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29 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

When I was going to school in grapevine, southlake was a 3a school farm town.  May as well have been watauga.

Summer before I came to UT I dated a 17 year old from Watauga who danced at Wild Orchid and Babydolls, and she was gorgeous. Stunning. I mean, she looked like a blond cross between Ava Gardner and Traci Lords.
Unfortunately, she had had a very, very hard adolescence. She was basically a sweet, goofy girl who was processing a lot of trauma with no support, loved animals and really wanted to reconcile with her mom, which she did that summer and when I left for Austin I hoped things would get better for her.
Recently I looked her up on Facebook and it seems like her life didn’t  turn out very well- substance abuse, violence, troubled relationships, health issues, etc. She’s probably heavier than she was by 75 pounds, missing several teeth and also apparently involved in some pyramid supplement and life coaching type businesses. I hate to say so, but it’s embarrassing stuff.

Anyway, this was 1992 but I remember she looked down on Southlake kids. 

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31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

When I was going to school in grapevine, southlake was a 3a school farm town.  May as well have been watauga. This nouveau riche southlake shit is ridiculous. 
 

and, a little gold tie clip with the name embossed is subtle. It’s not like he wore the hat or waved the flag around. 

New money is . . . 

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Summer before I came to UT I dated a 17 year old from Watauga who danced at Wild Orchid and Babydolls, and she was gorgeous. Stunning. I mean, she looked like a blond cross between Ava Gardner and Traci Lords.
Unfortunately, she had had a very, very hard adolescence. She was basically a sweet, goofy girl who was processing a lot of trauma with no support, loved animals and really wanted to reconcile with her mom, which she did that summer and when I left for Austin I hoped things would get better for her.
Recently I looked her up on Facebook and it seems like her life didn’t  turn out very well- substance abuse, violence, troubled relationships, health issues, etc. She’s probably heavier than she was by 75 pounds, missing several teeth and also apparently involved in some pyramid supplement and life coaching type businesses. I hate to say so, but it’s embarrassing stuff.

Anyway, this was 1992 but I remember she looked down on Southlake kids. 

Yeah, there's something kind of pernicious about these latter-day D-FW exurbs.  I guess its those with new money get in early on a fancy subdivision before it really takes off, then some bigger money comes in for various reasons (proximity to the airport for Southlake), including familiarity with it as a trashy burb in its prior existence.  And then the worst characteristics of both new and old money, rural dipshits and more urbane privileged, mix and amplify.

Also, you got around.

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18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Summer before I came to UT I dated a 17 year old from Watauga who danced at Wild Orchid and Babydolls, and she was gorgeous. Stunning. I mean, she looked like a blond cross between Ava Gardner and Traci Lords.
Unfortunately, she had had a very, very hard adolescence. She was basically a sweet, goofy girl who was processing a lot of trauma with no support, loved animals and really wanted to reconcile with her mom, which she did that summer and when I left for Austin I hoped things would get better for her.
Recently I looked her up on Facebook and it seems like her life didn’t  turn out very well- substance abuse, violence, troubled relationships, health issues, etc. She’s probably heavier than she was by 75 pounds, missing several teeth and also apparently involved in some pyramid supplement and life coaching type businesses. I hate to say so, but it’s embarrassing stuff.

Anyway, this was 1992 but I remember she looked down on Southlake kids. 

What’s her number?  I can fix her.  

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I understand what you’re saying. It’s certainly true that their identity has been a lever to separate you from your rights, and even though they haven’t gained anything from your loss, your loss is real and more existential than theirs. 

But (and I’m not defending anybody here) it’s important to keep in mind that the vast majority of straight young white men have worse prospects and a more impoverished existence on almost every level than you do. And unless people like you can find the empathy to separate the pimps from the tricks, you’re going to wind up contributing to your own marginalization, or at best not making it better.

Man, if you're raising boys I hope you're not feeding them this victim poor me bullshit. Young white men don't have it harder than anyone else - they've simply got dealt the same hand as everyone else. If that's too tough for them, maybe they should get some bootstraps and pull on em. That's as much help as anyone outside the executive class gets.

Like, what the fuck? White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

Impoverished existence? Wow lol.

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18 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Man, if you're raising boys I hope you're not feeding them this victim poor me bullshit. Young white men don't have it harder than anyone else - they've simply got dealt the same hand as everyone else. If that's too tough for them, maybe they should get some bootstraps and pull on em. That's as much help as anyone outside the executive class gets.

