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30 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

His roommate/romantic interest is apparently transition. Ergo, all transgenders are domestic terrorists. It all adds up in Trumplandia.

It's contagious. 

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13 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I’m starting to struggle with my love of football (and sports in general), as they have become the opiate of the masses while we as a nation are numb to the fascist takeover of our country. 
 

As long as people have their NFL, that’s all they can be bothered with. It has completely taken over the dumbass populace and the oligarchs know it. By the time the season is over, project 2025 will be mostly complete or in motion. And many people will just be blissfully awaiting the next season. 

 

My problem with sports now is the same J6 folks, radical republicans, maga-tards, and Fat Boy fans who use the n-word and say disparaging things about Blacks, Women, LGBTQ, Latinos, and the like are sitting in the stands cheering on those same folks for their personal gain in the sports world—our fans included.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

We had posters in the Harris/Walz thread talking about how it was a brilliant move to "shore up the base".  All the heavy lifting had been done so time to get the base aligned and cruise to victory.  Fucking dumbasses.  You could feel the energy leave the campaign as soon as she did that "Call me Dipshit" podcast.

 

This is incorrect. That podcast was a great idea, considering how many followers that podcaster has.

 

The air left the campaign in three instances:

- When they stopped called them “weird” 

- When they diddled around about going on Rogan

- When they started catering to moderate Rs and doing more stuff with them than with the bases they needed (college students, etc.)

 

The first one is the fault of the old dem guard, but the second one really is the fault of Rogan. Kamala’s campaign and the dems got played by Rogan and didn’t have a good comeback, so they just let it go. The third instance is 100% the fault of the campaign, although now I’m wondering if they saw the internals and panicked.

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yes, let’s rehash why she lost again. Meanwhile, the fascists are taking over the country. But by all means, let’s have this argument. 

 

 

It’s either that or keep rehashing why Arch looks like ass…

 

We are going to rehash something on this website!

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

My problem with sports now is the same J6 folks, radical republicans, maga-tards, and Fat Boy fans who use the n-word and say disparaging things about Blacks, Women, LGBTQ, Latinos, and the like are sitting in the stands cheering on those same folks for their personal gain in the sports world—our fans included.

 

 

 

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She lost because TPUSA and others mobilized young white men and have been working on them for years to support Trump. If he survives till 2026, I don’t see anything changing unless the non voters get the fuck up and vote democrat. The cult is gonna cult.

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13 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

This is incorrect. That podcast was a great idea, considering how many followers that podcaster has.

 

The air left the campaign in three instances:

- When they stopped called them “weird” 

- When they diddled around about going on Rogan

- When they started catering to moderate Rs and doing more stuff with them than with the bases they needed (college students, etc.)

 

The first one is the fault of the old dem guard, but the second one really is the fault of Rogan. Kamala’s campaign and the dems got played by Rogan and didn’t have a good comeback, so they just let it go. The third instance is 100% the fault of the campaign, although now I’m wondering if they saw the internals and panicked.

Trump won the election because he won in a landslide with people who pay zero attention to news or politics. Seriously he won those people by something ridiculous like 35%. All the "hurr durr, I guess I'd like eggs a little cheaper so sure I'll vote for Trump" people, having no idea what that really meant. I don't want to put too much blame on Team Harris but they did a poor job of finding these people and sufficiently explaining what a Trump presidency would look like (this fucking hellscape we're living in now). 

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Just now, Goofyboy said:

She lost because TPUSA and others mobilized young white men and have been working on them for years to support Trump. If he survives till 2026, I don’t see anything changing unless the non voters get the fuck up and vote democrat. The cult is gonna cult.

I think that, much like Covid-19 was a huge event that threw MAGA's best laid plans off course, the thing that likely ushers in Newsom in 2028 is the AI bubble pop and the big recession/depression that follows. That's the likely trajectory and hope. Right now AI-powered stock market is the only thing keeping most non-liberal (center-left/center all the way to the far reaches of the alt-right) from caring too much about the near daily erosions of the republic.

