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4 hours ago, 'stache said:

Why would he sit out? Players only do that for meaningless bowl games. It would be the biggest game in Boise State history.

 

 

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6 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

I don't think the PC wants the first round chalk full of paired off conference rivals

Honestly it's bad for "business" that being business being ratings.

They will want ND for example to play another Helmet blue bloods if possible in early or later round match up. Texas, Georgia, Bama for example.

ND vs SEC loser in first round, with them matching up much later vs the SEC winner. 

Then they'll look for big cross regional matchups where they can get them Georgia vs Oregon or a Arizona State vs Penn State in the first round. 

That won't be the primary guide for seeding but will absolutely be a substantial factor. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I’m talking about going into the game, neither of those was for a national title shot.

But this is just quarterfinals so far, not even semifinals. It's still distant to the final.

In 09 it was undefeated vs undefeated and they were vying to earn the best finish in school history (even if not in the actual ncg.. they ended up at #2 in coaches poll).

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Posted
1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

So it’s completely possible that if Boise State wins out and Tulane wins out, the Big 12 gets shut out from the CFP altogether? 

This shit keeps getting better and better. 

Feels unlikely. Tulane has 2 losses to Big 12 teams. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

So it’s completely possible that if Boise State wins out and Tulane wins out, the Big 12 gets shut out from the CFP altogether? 

This shit keeps getting better and better. 

At this point if they shoved CU in and left out the Big 12 champ, I wouldn't even be surprised.

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Honestly it's bad for "business" that being business being ratings.

They will want ND for example to play another Helmet blue bloods if possible in early or later round match up. Texas, Georgia, Bama for example.

ND vs SEC loser in first round, with them matching up much later vs the SEC winner. 

Then they'll look for big cross regional matchups where they can get them Georgia vs Oregon or a Arizona State vs Penn State in the first round. 

That won't be the primary guide for seeding but will absolutely be a substantial factor. 

Yep. I guess if the big12 team has only 2 losses they will squeak in. But in general I think Boise State is much more marketable than all of the remaining big12 teams besides Colorado.

If the rig12 officials don't push Colorado though they run a real risk of getting left out, depending on who wins and how they play. Arizona State with their best wins being Iowa State and BYU? Losing to Texas Tech and Cincinnati and still make the playoff? 

 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Feels unlikely. Tulane has 2 losses to Big 12 teams. 

Probably. Still, we may not have this talk every year, but it will happen again. It does no good for the Big XII to keep being compared to the Mountain West or AAC, instead of SEC or B1G. 
 
The best thing the B12 has going for it is its media revenue (although worst of the so called P4). The second best thing it has going for it is that its contract is for seven more years. There is a really good chance that the next contract is a big disappointment. 

Posted
10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Feels unlikely. Tulane has 2 losses to Big 12 teams. 

Tulane would have beaten a very good Memphis and a good Army to close out their run. I am not saying it’s likely, but it’s closer than people think it is. 

Also, OU is not a Big 12 team any more. 

Posted
Just now, closetojumping said:

Tulane would have beaten a very good Memphis and a good Army to close out their run. I am not saying it’s likely, but it’s closer than people think it is. 

Also, OU is not a Big 12 team any more. 

Okay it’s early. And they’ve played like one 

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I know I’ve said this a few times in the Left Behind thread, but the Big 12 needs to stop scheduling cupcakes in the non-con. They are pussifying their OOCs and adding FCS and G6 opponents almost exclusively.  That’s not going to help their arguments.

A few 10 win teams that beat even middling P4 OOC teams and avoided FCS games would be able to proudly pound their chest that both belong in the CFP irrespective of Big 12 title game results. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Pimphand said:

I don't see Tulane getting in over a 2 loss B12 champ however if full chaos erupts and 3 of the 4 2 loss teams lose and the 3 loss team wins the CCG you could be in business

Yeah, that’s what I meant by “completely possible”. You’d have to have further chaos in the Big 12 before Tulane is a candidate. That’s said, we’re only talking about ASU and ISU each losing another game for it to be a legit thing. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I know I’ve said this a few times in the Left Behind thread, but the Big 12 needs to stop scheduling cupcakes in the non-con. They are pussifying their OOCs and adding FCS and G6 opponents almost exclusively.  That’s not going to help their arguments.