Like, what the fuck? White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

Impoverished existence? Wow lol.

I think his point is that, generationally, the young, men in particular, are significantly worse off than preceding generations due to the wealth/income gap and asset inflation.  There's less room for error than there's been in quite some time.  That may apply less to white men than women or men of color, etc., but I think it's broadly true.

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think his point is that, generationally, the young, men in particular, are significantly worse off than preceding generations due to the wealth/income gap and asset inflation.

No, Bozo pretty clearly stated that young white men have it harder than others and are "impoverished". Nothing to do with wealth inequality in the words he wrote, so I'm not sure why you're trying the southern strategy line on me of "it's not race, it's economics!"

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It's true of everyone. And I definitely agree that there is a crisis within men in the modern world. But the solution is not to regress. And that's pretty much the only solution offered by anyone who matters 

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31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Man, if you're raising boys I hope you're not feeding them this victim poor me bullshit.

First, I’m not raising boys. My wife and I raised two sharp, capable young women. Second, there’s nothing poor or even middle about me. I’m very successful, affluent, and healthy as a result of fantastic luck compounded by hard work and focus, and lot of help.  I don’t fall into the “almost all” category. Our lives are exceptional on almost every level and there’s nothing more irritating to me than people in my shoes poor mouthing or referring to themselves as even middle class. We are not and inshallah we won’t be. 

 

31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Young white men don't have it harder than anyone else - they've simply got dealt the same hand as everyone else.

That’s exactly my point- most people are dealt a bad hand. At least half (by definition) of them are below average on one or multiple levels - health, height, talent, upbringing, intelligence, appearance, access to opportunities, etc. most of the rest are bunched of in a tight group we thing of as the middle but are really the above-average-but-not-enough-to-matter, and most of the rest don’t catch the happenstance breaks that really matter. 

 

31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Like, what the fuck? White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

The fact that you conflate “impoverished existence” with economic poverty primarily or “poor people” tells me that the rent for shirt with your name on it has never in your life come out of your paycheck, so I’ll try to explain this as succinctly as possible, ahem:

EVERYONE HAS IT HARD IN AMERICA.  
 

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

No, Bozo pretty clearly stated that young white men have it harder than others and are "impoverished"

I did not say they had it harder. I said that almost all lead a more “impoverished existence” than safe sex does, and that doesn’t even seem controversial. Good profession, rich inner life, integrity, sense of humor and irony, brains? Are you saying that almost all young white men don’t lack those things?


 

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18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think his point is that, generationally, the young, men in particular, are significantly worse off than preceding generations due to the wealth/income gap and asset inflation.  There's less room for error than there's been in quite some time.  That may apply less to white men than women or men of color, etc., but I think it's broadly true.

No. My point is that you have a better life than the vast majority of them do or ever will. You mentioned all the “mediocre white men” in your field. They aren’t mediocre. Those are way above average white men. Would you switch lives with any of them?
Now imagine the below average ones.

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1 hour ago, safe sex said:

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with "almost all." I've had more than one nursing anesthesia program head/counselor tell me that I'm too queer for the field; that they would not be able to protect me from bigots in their departments and schools and communities; and that while I'm talented, smart, and hard working, I am not extraordinarily so, and I would simply not stand out among the deluge of applications that schools in safe areas of the country for me receive. And that is exactly what I experienced over the last three years of applying to CRNA school. Didn't even get an interview. And the program head (U of Tulsa) that first broke that news to me was forced out by the university because she was trying really hard to admit more students from minority backgrounds. That was the semester she wanted to admit me. Lol

Do you have any idea how many mediocre white men in nursing anesthesia there are? Much less within the body of physicians? No offense, @GreenspointTexas and any white docs on the board, but from my years in trauma, it's a pretty solid percentage. 

Things are looking up for mediocre white men and those coming after the current batch

God give me the self-confidence of a mediocre white man. Can you imagine where I could be if I didn't have a crushing amount of self-doubt because of a society that has told me over and over throughout my life that it doesn't matter how good I am at anything, or how hard I work at something, there are parts of my core self—my very being—that do. not. belong. 