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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Trump won the election because he won in a landslide with people who pay zero attention to news or politics. Seriously he won those people by something ridiculous like 35%. All the "hurr durr, I guess I'd like eggs a little cheaper so sure I'll vote for Trump" people, having no idea what that really meant. I don't want to put too much blame on Team Harris but they did a poor job of finding these people and sufficiently explaining what a Trump presidency would look like (this fucking hellscape we're living in now). 

This is exactly right. That is why to my previous post, when Covid-19 happened and ruined their lives initially, there was a change. I think an AI bubble pop to the economy will be another similiar change agent to usher in D's for 2028. 

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It’s not a hellscape for them yet. They voted for this. Get the brown people out, attack the trans and gays, and push evangelical religion. This is their wet dream. Farmers are crying - who cares - Trump is playing 6D chess.

We are living in two completely different realities. MAGA world is not the same world we see.

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1 minute ago, Goofyboy said:

It’s not a hellscape for them yet. They voted for this. Get the brown people out, attack the trans and gays, and push evangelical religion. This is their wet dream. Farmers are crying - who cares - Trump is playing 6D chess.

We are living in two completely different realities. MAGA world is not the same world we see.

100% this. And I think, much to the benefit of everyone involved, people are starting to wake up to the reality of "what is" and meeting the situation where it actually is, versus living in the ivory tower of the "ought" and hand-wringing on how bad everyone is in theory and if they'd just wake up and see things our way, then we'd live in harmony. It's about growing a backbone and a stomach for a fight. Which is why Newsom is going to be the man in 28. (I'll take it to the Newsom thread now lol)

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So, an interesting new trend: https://www.kvue.com/article/news/nation-world/new-poll-republicans-sour-on-path-for-us/507-8b3ce73e-357a-4ae5-9854-9147855b20d9?tbref=hp

I'll highlight the point that I find a bit interesting.

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Republicans’ outlook on the direction of the country has soured dramatically, according to a new AP-NORC poll that was conducted shortly after last week's assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

The share of Republicans who see the country headed in the right direction has fallen sharply in recent months, according to the September survey by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Today, only about half in the GOP see the nation on the right course, down from 70% in June. The shift is even more glaring among Republican women and the party's under-45 crowd.

Interviews with Republicans who took the poll suggest that political violence and nagging worries about social discord are playing a role in the notable shift in their mood after a summer scarred by killings of figures on both sides of the political spectrum, although they also mentioned another array of worries, including jobs, household costs and crime.

“I've spent a lot of time worrying about the worsening political discourse and, now, the disturbing assassinations,” said Chris Bahr, a 42-year-old Republican from suburban Houston.

“If you'd have talked to me two weeks ago, I wouldn't have brought it up as a main concern but more of a gnawing feeling,” the software administrator said. “It's something I've been thinking about. But now it's violence, while before it was just this sense of animosity and division.”

Among Republicans younger than 45, the decline is particularly glaring: 61% say the country is headed in the wrong direction, a spike of 30 percentage points since June, the last time the question was asked.

Mostly, 42-year-old truck driver Mustafa Robinson, a Republican, is troubled by the cost of living, but he has been increasingly bothered by what he wishes was a stronger sense of national unity.

“It's like, you think you’re heading in the right direction with your career and your job, but everything around you is going up in price. It seems like you can't catch a break," said Robinson, a married father of three who lives in Delaware County just southwest of Philadelphia. “But we are also supposed to be united as a country and coming together. And we are not. I'm so perplexed how we're not on the same page about anything, so bad that these people are being shot.”

Like others, Minnesota Republican Jeremy Gieske first noted economic uncertainty as the chief reason for his wrong-track opinion, before circling back without prompting to what he called “all the political poison.”

"We're at each other's throats,” said the 47-year-old product manager from Rogers, just northwest of Minneapolis. “This viciousness on both sides. We have villainized others, like we’re on the brink of social collapse. Is Kirk the straw that breaks the camel's back or sets off a powder keg? It's on everyone's mind.”