A few 10 win teams that beat even middling P4 OOC teams and avoided FCS games would be able to proudly pound their chest that both belong in the CFP irrespective of Big 12 title game results. 

I agree 100% but outside of Colorado, they will never do it. Most of them still have the Bill Snyder/Baylor scheduling philosophy of get to 6 wins no matter what, get that bowl paycheck, and don't get the coach fired. They aren't serious about winning or building their brands. They never were. That's one of the reasons we had to get the fuck out of that conference -- they added no value in the non-conference schedule, took zero risks to build themselves up, and were satisfied with a fatwa win over Texas or OU every now and then and cashing that check. 

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10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I know I’ve said this a few times in the Left Behind thread, but the Big 12 needs to stop scheduling cupcakes in the non-con. They are pussifying their OOCs and adding FCS and G6 opponents almost exclusively.  That’s not going to help their arguments.

A few 10 win teams that beat even middling P4 OOC teams and avoided FCS games would be able to proudly pound their chest that both belong in the CFP irrespective of Big 12 title game results. 

They will have to break form from the Snyder model of program building, that so many B12 schools adopted. 
 
The other part of the problem is getting good P4 programs scheduled. The best programs don’t want to go on the road to play in. 45k seat stadium. 
 
Edited- “Jinx, Mitch”

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You keep saying things that have no basis in reality.

ACC: 8 of 17 teams averaging under 45k
Big 12: 6 of 16 teams averaging under 45k

Every time you post something about the Big 12 it just confirms that it's a better conference with better fan interest than the ACC.

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I have a hard time seeing a 10-3 Big 12 champ getting left out in favor of Tulane. The one legit path for the Big 12 to get shut out involved Army going undefeated and that’s done. 

Posted (edited)

JFC, you guys are a broken record with alternative facts. Every Big XII team has at least one P4 non-con on their schedule these days (UH and Tech playing Oregon State being the only realignment related exception). Nobody is doing the Bill Snyder schedule anymore and haven't for more than a decade. Of course, some matchups are way better than others, but they aren't all G6 and FCS. Here's are the Big XII P4 noncon matchups for next year:

KSU @ Arizona (pre-realignment noncon)

ASU @ Miss St.

Auburn @ Baylor

Baylor @ SMU

Stanford @ BYU

Cincy v. Nebraska

GT @ Colorado

UH @ Oregon State (non P4 anymore but still good)

ISU v. Iowa

KU @ Mizzou

TCU @ UNC

SMU @ TCU

OKST @ Oregon (FUCK!)

Tech v. Oregon State (see UH above)

UCF v. UNC

Utah @ UCLA

Pitt @ WVU

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Posted
2 hours ago, 'stache said:

I’m talking about going into the game, neither of those was for a national title shot.

Yep. But the first one was funny and made that bowl game rank up near the top of my list.

Posted
16 minutes ago, EastTexan said:

Yep. But the first one was funny and made that bowl game rank up near the top of my list.

Very true, I was watching with my then brother-in-law, an OU fan who never attended and held some online degree from university of something. It was glorious.

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42 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Strange year in cfb. I'm having a hard time coming up with 12 worthy teams, but I guess that was the point of an expanded playoff.

Yup. Gonna be a lot of angry SEC fans .

Another round of chaos this weekend could lead to the playoffs getting totally neutered if some of these bubble teams lose again and school like Tulane and other mids sneak in 

 

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On 11/24/2024 at 4:52 PM, Dutchrudder said:

Notre Dames SOS is very weak. Their best wins are A&M and Army, neither of which are playoff teams. Army has played zero good teams. If ND lost a conference championship game in 2 weeks, they could be left out, but alas they don't have the burden of a CCG and instead benefit from a cupcake schedule every year. 

They're in as long as they win their last game.  Never a given, but ND has been playing really well.  Probably more dangerous than we want to give them.

