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11 hours ago, Chopped said:

If I go to another other country on the planet and get a deportation order I should expect to be removed at some point.  Why would it be different here? And please answer with facts, not feelings. 

Let's flesh out this legalism some.  Because that's all you people are relying on here, technical legalism.

Using the "warrant in Denton County" scenario.  If you have a warrant for your arrest somewhere, one of two things is going to happen:  that jurisdiction takes your crime seriously enough that they mount up the MRAP and battle rattle and come serve your ass with it. OR, you get a traffic ticket or some other LE encounter that results in the warrant being served upon you.

If neither of those things happen in 23 years, odds are damn good that warrant is going to go away.  If nothing else, Denton County is probably not going to bother moving it from IT system to IT system because, if neither of the above scenarios involving serving that warrant have occurred in 10+ years, who gives a shit, which is a layman's interpretation of the doctrine of laches, discussed below.

Second, if a 23 year old warrant is served and you appear in court, the judge is pretty likely to be highly skeptical.  Although any statute of limitations is probably tolled by the filing of a complaint and the subsequent issue of a warrant, there is a concept in the law of laches, that recognizes the fundamental unfairness of "resting on your rights."  It also recognizes and embodies the difficulties of trying a case where the events and evidence of them occurred in the distant past.

On the flip side, it's not great to sit around and hope you don't get served, or just exist in ignorance of the warrant, but it surely happens.  Also, there's evidence here that Sergio made efforts to clear up his immigration status.

Additionally, Sergio's deportation order wasn't a criminal matter.  Yes, unlawful entry, first time, can be a crime, but for decades it has not been treated as such.  So the criminal warrant analogy is a bit inapt.

Finally, what do we want from our immigration policy?  To make sure that people living in the US are good and productive citizens, permanent residents, etc.  Sure, Sergio didn't go through the proper channels.  But there's thirty years of evidence that that is exactly what Sergio was.  Does it really serve legitimate immigration policy goals to deport Sergio?  I'm going to leave out the sub rosa current immigration policy of confining immigrants to suitably white, English-speaking people with a lot of money.

The notion that immigration rule violators should be deported holds some force as long as the government doesn't wait decades to deport.  It holds more force if the deportee is somehow unworthy of citizenship or permanent residence, either by criminal history or commission of crimes here, possibly other circumstances.  

Sergio's deportation, and those of many other worthy immigrants, is supported only by technical legalism.  Legalism that this administration is famous for following and obeying.  Again, not mentioning that whole racism thing.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Let's flesh out this legalism some.  Because that's all you people are relying on here, technical legalism.

Using the "warrant in Denton County" scenario.  If you have a warrant for your arrest somewhere, one of two things is going to happen:  that jurisdiction takes your crime seriously enough that they mount up the MRAP and battle rattle and come serve your ass with it. OR, you get a traffic ticket or some other LE encounter that results in the warrant being served upon you.

If neither of those things happen in 23 years, odds are damn good that warrant is going to go away.  If nothing else, Denton County is probably not going to bother moving it from IT system to IT system because, if neither of the above scenarios involving serving that warrant have occurred in 10+ years, who gives a shit, which is a layman's interpretation of the doctrine of laches, discussed below.

Second, if a 23 year old warrant is served and you appear in court, the judge is pretty likely to be highly skeptical.  Although any statute of limitations is probably tolled by the filing of a complaint and the subsequent issue of a warrant, there is a concept in the law of laches, that recognizes the fundamental unfairness of "resting on your rights."  It also recognizes and embodies the difficulties of trying a case where the events and evidence of them occurred in the distant past.

On the flip side, it's not great to sit around and hope you don't get served, or just exist in ignorance of the warrant, but it surely happens.  Also, there's evidence here that Sergio made efforts to clear up his immigration status.

Additionally, Sergio's deportation order wasn't a criminal matter.  Yes, unlawful entry, first time, can be a crime, but for decades it has not been treated as such.  So the criminal warrant analogy is a bit inapt.

Finally, what do we want from our immigration policy?  To make sure that people living in the US are good and productive citizens, permanent residents, etc.  Sure, Sergio didn't go through the proper channels.  But there's thirty years of evidence that that is exactly what Sergio was.  Does it really serve legitimate immigration policy goals to deport Sergio?  I'm going to leave out the sub rosa current immigration policy of confining immigrants to suitably white, English-speaking people with a lot of money.

The notion that immigration rule violators should be deported holds some force as long as the government doesn't wait decades to deport.  It holds more force if the deportee is somehow unworthy of citizenship or permanent residence, either by criminal history or commission of crimes here, possibly other circumstances.  

Sergio's deportation, and those of many other worthy immigrants, is supported only by technical legalism.  Legalism that this administration is famous for following and obeying.  Again, not mentioning that whole racism thing.