I find the shift really interesting, and the potential reason for it REALLY interesting.

We have a thread on here referring to the GOP as a "Trumpist death cult."  And there's something to that.  There is a strong thread of nihilism running through the movement; it's a "blow it all up," "inflict maximum pain on the other" kind of movement.  They're posing for smiling pictures at the "Alligator Alcatraz" sign, we all know that "the cruelty is the point," that sort of thing.  And, it's easy to fall into that worldview when you see yourself as The Main Character.  These are things you/your side DOES, they are NOT things that are done to you.

But the problem with "blowing it all up" (economy, education, all institutions, etc.), is that you live in the thing that you are blowing up.  So when that bomb of chaos that you've been cheering on blows up, you end up looking like this:

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And a parallel problem is with the cruelty, and the casually inflammatory attacks on "the other" (invaders, vermin, democrats are terrorists who must be eliminated), etc. is that it lights a fuse of violence.  Those of us NOT in MAGA land have seen it and sounded the alarm about it for years, particularly after signature events done in furtherance of the cause: El Paso, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Colorado Springs, the Hortmans, and on and on.  But not only does MAGA not care, they actually liked it.  Because functionally, all of the political violence was taking out "the other" or their enemies.  Why should they mind, the people they hate are getting what they deserve!

But again....the "political violence" bomb is NOT a carefully controlled explosion.  It is grenades repeatedly tossed into society as a whole.  And, eventually, the shrapnel from those grenades blows back on the people cheering them on.  Create an atmosphere that incites increasing political violence?  Well, they're fine with it.....so long as only "the other/the enemy" is the victim.  But....when the storm of violence comes to them, and one of their own....well, that changes things.

I am not taking the position that Charlie Kirk's murder was a good thing.  Not at all.  I have never, ever wanted our country to descend into political violence -- FFS, I've spent a decade being a cassandra about "fucking stop it, people, because this is the INEVITABLE outcome of where we're headed!"  I didn't want El Paso to happen, I didn't want Charlie Kirk's murder to happen.  None of it.  Instead, what I'm observing is that my observation and warning that "this ends in bloodshed" includes a footnote of "and you can't perfectly control where and how it goes, and it WILL get messy."  

And perhaps what the polling above is showing that once the fantasy world that some MAGAs have constructed -- where they can spew rage, hate, and anger, inciting and inflicting pain and violence willy-nilly -- turns into reality, which is messy, ugly, and involves bloodshed and death....some of them may lose their stomach for it.  It's all fun and games when we get to hate brown people and laugh about them being shackled, and not care (or only care in the most cursory of fashions) when they get slaughtered in a Wal-Mart because hey, they're invaders.  It's quite different when you realize that the beast of "stochastic terrorist violence" ultimately turns on you and yours, and can't be controlled, and that beast causes some awful, messy shit, in a society that you really, really want to be clean and pretty and well-functioning.  The ultimate lesson being that if you think society is too messy and chaotic, the solution isn't to inject hyper-chaos into the system; it's to do the long, slow, and hard work of cleaning up the mess and chaos.

MAYBE some of these people are seeing that, across the board, "make everything more chaotic" is both counterproductive as a whole, and causes harm and pain to the very people who have cheered it on.  I dunno.  Hoping that a group of people realize that "cause pain and blow everything up" is a terrible idea because we all live here together is an act of pure hopefulness, which y'all know ain't my bag.  But, I'm observing that COULD be part of what's reflected in this polling.

Or fuck, I dunno, the guy at the end asks the right question: Is Kirk the straw that breaks the camel's back or sets off a powder keg?  Thus far, the evidence we're seeing is that it set off a powder keg (one that MAGA has long-had primed, and they were eagerly waiting for the opportunity to light its fuse).  But that's the near-term, and certainly the action that the admin is taking.  But long-term....what are we going to see?  Which direction are the American people - or at least this important subset of them - going to go?

