Jump to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.

Surly Horns

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (⋮) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.
Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business & Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Advertise... Tailgate Donations

2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

Featured Replies

  • Replies 56.6k
  • Views 3.7m
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Most Popular Posts

  • I don't post all that often, though don't mistake that for not enjoying this board's discourse, OUsucks/Texags point and laughs, and quality original content on a frequent basis. I haven't felt t

  • Clintonaldo
    Clintonaldo

    Just had an interesting conversation with wife. Her: Hey Wednesday I need you to pick our son up Me: ok but be home by 4 because I am going to Chili’s for some internet friends. Her: You are mee

  • Old Freak Nasty
    Old Freak Nasty

    I am an American Indian, born in rural Pennsylvania while my dad attended Penn State for graduate school in the 70s.  He was accepted by all on campus, but encountered plenty of racism when outside of

Posted Images

32 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I'll caveat by saying 1) I agree with you competely just playign devil's advocate and b) I think our best bet is Biden/Harris still.

But the question from your post is-- is she ATL / Detroit / Philly type black? To take from the recent reports from the other VP, she seems more likely to have a kid named Vivek than Darrel, and she was a former cop which the GQP memes as a horrible thing while also purporting to be the party of "Back the Blue" so the irony is THICK

Definitely a risk.  But I think her intellectual/cop background will take a back seat to the fact that at the end of the day, she is a black woman.  I think she can reach black women in Atlanta, and that’s really all it’ll take.

Again though, he's the oldest candidate for President and President ever. That does carry weight with people. He barely won before and it took Covid and a complete stopdown of our economy to do that. Yes, he's done good things but the reality of his age was always there. Then a bad debate and interviews make it worse. 

2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens wing of the Republican Party would be literally frothing at mouth about a Harris/Shapiro ticket and we all know why.

That's fucking good news for moderates. 

25 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

waynes world party GIF

Pass the poi mahalo

  • Author
12 minutes ago, immamac said:

What is black Twitter saying?

Top 5 hottest political posts in order on r/BlackPeopleTwitter (I refuse to go to Elmo Mush's site):

 

Biden’s biggest failure was neglecting the rising fascist movement which will destroy him and many others.  Obama made the same mistake with the tea party but him being the first Black President, I imagine, made it more politically difficult to combat with a frontal assault.  Biden had all the white privilege in the world and his administration decided to do as little as possible to stop Trump’s GQP movement.  No expanding the courts, no real push to dismantle the electoral college, appointed possibly the weakest attorney general in history, and didn’t do much to tangibly improve the lives of everyday working folks during one of the more difficult times in American history.  Yeah the stock market and the “economy” are doing great but only the rich give a shit about that stuff and only a few make a connection to politics.

There’s also a laundry list of stuff he campaigned on in 2020 that he made no real effort to even advocate for, such as a public option on healthcare. And most notably missing from Biden’s agenda was a robust anti-corruption legislation package, which would have been massively popular across the political landscape if marketed properly and highly needed. 

You can say Biden did some good things as president, and that’s true but on the whole he catastrophically missed the moment with his presidency and that’s partially why we’re in this dark place.  

2 hours ago, gmr548 said:

The fuck does Andy Beshear bring to the ticket? I promise you 75% of America has no idea who that is.

He puts Ohio in play.

My Veep power rankings

1) Whitmer (wins Michigan, but don’t think she wants it. Could win a floor vote at the convention and Will come into 2028 as the prohibitive favorite for the presidential nom if Biden/Harris loses)

2) Bashear (puts Ohio in play, raises his profile)

3) Shapiro (wins, PA but I don’t think he wants it)

4) Coop (puts NC in play)

5) Pete (best talker)

6) Kelly (too important to lose as a senator)

1 hour ago, TexasHooch said:

I think it's exactly the opposite.  They'll shift to, "she's been pulling the strings all along".

She’s been doing one hell of a job. 

Ohio is not even close to in play. No matter who the Dems run. Joe/ C’mon Man /Biden

Edited by Firemans4Horn

42 minutes ago, troph said:

the other side you have all of that (old senile man) PLUS convicted felon, rapist, child rapist, insurrectionist, etc. etc. and not a peep about him being unfit for office.

Starship Troopers GIF

3 minutes ago, troph said:

He's toast man. I'm fucking livid about it.

