make it a slam dunk, but all these bits and pieces are turning it into an uncontested layup.

Even if they don't narc out Trump, it becomes harder and harder for defense counsel to create reasonable doubt, and for even the most dubious juror to accept an explanation that it was other than Donald J. Trump that ordered the deletion of portions of the security tapes dealing with document storage.

This niggling, excruciating detail is how you build a convictable criminal case.  And why it takes so goddamn long to do it.

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13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You don't go to court and say, see, Trump said this and it means the worst possible thing because CaptainCunt said he's not an honest actor. 

I thought you said you'd stop being a cunt.

Now who's putting words in mouths? You're giving Annie a run for his money with how far you're misrepresenting what I'm saying. 

I'm saying that based on his fucking history of lying to the public and in conflicting court filings by his legal representation, we should stop being so credulous about all the little things that just happen to add another week or two of delay here or there and continue to creep closer and closer to another election where we are at true peril again. 

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Finally, yet again, you seem to be arguing that Trump should not receive the constitutionally required burden of proof.   Who's the fascist again?

Not what I'm saying, and not what I've posted, but mmmkay. I'm not saying we fucking round him up and put him in a gas chamber - I'm just saying that MAYBE, just MAYBE all of these acts by trumpco to delay shit and obstruct should be responded to in real time by the court system. Rather than letting it happen and delay more and more. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Chooky said:

Honestly, @Captainant, do you seriously blame Twice for all of your "how can this stand" angst?  It's a truly bizarre grudge.  

Thank you, sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The major thing I'm trying to combat here is the impatience.  It's a tedious process.  Lawdogging is one of the most tedious jobs in the world and now finally everyone is kind of getting a taste of the delay and aggravation and water-dripping-on-a-rock that is the practice of law.

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If we let trump get to the 2024 election cycle our democratic process is going to be fucking fucked. 

Texas is going to take away my fucking vote because I live in Harris county. 

We cannot afford to let the clock run with our dicks in our hands. 

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8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Now who's putting words in mouths? You're giving Annie a run for his money with how far you're misrepresenting what I'm saying. 

I'm saying that based on his fucking history of lying to the public and in conflicting court filings by his legal representation, we should stop being so credulous about all the little things that just happen to add another week or two of delay here or there and continue to creep closer and closer to another election where we are at true peril again. 

Not what I'm saying, and not what I've posted, but mmmkay. I'm not saying we fucking round him up and put him in a gas chamber - I'm just saying that MAYBE, just MAYBE all of these acts by trumpco to delay shit and obstruct should be responded to in real time by the court system. Rather than letting it happen and delay more and more. 

Dude, this is real time by the court system.  IT IS LAWDOG REALITY.  Most of Trump's bullshit since the election has been dispensed with in matters of weeks or months, which is fucking light speed in lawyer time.

A week in law time is a femtosecond.  That's reality.  For everyone, rich poor, whatever.

All the things we know or think we know about Trump don't come into the courtroom unless it's by admissible evidence.

It takes time and effort to prepare this stuff.  You can't seem to accept that reality, and for some reason blame me for explaining it to you.

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