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3 hours ago, YChang said:

But I was informed that he's right like 90% of the time tho

Batshit crazy 10-20% of the time was the other part of that. 

 

BTW. Flu shots started shipping last month. I know that some posters were really worried about that this year. Already in some pharmacies. Don't forget to get in early and get your shot before the season gets wound up. 

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On 8/7/2025 at 4:25 PM, Anastasis said:

Batshit crazy 10-20% of the time was the other part of that. 

 

BTW. Flu shots started shipping last month. I know that some posters were really worried about that this year. Already in some pharmacies. Don't forget to get in early and get your shot before the season gets wound up. 

Yep - CVS sent me a text yesterday

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On 8/7/2025 at 4:30 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I just keep asking who stands to profit from these asinine decisions and even that seems elusive. off the chain indeed

The oil companies and the churches and anyone else who stands to profit from a general distrust in science. 

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RFK Jr. looks to be targeting everything that he said he wouldn’t during his confirmations. Crazy that lying means absolutely nothing in DC.

then again Trump was not going to follow Project 2025 and that is the exact playbook 

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Empty calories and shitty industrial manufactured oils… which one is bad for you?

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https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic

industrial manufactured ultra processed foods are bad for you, full stop. Industrial manufactured seed oil is part of that. 

But the idea that shitty French fries become okay if fried in magical fat is fucking stupid. 

occasionally we make hash browns with our breakfast tacos. Only ingredients ? Potatoes, avocado oil, modest amount of salt, pepper and fresh garlic. 

you know what else, when the only ingredient in your potatoes is potatoes and you don’t eat a bunch of other shit food, potatoes can actually be very good for you.

our diets are so fucking out of whack, but hey, beef tallow is going to save us from that sugar bomb headed into our arteries from the fucked up sandwich, potato sticks and diet soda.

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8 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uh, french fries are a risk because they're damn near 100% carbs, not because of the oil they are fried in.  Christ.

The deep frying in oils certainly make it much worse than sliced potatoes that are baked in the oven.

And I enjoy a side of fries every now and then.  But the problem with fries is that a large chunk of the American consumer (1) eats these at a higher frequency than once or twice a month, and (2) eats these along with a main, like a loaded burger or greasy sandwich, that is just as bad if not worse than the fries (and hey, throw in a Coke while you're at it).

I don't mean to declare a war on french fries.  But they are an anchor for a lot of shitty diets in our country.

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1 minute ago, South Austin said:

The deep frying in oils certainly make it much worse than sliced potatoes that are baked in the oven.

And I enjoy a side of fries every now and then.  But the problem with fries is that a large chunk of the American consumer (1) eats these at a higher frequency than once or twice a month, and (2) eats these along with a main, like a loaded burger or greasy sandwich, that is just as bad if not worse than the fries (and hey, throw in a Coke while you're at it).

I don't mean to declare a war on french fries.  But they are an anchor for a lot of shitty diets in our country.

Thinly sliced potatoes and onions tiled in a baker, topped with chopped tomatoes, drizzled with olive oil, salt and pepper? Yes, please.

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58 minutes ago, South Austin said:

The deep frying in oils certainly make it much worse than sliced potatoes that are baked in the oven.

I'm not saying that frying is a particularly healthy way to cook food, but I was focusing on the mention of diabetes.  Regadless, seed oils are higher in unsaturated fats, which are the "healthier" way to go.

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All of the discussion above is ripped from the pages of "DUH! A Journal of the Obvious."

Potatoes.  Some whole/natural fat.  Salt.  None of those three things are bad for you....in moderation.  In fact, all three are a valid part of a decent diet (seriously, potatoes -- a source of easy calories, that can be grown in cooler climates, are legitimately responsible for population growth and stability in northern europe since the Columbian exchange).   But we have known the rule since the Oracle at Delphi: nothing in excess.

And Americans as a whole eat french fried potatoes to excess.

As I've gotten older, I've found that an occasional order of fries -- size small -- is more than enough.  Hell, for one, after about 3-5 minutes, the typical fry loses it's fresh-out-of-the fryer luster.  But those first 10-12 fries, especially if fried in beef fat or duck fat, are glorious.  A good, real-deal english chip, crispy outside and fluffy inside, amazing.  So, cool.  Enjoy them.  Every once in a while.  That's not what we do.  We eat an estimated 17 lbs of fries per person per year, and trust me, some folks are doing the work to keep that average up while others hardly eat fries.