 

At this point he is unelectable and the fact that Trump is electable and Biden isn't has nothing to do with the underlying circumstance and has EVERYTHING to do with the disparate reactions to the circumstances.

So you want to keep showing up here bitching about how fucked up American society is, how stupid and amoral much of it has become, and ignoring how Biden isn't treated the same as Trump by completely different people and the media...to the people that generally agree with you. Ok. 

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He puts Ohio in play.

My Veep power rankings

1) Whitmer (wins Michigan, but don’t think she wants it. Could win a floor vote at the convention and Will come into 2028 as the prohibitive favorite for the presidential nom if Biden/Harris loses)

2) Bashear (puts Ohio in play, raises his profile)

3) Shapiro (wins, PA but I don’t think he wants it)

4) Coop (puts NC in play)

5) Pete (best talker)

6) Kelly (too important to lose as a senator)

Why exactly does Beshear put Ohio in play? I'm not sure Jim Brown revived from the dead as a white democrat puts Ohio in play, much less a Governor of Kentucky. 

oh leave her alone, she's venting just like i did in a place specifically created for that

Ohio is lost. It's about as red as Texas or Florida now.

  • Popular Post
15 minutes ago, troph said:

that's half the equation. the second half is how the Party and the media reacted. Trump led an insurrection for Christ's sake and he's still in the running. The circumstance + the reaction = the result. You are correct about the circumstance but you are ignoring the reaction. The Party turbo fucked Biden in their reaction to the circumstance and the media seeking ratings and readers for profit jumped on it.

as for close elections, we won't have wide margins of victories for at least another 4-5 cycles. Biden actually did quite well against an incumbent and the second highest margin of victory since 2000.

image.png.3a3aa6143a3be07b373362321a8f44c5.png

 

Look, it's fine to be frustrated with the situation, but I will not accept that millions of people collectively agreeing at the same time that this dude cannot be our President is a bad thing.

This wasn't some power grab or coup based on difference in policy.  This wasn't some long simmering feud where everyone was waiting for a moment to strike.  Biden had 100% party support prior to June 27.  This was a genuine, impromptu reaction to what was playing out before our eyes, and I do not accept that the answer is blind loyalty.

Additionally, being able to effectively and persuasively communicate is, like, THE most important skill for a President, and it's silly to blame the media for pointing out when a candidate clearly can no longer do this.

Biden has done a great job and I hate that he is in this current state.  But asking Democrats to ignore their eyes and vote for Joe no matter what, especially after 8 straight years of demonizing Republicans who do the same, is not the path to victory.  

Edited by Chuckie Finster

2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Never heard of Shapiro until 2 days ago

Texans don't have any good reason to have heard of him.  The people of the blue wall know him.

1 hour ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

She would be well-served to keep that face buried.

image.gif.6ecb27262bd00fe027c3cb6076335da7.gif

And there’s the answer for what is actually happening. 

Watching Pete tear JD Vance limb from limb in the VP debate sure would be fun. 

Dems need someone to articulate the case right now. No one can do that better than Pete. 

Just now, troph said:

win at (almost) all costs is the goal in politics. that to me meant rally around Biden. the Republicans get it, they will do anything with their win at all costs mentality. it means we are already playing against a stacked deck.

But that's the thing, every piece of evidence is SCREAMING that sticking with Biden is a sure loss.  The deck we are playing against is stacked, whether or not we replace Joe.

Yes, running up the middle is a more predictable path that theoretically could work, but there's a reason teams attempt a Hail Mary when they are 50 yards from the end zone on their last play.

  • Author
9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Ohio is lost. It's about as red as Texas or Florida now.

It's redder than both Texas and Florida. (2020 elections results)

image.thumb.png.0f990a5cd328778ce3b032938001153f.png

32 minutes ago, troph said:

The reality is the media isn't doing a @StassneyHorn touting the all time stock market highs under Biden, no they won't even touch it?

Probably wouldn't matter much if they did... in America, 93% of stocks are owned by the top 10%.  The bottom 50% only account for 1% of stock ownership.

Most people are more concerned with grocery and gas prices.

5 minutes ago, troph said:

What the fuck do you think this board is for? Yeah I'll bitch as loud and as often as I want. and actually people here don't agree with me, most are arguing the exact opposite with me. They want him to step down. I think the reaction to Biden's debate (including most here) was a devastating response that puts the election in jeopardy.