Stay tuned to find out.  But not to ABC or a Tegna station.

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Although.... we have a President saying he doesn't care about political violence as long as it doesn't come from the left, and that if he doesn't like your tv show he'll take it off the air. 100% of people should be horrified, as opposed to "some republicans may be souring on the future of the country...." But, baby steps I guess.

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11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, an interesting new trend: https://www.kvue.com/article/news/nation-world/new-poll-republicans-sour-on-path-for-us/507-8b3ce73e-357a-4ae5-9854-9147855b20d9?tbref=hp

I'll highlight the point that I find a bit interesting.

I find the shift really interesting, and the potential reason for it REALLY interesting.

We have a thread on here referring to the GOP as a "Trumpist death cult."  And there's something to that.  There is a strong thread of nihilism running through the movement; it's a "blow it all up," "inflict maximum pain on the other" kind of movement.  They're posing for smiling pictures at the "Alligator Alcatraz" sign, we all know that "the cruelty is the point," that sort of thing.  And, it's easy to fall into that worldview when you see yourself as The Main Character.  These are things you/your side DOES, they are NOT things that are done to you.

But the problem with "blowing it all up" (economy, education, all institutions, etc.), is that you live in the thing that you are blowing up.  So when that bomb of chaos that you've been cheering on blows up, you end up looking like this:

pancho096.jpg

And a parallel problem is with the cruelty, and the casually inflammatory attacks on "the other" (invaders, vermin, democrats are terrorists who must be eliminated), etc. is that it lights a fuse of violence.  Those of us NOT in MAGA land have seen it and sounded the alarm about it for years, particularly after signature events done in furtherance of the cause: El Paso, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Colorado Springs, the Hortmans, and on and on.  But not only does MAGA not care, they actually liked it.  Because functionally, all of the political violence was taking out "the other" or their enemies.  Why should they mind, the people they hate are getting what they deserve!

But again....the "political violence" bomb is NOT a carefully controlled explosion.  It is grenades repeatedly tossed into society as a whole.  And, eventually, the shrapnel from those grenades blows back on the people cheering them on.  Create an atmosphere that incites increasing political violence?  Well, they're fine with it.....so long as only "the other/the enemy" is the victim.  But....when the storm of violence comes to them, and one of their own....well, that changes things.

I am not taking the position that Charlie Kirk's murder was a good thing.  Not at all.  I have never, ever wanted our country to descend into political violence -- FFS, I've spent a decade being a cassandra about "fucking stop it, people, because this is the INEVITABLE outcome of where we're headed!"  I didn't want El Paso to happen, I didn't want Charlie Kirk's murder to happen.  None of it.  Instead, what I'm observing is that my observation and warning that "this ends in bloodshed" includes a footnote of "and you can't perfectly control where and how it goes, and it WILL get messy."  

And perhaps what the polling above is showing that once the fantasy world that some MAGAs have constructed -- where they can spew rage, hate, and anger, inciting and inflicting pain and violence willy-nilly -- turns into reality, which is messy, ugly, and involves bloodshed and death....some of them may lose their stomach for it.  It's all fun and games when we get to hate brown people and laugh about them being shackled, and not care (or only care in the most cursory of fashions) when they get slaughtered in a Wal-Mart because hey, they're invaders.  It's quite different when you realize that the beast of "stochastic terrorist violence" ultimately turns on you and yours, and can't be controlled, and that beast causes some awful, messy shit, in a society that you really, really want to be clean and pretty and well-functioning.  The ultimate lesson being that if you think society is too messy and chaotic, the solution isn't to inject hyper-chaos into the system; it's to do the long, slow, and hard work of cleaning up the mess and chaos.

MAYBE some of these people are seeing that, across the board, "make everything more chaotic" is both counterproductive as a whole, and causes harm and pain to the very people who have cheered it on.  I dunno.  Hoping that a group of people realize that "cause pain and blow everything up" is a terrible idea because we all live here together is an act of pure hopefulness, which y'all know ain't my bag.  But, I'm observing that COULD be part of what's reflected in this polling.