Food dyes aren't what's killing us (even though they're not good for us).  French fries cooked in seed oils aren't what's killing us.  Eating too much shitty food, including those things, is what's killing us.  Eat whole foods.  Eat a relatively balanced diet, including real vegetables and fruit.  But....where's the profit in that?  And it should be obvious by now, the only motive for any policy we have is profit, and particularly profit to the favored (those who have cozied up to the regime).  Look at any policy, see who benefits, and you'll realize that not only are they not looking out for you, they intend only to make money off of you, damn what it does to you.

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30 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Registered dietitian Julia Zumpano, RD, LD, explains what seed oils are, what they can do to your body, and whether you need to cut them out entirely or just try to focus on a healthy, balanced diet.

I read the whole article, did you?  portions of the article on potential negatives of seed oil...

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“Seed oils are made through a chemical process where they’re bleached, refined and heated in order to be usable,” Zumpano explains. That process strips the seeds of their nutrients.”

“Seed oils have high levels of omega-6 fats, which can lead to inflammation,” Zumpano says,

“Seed oils are chemically processed, which may include cleaning, pressing, bleaching, deodorizing, refining and, in some cases, adding a chemical solvent hexane for oil extraction,” Zumpano explains. “The processing of these oils strips the seeds of their nutrients and could potentially add harmful ingredients.”

The end result is oils with no real health benefits — though, this downside isn’t unique to seed oil. Other types of oil can be very processed and refined, too, so it’s always important to pay attention to what you’re buying.

Seed oils are high in linoleic acid, a type of omega-6 fatty acids, which are themselves a type of polyunsaturated fatty acid. Your body needs small amounts of these polyunsaturated fats, which are good for your cholesterol and help protect you from heart disease.

But “a small amount” is the key phrase here. A diet that’s too high in omega-6s is also a diet that’s typically too low in omega-3 fatty acids. The ideal omega-6 to omega-3 ratio is 2:1 or 1:1, but for most people in the U.S., the ratio is actually a whopping 10:1 or even 20:1.

This type of imbalance is thought to lead to inflammation in the body. While a little bit of inflammation is a good thing (it’s your body’s way of healing cell damage), chronic inflammation is definitely not. It’s linked to conditions like:

Again, this doesn’t mean seed oils cause chronic conditions, per se. But a diet high in seed oils can play a role in skewing your body’s delicate balance of omega-6s and omega-3s. This can then contribute to inflammation, which can lead to chronic conditions. So, it’s important to try to keep your diet in balance, on the whole.

Instead of using seed oils at home, Zumpano suggests doing most of your home cooking with oils that are high in heart-healthy omega-3 fatty acids instead of piling on the omega-6s:

“Both of these oils are clinically shown to have higher monounsaturated fats,” Zumpano shares. “They’re not seed-based, and they don’t go through the same type of processing, so they’re very unrefined and even have a lot of nutritional benefits.”

But what about using seed oils at home? Should you throw away that bottle of sunflower oil on your shelf? Experts have varied opinions, but Zumpano believes they should be limited in home cooking.

sunflower oil and all the others if not highly processed themselves are probably decent for you in limited use, she acknowledges that. good luck finding those oils though. she acknowledges that home cooking in limited quantities with seed oil is also unlikely a big problem.

her entire article is BOTH are bad...  which is what I said.

the health reality is that we all think we avoid processed foods, we don't. I eat a pretty fucking healthy diet by American standards and I just analyzed my fucking museli cereal box (no added sugar, mostly whole foods), a fucking kale pasta salad from HEB's deli and a few other "healthy" foods I eat... guess what... scored as processed or lightly ultra processed. A fucking kale salad with some minor bullshit in it to make it last two more days on the shelf, boom.  now it's not the end of the world here, but the point is, we eat processed and lightly processed food ALL THE TIME. 

seed oils as used in our diets are pretty much worthless or inflammatory.

it's 100% worthwhile to get rid of seed oils from your diet when you can chose avacado oil (high smoke point) to cook your organic potatoes. one is healthy, the other is not, even in home cooking.

this shit isn't hard to understand, though at times it's really hard to fully implement.