 

No one is telling you not to bitch, you've literally just demonstrated in this post above the illogical histrionics at play in your thought process:

You think Biden's debate was devestating and put the election in jeopardy, but you're firmly believe that the Democratic response should be to rally around Biden and near him down. Do you want to ignore the forest for the tress any more? Because fundamentally Democratic Voters and the Republican Base are very, very different creatures, and yet you're pissed off that the Democratic party, which mostly represents their base, doesn't behave like stupid lunatic low IQ Trumpers. Gosh, we're sorry that the overwhelming perception among democrats is that biden should step down, and no one thinks he can win anymore, and even you think the debate was devastataing, BUT BY GAWD WITH DEMOCRACY AT STAKE LETS RALLY BEHIND THIS LOSING HAND AND PUSH IT ALL IN! 

You're upset we don't act like dumb, low IQ trump syophantic fascists and back a losing hand. It makes no sense. 

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Watching Pete tear JD Vance limb from limb in the VP debate sure would be fun. 

Dems need someone to articulate the case right now. No one can do that better than Pete. 

I don't think adding a gay McKenzie guy to a black woman ticket is going to help. I'd love to see it to. But America is fucking still backwards. 

5 minutes ago, troph said:

Season 4 Wow GIF by The Office

 

Citzens United to the rescue.

Fuck my life.

Follow the money, always.

Katy Tur and her cleavage quoting someone close to Biden as saying "We're nearing the end". Hopefully they mean his campaign. 

1 hour ago, immamac said:

The only way to do this is for Kamala to kill and eat Joe live on the air. Leave no doubt. Put the fear of kamamala in our foreign adversaries. Assert dominance. 

Is that an official act?

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Wut?  I'd never heard of him until a few pages ago, and I doubt I'm in the minority.

Also, for those saying Beshear couldn't carry KY, he has a 65% approval rating.

Poll: Beshear most popular Democrat governor again - Lane Report | Kentucky Business & Economic News

The right wing media appluads your ability to quote completely out of context. What I said was, "Shaprio has high name recognition and approval in a must-have state for Democrats."

Do you live in PA?

22 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He puts Ohio in play.

My Veep power rankings

1) Whitmer (wins Michigan, but don’t think she wants it. Could win a floor vote at the convention and Will come into 2028 as the prohibitive favorite for the presidential nom if Biden/Harris loses)

2) Bashear (puts Ohio in play, raises his profile)

3) Shapiro (wins, PA but I don’t think he wants it)

4) Coop (puts NC in play)

5) Pete (best talker)

6) Kelly (too important to lose as a senator)

Uh, gonna need to show your work on a VP moving a state 10 points lol

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You're upset we don't act like dumb, low IQ trump syophantic fascists and back a losing hand. It makes no sense. 

She is saying that it is only losing hand because we are folding on a flop where we didn't make a pair, but have both flush and straight draws. You don't fold there. You bet into it. The GOP is winning doing exactly that. Dems are too stupid to play the game the way it needs to be played. Replacing Joe may work. But it only works if everyone unites behind the new pick (like they should have united behind GOP). What I worry is that Dems will do the exact same panic maneuver and eat their own as soon as something even slightly negative comes out about the new candidate. 

Edited by Dahobbs

Just now, Dahobbs said:

She is saying that is only losing hand because we are folding on a flop where we didn't make a pair, but have both flush and straight draws. You don't fold there. You bet into it. The GOP is winning doing exactly that. Dems are too stupid to play the game the way it needs to be played. Replacing Joe may work. But it only works if everyone unites behind the new pick (like they should have united behind GOP). What I worry is that Dems will do the exact same panic maneuver and eat their own as soon as something even slightly negative comes out about the new candidate. 

The one thing I'm very disappointed with Joe for is he told us he was only going to serve one term.  Then he changed his mind.  That effectively robbed the Dem party of a legitimate primary to get younger blood on the ballot.  

But that's spilled milk now.

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Probably wouldn't matter much if they did... in America, 93% of stocks are owned by the top 10%.  The bottom 50% only account for 1% of stock ownership.