Or fuck, I dunno, the guy at the end asks the right question: Is Kirk the straw that breaks the camel's back or sets off a powder keg?  Thus far, the evidence we're seeing is that it set off a powder keg (one that MAGA has long-had primed, and they were eagerly waiting for the opportunity to light its fuse).  But that's the near-term, and certainly the action that the admin is taking.  But long-term....what are we going to see?  Which direction are the American people - or at least this important subset of them - going to go?

Stay tuned to find out.  But not to ABC or a Tegna station.

I see another possible, and in my mind more likely, direction. They are seeing things not going well and then you have a murder of a right wing podcaster that reflects many of their beliefs, after which they are told by dear leader that all the violence and bad things in their life is from the left. This, in turn, makes these people think that the left must be extinguished as the only solution to this violence. 

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7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Although.... we have a President saying he doesn't care about political violence as long as it doesn't come from the left, and that if he doesn't like your tv show he'll take it off the air. 100% of people should be horrified, as opposed to "some republicans may be souring on the future of the country...." But, baby steps I guess.

 

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I see another possible, and in my mind more likely, direction. They are seeing things not going well and then you have a murder of a right wing podcaster that reflects many of their beliefs, after which they are told by dear leader that all the violence and bad things in their life is from the left. This, in turn, makes these people think that the left must be extinguished as the only solution to this violence. 

Y'all ain't wrong.  Those are the two options: (1) broad-spectrum political violence causes those who once liked it to lose their taste for it, or (2) it galvanizes them in amping up the violence and seeking the extermination of their enemies.  That's the question raised by the Republican quoted at the end of that article.  Some of them get it.

The regime has unquestionably opted for option 2.  I acknowledge that, no argument, I always thought they would.  The question is whether their supporters (or a chunk of them) instead choose option 1.  That remains to be seen.

If all they asked in their heads was "if we're shooting them, is that a problem?", methinks their answer was often "nope, no problem."

But now, maybe they're asking the question "if we're shooting each other, is that a problem?" then maybe some of them are pausing to consider.

"Extermination of your enemies" sounds fun, because you get to do the exterminating, and your enemies get to do the dying.  I mean, it at least sounds fun to simple people, driven by their rage/anger etc.

"Civil war" ultimately sounds less fun, especially when you get the slightest taste of it, because you realize in that game, EVERYONE joins in on the dying.

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In Trump's America you can gleefully vote for a lying rapist instead of a decent person, and you can see Charlie Kirk as a saint because those grimy spots are permanent on the back of this leopard. It's who the US is.

There is no, if they only understood. They do. They vote it. They do so in certainty of their righteous hate and embrace of ignorance while lying to themselves the whole way.

If you can be persuaded that transexuals are a violent terrorist movement, you can't be persuaded that your whole sense of reality is a lie.

I harp. I'll stop or try to. It's hard not to obsess about the train on the middle of a collapsing bridge.

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46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, an interesting new trend: https://www.kvue.com/article/news/nation-world/new-poll-republicans-sour-on-path-for-us/507-8b3ce73e-357a-4ae5-9854-9147855b20d9?tbref=hp

I'll highlight the point that I find a bit interesting.

I find the shift really interesting, and the potential reason for it REALLY interesting.

We have a thread on here referring to the GOP as a "Trumpist death cult."  And there's something to that.  There is a strong thread of nihilism running through the movement; it's a "blow it all up," "inflict maximum pain on the other" kind of movement.  They're posing for smiling pictures at the "Alligator Alcatraz" sign, we all know that "the cruelty is the point," that sort of thing.  And, it's easy to fall into that worldview when you see yourself as The Main Character.  These are things you/your side DOES, they are NOT things that are done to you.