On 11/24/2024 at 9:10 PM, Hermanator said:

Should go back to a BCS style but updated algorithm that takes into account strength of schedule. 

The Big 10 and SEC champion get auto bid. The best ranked next 2 conference champions get the final 2 auto bids. 

Then go down the line starting at 1 to fill in the rest. 

That's the way it should be, but will never happen because CFB doesn't want to give away it's power to make matchups for TV ratings. 

As long as the auto bids don't lead to auto seeds.  The idea that the Top 4 conference Champs automatically get the Top 4 seeds is silly in College football.  It's not the NFL with equal scheduling.

There is no reason an 8th ranked Miami and 10-11th ranked Big 12 or Boise should be the 3 and 4 seed.

19 hours ago, The Dog said:

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would much rather face the Clemson/Penn St winner than what looks like to me, a good ND team(i know they lost to NIU).

Also Kanell has such an SEC bias it isn't funny.  He's on a podcast i listen to and he did nothing be tear apart Texas' schedule and the way the offense has been the last 5 weeks or so.

Ignored the Texas Defense being dominant or literally beating 3 teams in a row that have beaten top playoff contenders.

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

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I just do not see the ACC title game loser getting in.

I think if Clemson beats SCAR they could get in...but either Miami or SMU(especially SMU unfortunately) would be left out and i bet either Clemson/SCAR winner or Bama would take that spot.

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Posted (edited)

I just don't think they can "punish" SMU for losing the CCG. If they play Miami and lose then either Miami is the lone ACC team, or Miami and SMU are both in, they can't just let Clemson leapfrog SMU in that scenario. Otherwise, they are confirming all of the concerns that CCG's can be a negative with more risk than reward. They are trying desparately to avoid that perception.

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Just now, 'stache said:

I just don't think they can "punish" SMU for losing the CCG. If they play Miami and lose then either Miami is the lone ACC team, or Miami and SMU are both in, they can't just let Clemson leapfrom SMU in that scenario. Otherwise, they are confirming all of the concerns that CCG's are a negative and come with more risk than reward. They are trying desparately to avoid that perception.

The only way SMU gets punished for losing the CCG is if they lose 59-0 or something. 

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48 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

My hope is that the SEC gets served a giant shit sandwich this year and every year forward. The majority of the SEC fans are mouthbreathing rubes and the media fellatio given to the SEC has always been sickening. Texas showing up and mostly rolling through the "grind" should shut a lot of the nonsense up, but it hasn't. "They're all cannibalizing each other!" Sure. Or, most of the teams are mediocre and should not be getting the benefit of the doubt. Don't lose home games to Kentucky. Don't get blown out by OU. Maybe win the gimme against Arkansas or Vanderbilt or Florida.

Preach.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

re: the rig getting left out, i can't remember who posted this and in what thread but i saved it because if this comes to pass supposedly it's rape & tceh in the rig final guaranteeing a 4-loss yormark trophy:

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Each result individually is plausible, but all of them happening together seems really, really unlikely. It would be absolutely nuts if it happened though, lol.

Posted
3 hours ago, 'stache said:

JFC, you guys are a broken record with alternative facts. Every Big XII team has at least one P4 non-con on their schedule these days (UH and Tech playing Oregon State being the only realignment related exception). Nobody is doing the Bill Snyder schedule anymore and haven't for more than a decade. Of course, some matchups are way better than others, but they aren't all G6 and FCS. Here's are the Big XII P4 noncon matchups for next year:

KSU @ Arizona (pre-realignment noncon)

ASU @ Miss St.

Auburn @ Baylor

Baylor @ SMU

Stanford @ BYU

Cincy v. Nebraska

GT @ Colorado

UH @ Oregon State (non P4 anymore but still good)

ISU v. Iowa

KU @ Mizzou

TCU @ UNC

SMU @ TCU

OKST @ Oregon (FUCK!)