But whatever. There isn't a fruitful conversation to be had here. We're not really at odds. Nothing personal, Bozo—you're one of the good ones—but I'm tired. I will never support any policy that would materially harm young white men; will never vote for any candidate that targets them; will never call them slurs while walking on the street; will never mock them for showing vulnerability; will never body shame them; will never sexually assault them in clubs; will never rape them

It'd be nice of them to return the favor 

(Not all young white men®)

Im high as shit right now, but I cant make sense of this post

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I did not say they had it harder. I said that almost all lead a more “impoverished existence” than safe sex does, and that doesn’t even seem controversial. Good profession, rich inner life, integrity, sense of humor and irony, brains? Are you saying that almost all young white men don’t lack those things?

Brother, I don't know what fucking point you're trying to make here. It sounds like you're describing the average 20 something. Life ain't easy. It doesn't mean you should resort to fascism because you're not getting the same handout your daddy got.

Or are you arguing that their family and culture failed white people generally? 

Are you trying to redefine the word "impoverished" to not mean someone in poverty?

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37 minutes ago, safe sex said:

It's true of everyone. And I definitely agree that there is a crisis within men in the modern world. But the solution is not to regress. And that's pretty much the only solution offered by anyone who matters 

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Brother, I don't know what fucking point you're trying to make here. It sounds like you're describing the average 20 something.

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

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1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Ric Flair is a scumbag piece of shit of the highest order but I'll be damned if he isn't the greatest professional wrestler of all time

I met him in Kansas City the day before Harley Race’s funeral. He politely asked the jazz quartet playing at the hotel bar to stop playing so that he could watch Charlotte Flair perform on RAW. My table was under the TV and he stood right in front of us, and he was so proud* of her he teared up while he was watching. It was very touching. 
 

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3 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I grew up in Westlake and live in HP. All someone has to do is a) have some life experience and b) open their eyes. 

I won’t try and pretend to know your life, but I won’t apologize for what I and more importantly Quinn didn’t do. Hatred begets hatred. 

Yea you grew up in Westlake and live in HP. You are that person those are you people and I despise them

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4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Not one radical republican on this website will comment on this:

 

 

Have read any news this week, or do you just consume your Twitter feed?

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

She’s still smarter than Tommy Tuberville

So close. 

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19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe in every instance of the word  “white” replace it with “black” and let me know your thoughts?

Lunatics running the asylum. 

I'd rather replace white with honky.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

Replying to remind myself to come back to this

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 

"Successful" is doing some heavy lifting in this thought experiment.

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7 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

So, I really don't understand your insistence that this is unique to white people. Your hypothetical of a bunch of senior support staff being better of than most everyone else applies unilaterally, not just to white people. 

Yeah, the economy is rigged against wage earners. Regan and trickle down out front should have told ya. What makes the """young white man""" experience so set apart from everyone else that you single them out so fervently? 

No shit they don't have much of a glorious future to look forward to. Nobody does, unless you're already in the ownership caste. Welcome to America

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

So, I really don't understand your insistence that this is unique to white people. Your hypothetical of a bunch of senior support staff being better of than most everyone else applies unilaterally, not just to white people. 

The senior consultant and support staff who are not 40+ white men? I only spent 25 years in tech, but I must have missed them. Perhaps it was lost amid the glare of pale bald heads.
But whatever, let it be a rainbow coalition. United Colors of Tier 3 Support! Do you agree they have it better than most white people? By the numbers, they make more than 90% of the white population.  
 

 

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

What makes the """young white man""" experience so set apart from everyone else that you single them out so fervently? 

I didn’t, she did. I just said that the vast majority of them have worse prospects than @safe sex and lead a pretty impoverished existence compared to her. Most people do and my point is that young white men are not an exception.

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This board is hilarious with the "NO CR!" shit. When someone expresses a right-wing opinion in the non-CR areas there is either no reaction or a fairly mild one compared to the reaction when someone says something even centrist, much less leftist. "Hey man take it somewhere else" vs. "FUCK YOU JIHAD NEGS!"

Defensive, reactionary, terrified pussies. You know... like Trump himself and how Quinn usually plays against teams we don't clearly physically outmatch. Makes sense, I guess. Birds of a feather.

I do enjoy Quinn's Trump advocacy paired with his perpetual "I'm scared you're going to be mean to me" facial expression. They compliment each other nicely.

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21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The senior consultant and support staff who are not 40+ white men? I only spent 25 years in tech, but I must have missed them. Perhaps it was lost amid the glare of pale bald heads.
But whatever, let it be a rainbow coalition. United Colors of Tier 3 Support! Do you agree they have it better than most white people? By the numbers, they make more than 90% of the white population.  