But the problem with "blowing it all up" (economy, education, all institutions, etc.), is that you live in the thing that you are blowing up.  So when that bomb of chaos that you've been cheering on blows up, you end up looking like this:

pancho096.jpg

And a parallel problem is with the cruelty, and the casually inflammatory attacks on "the other" (invaders, vermin, democrats are terrorists who must be eliminated), etc. is that it lights a fuse of violence.  Those of us NOT in MAGA land have seen it and sounded the alarm about it for years, particularly after signature events done in furtherance of the cause: El Paso, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Colorado Springs, the Hortmans, and on and on.  But not only does MAGA not care, they actually liked it.  Because functionally, all of the political violence was taking out "the other" or their enemies.  Why should they mind, the people they hate are getting what they deserve!

But again....the "political violence" bomb is NOT a carefully controlled explosion.  It is grenades repeatedly tossed into society as a whole.  And, eventually, the shrapnel from those grenades blows back on the people cheering them on.  Create an atmosphere that incites increasing political violence?  Well, they're fine with it.....so long as only "the other/the enemy" is the victim.  But....when the storm of violence comes to them, and one of their own....well, that changes things.

I am not taking the position that Charlie Kirk's murder was a good thing.  Not at all.  I have never, ever wanted our country to descend into political violence -- FFS, I've spent a decade being a cassandra about "fucking stop it, people, because this is the INEVITABLE outcome of where we're headed!"  I didn't want El Paso to happen, I didn't want Charlie Kirk's murder to happen.  None of it.  Instead, what I'm observing is that my observation and warning that "this ends in bloodshed" includes a footnote of "and you can't perfectly control where and how it goes, and it WILL get messy."  

And perhaps what the polling above is showing that once the fantasy world that some MAGAs have constructed -- where they can spew rage, hate, and anger, inciting and inflicting pain and violence willy-nilly -- turns into reality, which is messy, ugly, and involves bloodshed and death....some of them may lose their stomach for it.  It's all fun and games when we get to hate brown people and laugh about them being shackled, and not care (or only care in the most cursory of fashions) when they get slaughtered in a Wal-Mart because hey, they're invaders.  It's quite different when you realize that the beast of "stochastic terrorist violence" ultimately turns on you and yours, and can't be controlled, and that beast causes some awful, messy shit, in a society that you really, really want to be clean and pretty and well-functioning.  The ultimate lesson being that if you think society is too messy and chaotic, the solution isn't to inject hyper-chaos into the system; it's to do the long, slow, and hard work of cleaning up the mess and chaos.

MAYBE some of these people are seeing that, across the board, "make everything more chaotic" is both counterproductive as a whole, and causes harm and pain to the very people who have cheered it on.  I dunno.  Hoping that a group of people realize that "cause pain and blow everything up" is a terrible idea because we all live here together is an act of pure hopefulness, which y'all know ain't my bag.  But, I'm observing that COULD be part of what's reflected in this polling.

Or fuck, I dunno, the guy at the end asks the right question: Is Kirk the straw that breaks the camel's back or sets off a powder keg?  Thus far, the evidence we're seeing is that it set off a powder keg (one that MAGA has long-had primed, and they were eagerly waiting for the opportunity to light its fuse).  But that's the near-term, and certainly the action that the admin is taking.  But long-term....what are we going to see?  Which direction are the American people - or at least this important subset of them - going to go?

Stay tuned to find out.  But not to ABC or a Tegna station.

 

44 minutes ago, Red Five said:

That's the most positive Brisket post I have read in about 10 years. 

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MSNBC intro: "The FCC chairman warns that Jimmy Kimmel won't be the last, as President Trump cracks down on comedians who make jokes at his expense. What does this mean for free speech?" 

I give it one week before cable news has panels debating whether the president should not only be able to cancel tv programs he doesn't like, but whether he should be able to deport their hosts as well afterwards.

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23 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

If you can be persuaded that transexuals are a violent terrorist movement, you can't be persuaded that your whole sense of reality is a lie.

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