 

One step further, Sergio was a whistle stop for GW Bush and catered for his fucking campaign events! The entire point of these actions is to terrorize nonwhite people and create an underclass of person that is unprotected by the law but still subject to it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/10/07/texas-waco-chef-deported-sergio-garcia-ice-undocumented/

He was a well-known business owner who had won an international following in the years when President George W. Bush brought hordes of journalists and politicians to Waco.

Within 24 hours, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents had Garcia deported across the border into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was separated from his four U.S.-born adult children and wife, Sandra.

Sandra Garcia, also undocumented, would reunite in July with her husband in Monterrey.

The detention and deportation abruptly cut short an American dream 36 years in the making. It came as a shock to customers and fellow business leaders.

The news rippled through Waco’s immigrant community and brought a sense of fear and vulnerability, said Mito Diaz-Espinoza, president of the Cen-Tex Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

“Deportations like Sergio’s — to fixtures of the community — are making people think, ‘This could be me next, or my favorite place next, or somebody who I talk to every day’,” he said.

Garcia, originally from Veracruz, Mexico, rose from selling ceviche in Styrofoam cups to earning writeups in Texas Monthly and catering events related to President Bush’s Western White House in the 2000s.

A box of thank-you notes at the family’s Waco home includes signed letters by a Baylor University athletic director, Waco Independent School District and countless customers through the years.

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3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

One step further, Sergio was a whistle stop for GW Bush and catered for his fucking campaign events! The entire point of these actions is to terrorize nonwhite people and create an underclass of person that is unprotected by the law but still subject to it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/10/07/texas-waco-chef-deported-sergio-garcia-ice-undocumented/

He was a well-known business owner who had won an international following in the years when President George W. Bush brought hordes of journalists and politicians to Waco.

Within 24 hours, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents had Garcia deported across the border into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was separated from his four U.S.-born adult children and wife, Sandra.

Sandra Garcia, also undocumented, would reunite in July with her husband in Monterrey.

The detention and deportation abruptly cut short an American dream 36 years in the making. It came as a shock to customers and fellow business leaders.

The news rippled through Waco’s immigrant community and brought a sense of fear and vulnerability, said Mito Diaz-Espinoza, president of the Cen-Tex Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

“Deportations like Sergio’s — to fixtures of the community — are making people think, ‘This could be me next, or my favorite place next, or somebody who I talk to every day’,” he said.

Garcia, originally from Veracruz, Mexico, rose from selling ceviche in Styrofoam cups to earning writeups in Texas Monthly and catering events related to President Bush’s Western White House in the 2000s.

A box of thank-you notes at the family’s Waco home includes signed letters by a Baylor University athletic director, Waco Independent School District and countless customers through the years.

TLDR version: Sergio has been a better American than probably 90% of Americans.  BUT....Sergio don't got a 'murican sounding name, so he's not a real American, he should GTFO.  See also MAGA freaking out about an actual US citizen who speaks and sings in spanish, and saying it's really really bad for him to be an entertainer at a big American event.

The movement is about America being for white people only, they aren't trying to hide it.

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Posted
9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't know how they chose who is going to Illinois, if it was by unit or they were pulling in soldiers from different units, but that sure as hell looks like somebody up the chain-of-command said "hey, let's send all of the guys who haven't passed the APFT in a while!"

Because if that was from a single unit

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And I like how they are all carrying their M4s like some shit is going to go down on the way to the donut shop.

More chins than a Chinese phone book, amirite?

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Prospect published a super interesting article about agricultural workers and an odd, hypocritical Federal Rules change just proposed by the Administration. The administration claims there's a crisis in farm labor and wants to bring in more immigrant farm workers by cutting wages paid to legal immigrant farm workers, and allow the ag industry to deduct the cost of housing from paychecks (just like human traffickers do)

It's about using immigration to increase the profits of agribusiness.  https://prospect.org/politics/trump-labor-department-immigration-ICE-food-crisis/

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“We call it the ‘Deport and Replace’ strategy,” De Loera-Brust said, “which is defined above all to make it easier for corporate agribusiness to exploit its workers, whether terrified undocumented residents or an unlimited pool of cheap foreign guest workers … The Trump administration would rather expand the abusive H-2A program than do right by the workers who are already here, feeding America for decades.”

That’s certainly not the way MAGA sells immigration enforcement. For years they have said that Americans should benefit from open jobs in the United States. But instead, their favorite administration is enabling the mass importation of exploitable workers, and blaming their own immigration enforcement actions for giving them no alternative. It’s hard to see how this aligns with the America First ideology.

 

 

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Posted
13 hours ago, Chopped said:

Hey the main justification I see given for mass immigration is economic.  Guess what I contribute way more economically  than this guy. And I didn’t bring up the comparison someone else said he contributed more than me so, that’s wrong. 

You're dumber than a box of dead crickets. You contradict your dumb ass with every post you smash in with your dick beaters.

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