Tech v. Oregon State (see UH above)

UCF v. UNC

Utah @ UCLA

Pitt @ WVU

At least one P4 non-conference game? More like, EXACTLY one P4 non-conference game, and then a bunch of glorified scrimmages. And outside of Oregon, who on that list will be even ranked in the top 25 next year? There aren't exactly a ton of top programs on that slate. I don't care how good of a year SMU is having, you don't get to point to them as strong scheduling when those matches were made when they were in the AAC. You should be playing Oklahoma this Saturday for the love of God. 

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31 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

At least one P4 non-conference game? More like, EXACTLY one P4 non-conference game, and then a bunch of glorified scrimmages. And outside of Oregon, who on that list will be even ranked in the top 25 next year? There aren't exactly a ton of top programs on that slate. I don't care how good of a year SMU is having, you don't get to point to them as strong scheduling when those matches were made when they were in the AAC. You should be playing Oklahoma this Saturday for the love of God. 

With 4 non-cons to play with, 13 of the 16 SEC schools play only one P4 non-con game in 2025: Arky (v. ND); Auburn (v. Baylor); UGA (v. GT); UK (v Lou); LSU (v. Clemson); MSU (v. Ariz. St.); Mizzou (v. KU); OU (v. Mich);  Ole Miss (v. Wash St); Tenn (v. Syracuse in ATL); UT (v. Ohio State); Aggy (v. ND); Vandy (v. VT)

Granted, some of them are helmet school matchups that the Big XII won't get, because we don't have any helmet schools left: Bama-FSU; LSU-Clemson; OU-Mich; UT-Ohio St.

Some non-helmet schools have good matchups: Arky-ND; UF-FSU & Miami; South Carolina-Clemson & VT; Aggy-ND.

Every SEC school but Texas has an FCS opponent.

The SEC is better than the Big XII by every metric, including more big time non-con matchups. I just have to always push back on the notion that the Big XII schedules nothing but scrimages in the non-con and are somehow unique. The 9 game conference schedule is also a factor as shown above with the conference strength of schedule metric.

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19 minutes ago, 'stache said:

With 4 non-cons to play with, 13 of the 16 SEC schools play only one P4 non-con game in 2025: Arky (v. ND); Auburn (v. Baylor); UGA (v. GT); UK (v Lou); LSU (v. Clemson); MSU (v. Ariz. St.); Mizzou (v. KU); OU (v. Mich);  Ole Miss (v. Wash St); Tenn (v. Syracuse in ATL); UT (v. Ohio State); Aggy (v. ND); Vandy (v. VT)

Granted, some of them are helmet school matchups that the Big XII won't get, because we don't have any helmet schools left: Bama-FSU; LSU-Clemson; OU-Mich; UT-Ohio St.

Some non-helmet schools have good matchups: Arky-ND; UF-FSU & Miami; South Carolina-Clemson & VT; Aggy-ND.

Every SEC school but Texas has an FCS opponent.

The SEC is better than the Big XII by every metric, including more big time non-con matchups. I just have to always push back on the notion that the Big XII schedules nothing but scrimages in the non-con and are somehow unique. The 9 game conference schedule is also a factor as shown above with the conference strength of schedule metric.

This post appears to be some sort of exercise in performance art. It somehow snakes its way through avoiding the point in its rebuttal altogether. It’s kind of fascinating, really. 

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6 hours ago, alincoln said:

Exactly.  A made for television event is going to be made for television. 

Another reason to hate/ignore many playoff games. 

6 hours ago, 'stache said:

I’m talking about going into the game, neither of those was for a national title shot.

 

6 hours ago, 52-80 said:

But this is just quarterfinals so far, not even semifinals. It's still distant to the final.

In 09 it was undefeated vs undefeated and they were vying to earn the best finish in school history (even if not in the actual ncg.. they ended up at #2 in coaches poll).

I give Boise a share of the 2009 title.

4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I know I’ve said this a few times in the Left Behind thread, but the Big 12 needs to stop scheduling cupcakes in the non-con. They are pussifying their OOCs and adding FCS and G6 opponents almost exclusively.  That’s not going to help their arguments.

A few 10 win teams that beat even middling P4 OOC teams and avoided FCS games would be able to proudly pound their chest that both belong in the CFP irrespective of Big 12 title game results. 