Most people are more concerned with grocery and gas prices.

data shows that the majority of Americans contribute to a retirement plan (70%), though contributions vary by generation: Only 47% of Gen Zers say they save in a retirement plan, such as a 401(k) or 403 (b), compared to 75% of Millennials and 76% of Gen Xers.


https://www.empower.com/the-currency/life/average-401k-balance-age#:~:text=Empower data shows that the,and 76% of Gen Xers.

 

Just now, gmr548 said:

Uh, gonna need to show your work on a VP moving a state 10 points lol

Yeah, Beshear does not put Ohio (or Kentucky, lulz) into play.  Not even if he had a 99% approval rating.  Does he have some cred for speaking to WWC voters?  Oh yeah, no one would mistake Kentucky for California and he won it twice. 

Shapiro won PA easily.  Dude would lock up the most pivotal state for the Dems. 

6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

She is saying that it is only losing hand because we are folding on a flop where we didn't make a pair, but have both flush and straight draws. You don't fold there. You bet into it. The GOP is winning doing exactly that. Dems are too stupid to play the game the way it needs to be played. Replacing Joe may work. But it only works if everyone unites behind the new pick (like they should have united behind GOP). What I worry is that Dems will do the exact same panic maneuver and eat their own as soon as something even slightly negative comes out about the new candidate. 

Eek. Should have united by Joe is what that should have said. 

Biden still isn’t willing to drop out

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Form the guy who has basically predicted every presidential election right since 1864

 

 

I'm not sure how you can say, right now, that Biden gives the dems the best chance to win. It seems like reality is the exact opposite of that, fair or not.

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Form the guy who has basically predicted every presidential election right since 1864

 

 

Agreed. As I've said before you also break the glass ceiling on a female being president. You give her direct experience in the job, albeit short experience. Her running mate is VP and if the Republicans stand in the way, they will once again be standing in the way of the peaceful transition of power. This time they screw with the succession to be president at a time when one candidate almost had half his brain taken off. 

Just now, mdmost said:

Agreed. As I've said before you also break the glass ceiling on a female being president. You give her direct experience in the job, albeit short experience. Her running mate is VP and if the Republicans stand in the way, they will once again be standing in the way of the peaceful transition of power. This time they screw with the succession to be president at a time when one candidate almost had half his brain taken off. 

While I hate the idea of him leaving as President (because I think he has been great), I do find this argument fairly compelling. 

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

She is saying that it is only losing hand because we are folding on a flop where we didn't make a pair, but have both flush and straight draws. You don't fold there. You bet into it. The GOP is winning doing exactly that. Dems are too stupid to play the game the way it needs to be played. Replacing Joe may work. But it only works if everyone unites behind the new pick (like they should have united behind GOP). What I worry is that Dems will do the exact same panic maneuver and eat their own as soon as something even slightly negative comes out about the new candidate. 

The GOP is behaving that way becuase they have 8 years of evidence proving that behaving that way works for their voters. Behaving that way doesn't work for Joe Biden. The media aparatus tears down Biden, and they won't tear down trump. You think keeping Biden in play has straight and flush draws, but it doesn't. That's your fantastyland. But you're asking people to believe it and bet into it. That doesn't work on the voters you're attempting to sway. Period.

Need more proof? Look at polling of democrats who think biden should drop out. Look at media coverage. Look at donations drying up. Look at top Democratic officials including obama telling him it's over. You can lament that this is the way it works, this is the way society in America has devolved into, fine, I lament all those fucking things too. But don't ask me to ostrich my head in the sand and pretend all is well. It's not. 

2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

data shows that the majority of Americans contribute to a retirement plan (70%), though contributions vary by generation: Only 47% of Gen Zers say they save in a retirement plan, such as a 401(k) or 403 (b), compared to 75% of Millennials and 76% of Gen Xers.


https://www.empower.com/the-currency/life/average-401k-balance-age#:~:text=Empower data shows that the,and 76% of Gen Xers.

 

I can only speak to myself, but I didn't have much access to 401k plans in my early jobs after college. I only got those as I moved forward in my career. I'm sure it's even worse for Gen Zers. 

2 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Biden still isn’t willing to drop out

Pushback from Biden world

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

Biden still isn’t willing to drop out

That.... is not what happened at all in 2015?

Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business & Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Advertise... Tailgate Donations

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.