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1 minute ago, troph said:

I read the whole article, did you?  portions of the article on potential negatives of seed oil...

sunflower oil and all the others if not highly processed themselves are probably decent for you in limited use, she acknowledges that. good luck finding those oils though. she acknowledges that home cooking in limited quantities with seed oil is also unlikely a big problem.

her entire article is BOTH are bad...  which is what I said.

the health reality is that we all think we avoid processed foods, we don't. I eat a pretty fucking healthy diet by American standards and I just analyzed my fucking museli cereal box (no added sugar, mostly whole foods), a fucking kale pasta salad from HEB's deli and a few other "healthy" foods I eat... guess what... scored as processed or lightly ultra processed. A fucking kale salad with some minor bullshit in it to make it last two more days on the shelf, boom.  now it's not the end of the world here, but the point is, we eat processed and lightly processed food ALL THE TIME. 

seed oils as used in our diets are pretty much worthless or inflammatory.

it's 100% worthwhile to get rid of seed oils from your diet when you can chose avacado oil (high smoke point) to cook your organic potatoes. one is healthy, the other is not, even in home cooking.

this shit isn't hard to understand, though at times it's really hard to fully implement.

Quick summary: the boy has two british friends from uni visiting us.  Last night, he introduced them to some "typical" american fare, which of course includes processed foods.  Specifically, a cup of microwavable kraft mac and cheese.  They also bought some Annie's organic mac and cheese earlier in the day.  As one of the girls was eating it, and commented that "it's fine," she read the ingredients.  "Look at this one.  It has seven LINES of ingredients.  The Annie's has seven ingredients total."

Stuff like that is part of our problem.  Want mac and cheese every once in a while?  Buy Annie's.  Or shit, make your own.  Pasta, butter, flour, milk, cheese, a bit of S&P.  But it also shouldn't be a staple.  How many of us know families where there's a kid who ONLY eats chicken nuggets and mac and cheese?  That's fucked up.

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46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The most important question of all:  which restaurant(s) in Austin have the best French fries?

I know I've made this pitch before around here, but I was shocked to conclude that some of the best fries I've ever had are....Bill Miller BBQ.  Because they have always used beef fat.  Don't go there often (because there's not much else there we like, and there's not one nearby), but a small order from there is top notch.  Salty Sow also has really good fries.  What we CAN'T find here is a proper British chip:

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We get 'em when we're in the UK, but again....the order size is ridiculous.  One side of them is more than my wife and I can eat.  

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Quick summary: the boy has two british friends from uni visiting us.  Last night, he introduced them to some "typical" american fare, which of course includes processed foods.  Specifically, a cup of microwavable kraft mac and cheese.  They also bought some Annie's organic mac and cheese earlier in the day.  As one of the girls was eating it, and commented that "it's fine," she read the ingredients.  "Look at this one.  It has seven LINES of ingredients.  The Annie's has seven ingredients total."

Stuff like that is part of our problem.  Want mac and cheese every once in a while?  Buy Annie's.  Or shit, make your own.  Pasta, butter, flour, milk, cheese, a bit of S&P.  But it also shouldn't be a staple.  How many of us know families where there's a kid who ONLY eats chicken nuggets and mac and cheese?  That's fucked up.

it's actually worse than that. I have been auditing ingredient lists in our house, even fresh foods are laced with industrial additives and the seed oils are a hidden one (there's no "-zene" suffix but how that shit is made for mass use is awful). I decided to do this when i thought, shit who are all these people eating ultra processed food all the time. well, it's still not me, but I would have guessed ultra processed, lightly processed 10% of the time?  My FUCKING FRESH KALE PASTA SALAD FROM HEB FRESH FOODS IS FUCKING ULTRA PROCESSED. yeah it has whole foods in it, but it also has 2-3 industrial fucking chemicals in it so it looks better, has shelf life and makes HEB more money/can cost me less.  I mean it's not a bag of Cheetos, but fuck we cannot get away from these chemicals in most households. there's reason to be upset about that and I'm living walking proof that a near perfect diet can help us live better, healthier and longer (a rigid, perfect diet was integral to my overcoming long covid). diet is serious business, avoiding french fries is the canary in the coal mine, the problem goes much, much farther in terms of our for profit capitalistic food system.  it's shit.

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I got nothing to offer, except here's a very unhealthy bowl of Japanese black curry with tons of fried delicious goodness on top of it. I have no idea if it's fried in seed oil or not. image.thumb.jpeg.bfb1ae3c5ae21af3f0cb746ee80d1ae3.jpeg

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The people who called Michelle Obama a communist for suggesting that school meals be healthier, and Michael Bloomberg a fascist for trying to limit sales of soda by the bucket, are now totally on board with the federal government imposing healthy food requirements. Cool, cool, cool. I bet the new found "maha" brigade would still scoff at the concept of "food deserts" which are a very real problem, because woke, dei, or some shit. I fucking hate this country. 

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