Not seeing a big12 exclusion this year.  You would need multiple 13-0/12-1 teams from the G5 AND the polarization that got an 11-1 IU team to also occur in the SEC.  It doesn't have to be the Big12 champion, they can take a non-champ with fewer losses. 

 

For scheduling wins vs quality OOC I think the difference is infinitesimal.  The inflated playoff leaves room for both the two big conferences and any small team with a pretty W-L column.  

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5 hours ago, Zeus said:

Yep. I guess if the big12 team has only 2 losses they will squeak in. But in general I think Boise State is much more marketable than all of the remaining big12 teams besides Colorado.

If the rig12 officials don't push Colorado though they run a real risk of getting left out, depending on who wins and how they play. Arizona State with their best wins being Iowa State and BYU? Losing to Texas Tech and Cincinnati and still make the playoff? 

 

I think the Big 12 champ gets in as long as they don't have 4 losses.  They will get a boost by winning that game.  A G5 champ game winner isn't going to get a boost.

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7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

This post appears to be some sort of exercise in performance art. It somehow snakes its way through avoiding the point in its rebuttal altogether. It’s kind of fascinating, really. 

Lol, okay, it's directly responsive to the topic, while acknowleding the differences in the leagues. I get that a bunch of people here think the Big XII is terrible and should just shut down or join the NAIA, but it's just dumb.

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 

My hope is that the SEC gets served a giant shit sandwich this year and every year forward. The majority of the SEC fans are mouthbreathing rubes and the media fellatio given to the SEC has always been sickening. Texas showing up and mostly rolling through the "grind" should shut a lot of the nonsense up, but it hasn't. "They're all cannibalizing each other!" Sure. Or, most of the teams are mediocre and should not be getting the benefit of the doubt. Don't lose home games to Kentucky. Don't get blown out by OU. Maybe win the gimme against Arkansas or Vanderbilt or Florida.

this.  All our wins have been by double digits save Vandy(which was only that close due to ref fuckery).  If Tennessee or Ole Miss had done this we'd never hear the fucking end of it, how they rolled through the SEC MeatGrinder*tm save the one loss to top 5 Georgia.

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7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol, okay, it's directly responsive to the topic, while acknowleding the differences in the leagues. I get that a bunch of people here think the Big XII is terrible and should just shut down or join the NAIA, but it's just dumb.

you don't need to do that.  you can split and half join MWC and half join Sunbelt.  Or you could Make Pac-10 Great Again

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2 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

I want SMU to win and this stupid Miami chatter to go away.  Same with Clemson.

I am curious to see if the PC looks hard at their non-cons because they were very interesting this year.

 

Clemson - flattened by UGA.

Miami - flattened UF, who it turns out is not that bad.

SMU - lost narrowly @BYU which could be a quality loss.

 

If they weigh that then Clemson should not get a lifeline. 

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27 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol, okay, it's directly responsive to the topic, while acknowleding the differences in the leagues. I get that a bunch of people here think the Big XII is terrible and should just shut down or join the NAIA, but it's just dumb.

The Big XII is not terrible. I don't wish for its demise. I wish it would schedule more compelling nonconference games to make me want to watch it. I wish the rest of the conference had scheduled more compelling nonconference games when we were actually in the conference to raise its profile. Then maybe we wouldn't have had to throw our lot in with all these sister fuckers and mouthbreathers.

But don't feed us that bullshit about scheduling. It's going to continue to bite the conference in the ass. Put on your big girl panties and schedule OU for fuck's sake. 

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23 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

I am curious to see if the PC looks hard at their non-cons because they were very interesting this year.

 

Clemson - flattened by UGA.

Miami - flattened UF, who it turns out is not that bad.

SMU - lost narrowly @BYU which could be a quality loss.

 

If they weigh that then Clemson should not get a lifeline. 

SMU also drilled TCU.

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4 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Strange year in cfb. I'm having a hard time coming up with 12 worthy teams, but I guess that was the point of an expanded playoff.

whats crazy is it was supposed to be 8

Then they said it would be 12 the following year

Then they said wait that's dumb lets just do 12 this year fuck it

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