I've been in tech for 10 years now, and the teams I have been on were/are pretty diverse. There's not really a majority demographic, aside from tech nerd. In the team I'm on right now, it is pretty much a rainbow of backgrounds. Folks from Columbia, Mexico, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Norway, Houston, etc etc.

And yes we definitely have it better than the vast majority of Americans. I have a job that respects my time and gives me opportunities for growth. What a fantastic luxury!

21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I didn’t, she did. I just said that the vast majority of them have worse prospects than @safe sex and lead a pretty impoverished existence compared to her. Most people do and my point is that young white men are not an exception.

No, she said she's not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt. And you replied saying "I'm not defending them BUUUUUT they've got a weally WEALLY hard road ahead" as if that's not just the baseline American experience. 

Yeah most Americans live an impoverished existence. It's celebrated every quarter when the line goes up while wages stagnate even further. 

But again - that's been the deal for decades. What's with the scales falling from your eyes all of a sudden?

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I've been in tech for 10 years now, and the teams I have been on were/are pretty diverse.

10 whole years? Yes, I'm aware things are changing. You're welcome. 

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

And yes we definitely have it better than the vast majority of Americans. I have a job that respects my time and gives me opportunities for growth. What a fantastic luxury!

It is. It is an umimaginable luxury for 90%ish of the population, including about 90% of the whites. But like a lot of affluent, privileged young progressives you seem to be unable to make up your mind about what you think. For example, square this take:
 

12 hours ago, Captainant said:

White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

Impoverished existence? Wow lol.

with this take:

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Yeah most Americans live an impoverished existence. It's celebrated every quarter when the line goes up while wages stagnate even further. 

But again - that's been the deal for decades. What's with the scales falling from your eyes all of a sudden?

All of a sudden? I've been talking about this on this board and it's 3 predecessors since 1997, and in real life before that. I watched the public, open recognition that most people (including the whites) are getting shafted too elect Bill Clinton in 1992 and Barack Obama in 2008, not to mention unfortunately electing Donald Trump in 2016 and 2024. And it's true. 
 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

All of a sudden? I've been talking about this on this board and it's 3 predecessors since 1997, and in real life before that. I watched the public, open recognition that most white people are getting shafted too elect Bill Clinton in 1992 and Barack Obama in 2008, not to mention unfortunately electing Donald Trump in 2016 and 2024.

It's almost like enabling unbounded corporate power with neoliberal economics is the root cause of all of this, or something 

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And that is usually how an extreme takes over. And those who really fuck things up are those who think they belong but get excluded. Protecting the little man is a form of consolidating power once gained. They don't care. Never do.

Fun times ahead boys and girls, fun times.

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I’m in my mid 50s and came up in tech where I would guess that 80-90% were straight, white guys. Or at least they projected they were straight. At that point, I believe we were at the end of a decades long run of how the office looked the same in terms of people. I know some of the same guys today who indicate their annoyance that the office is more diverse and they don’t like that 1990s actions or words can have consequences.

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13 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No. My point is that you have a better life than the vast majority of them do or ever will. You mentioned all the “mediocre white men” in your field. They aren’t mediocre. Those are way above average white men. Would you switch lives with any of them?
Now imagine the below average ones.

Perhaps she means they're mediocre doctors and there are a lot of other people that could do the job better given the same opportunity? I'd say the Clemson QB's play last night proves the same can be said about Quinn Ewers.

 

Now I don't know if @safe sex would prefer Klubnik's political leanings, but he may be smart enough to keep them to himself. 

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15 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Has a president-elect ever had as many losses as Trump has experienced the past few weeks?  He may be looked at as lame duck before he is even inaugurated.

This. If the way this went is any indication of the way the next 4 years will go on Capitol Hill, then Trump may face more pushback than anticipated. Here's to hoping, at least.

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It doesn’t bother me. That it happened during the first half is ridiculous, in my opinion, but it doesn’t offend me or anything. You’re never going to recruit people to your way of thinking with that attitude. 
Because calm, well-stated logic and reason have been sooooooo effective thus far.
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25 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I don’t feel sorry for him. The reason I said something is because it happened during the game. 

The games are 60% commercials.

Also, the "tolerant, much?" shit is 2015 /r/TheDonald stuff. New material needed.

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