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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

How many of those other countries does the United States directly supply with arms and munitions and deploy B-2's on their enemies when they ask us nicely?

 

Are you implying that the US has no national interest in attacking Iran's Nuclear bomb capability?

 

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


He was making the “tu quoque” logical fallacy, in one of its most classic forms.
It’s like the people who deflect our criticism of the cops by arguing “why aren’t you criticizing the criminals???”
Well, because the criminals aren’t supposed to be the good guys…cops are. The criminals don’t work for me, and aren’t paid by my tax dollars…the cops are.
So, yeah…maybe hold Israel, purportedly a democratic, law-abiding state, with a military heavily funded by my neighbors and me, to a slightly higher standard than, say, the criminal, Russian-backed Assad regime in Syria.
That would be the intellectually honest, non-logically fallacious thing to do.

 

Cops and criminals operate in a system of national civil and criminal laws, which include physically enforceable penalties. International geopolitical relations don't exist in classroom, or a courtroom. They are a jungle. Thinking the ICC, or the UN, have any actual enforceable power, is a fallacy.

International law, and diplomatic relations, are great things... up to a point. Once one of the parties has shown they routinely can't be trusted to operate within the principles of the agreed framework, international law is only good for lawyers and idealists to mentally masturbate themselves into believing in "higher standards".

It's nice when two civilized nations can negotiate in good faith, and be trusted to uphold their word. Does Iran operate that way? Can they be trusted? No. So they don't get treated like they operate in good faith, or to a "higher standard".

I don't like Trump, and Israel is far from lily white in their actions, but them attacking Iran's nuclear bomb plans was a good thing. Whataboutism invoking Israel doesn't move me at all. Iran got what was coming to them, the only complaint was that it should have happened 46 years ago.

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2 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

The point the speaker is trying to make is that the criticism is much more strident when it's convenient to criticize Israel for perceived inhumanity, but conveniently quiet when it comes to criticizing any other country. Even when the numbers are orders of magnitude larger. What point do you think he was trying to make?

Whether the criticism is “more strident” or not, do you disagree that the criticism is warranted?

Because bitching about who gets criticized more loudly is an irrelevant distraction. But “irrelevant distraction” pretty much sums up your contributions on this board.

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10 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Whether the criticism is “more strident” or not, do you disagree that the criticism is warranted?

Because bitching about who gets criticized more loudly is an irrelevant distraction. But “irrelevant distraction” pretty much sums up your contributions on this board.

Weird how the criticism of Israel is loudest in the thread about Israel, isn't it?

I suppose we could start the "The 'We Actually Did 9/11' Country Has Been Genociding Yemen For 10 Years And Yet They're Still Our Allies" thread so we can criticize Saudi Arabia. Plenty of places we can take this.

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46 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Weird how the criticism of Israel is loudest in the thread about Israel, isn't it?

I suppose we could start the "The 'We Actually Did 9/11' Country Has Been Genociding Yemen For 10 Years And Yet They're Still Our Allies" thread so we can criticize Saudi Arabia. Plenty of places we can take this.

It’s a stupid fucking distraction and always has been. It’s the equivalent of going in for surgery to remove a malignant tumor and the surgeon saying “Why should we scrutinize this tumor when your arteries are calcifying?” 

The internet is littered with this kind of diversionary whatboutist propaganda. Shit, it’s basically the Anastasis playbook.

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