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17 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You are correct. I don’t remember exact numbers, but weren’t as many or more of the current death toll from a trailer park in comparison to the campers and counselors?  No one is saying shit about them. 

Okay, I missed that part.  I figured the text groups were people who had kids there.  I went to Longhorn for three summers and by the time I was in sixth grade had decided that was enough.  I still remember some names of people there and have run into them a few times since then, but I don't otherwise keep in touch.  I guess if I went there for eight plus years, I might keep in touch with more people or have been added to some random text group.  But yeah, seems kind of strange.  But these camps are pretty close knit, and a lot of these kids (now adults) went to high school (smaller, private schools) and college together.  So maybe I'm not so surprised that some of them keep in touch regularly.

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah.  I don't want to veer too far into the macabre, but I'm curious -- would Abbott's tort reform come into play here?

Caps on wrongful death damages are a factor.  But there will still be lawsuits.  Lots of them.  And possibly satellite litigation on insurance coverage.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I’m with you on the first part.  Summer camp in itself is pretty damn cool.  It’s the part where 30-40 year olds are still clinging to those days via text groups, reunions, and alumni associations that I find strange.  It gives off an Al bundy, I scored 4 TDs in a single game for Polk High vibe.

 

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, that's fucking weird.  Doesn't happen among the people I know.  

I don't think it's weird per se. I hate to paint with a very large brush but think about the demographics. There aren't any poor kids going to Mystic or Waldemar or any of the other summer camps that have waiting lists, interviews and acceptance ceremonies (Mystic has all of those, I believe). FF to when these kids have kids of their own. Their daughters MUST go to Mystic, which is still revered by these mothers who are in their 20's, 30's or 40's. You probably have a better chance if you're somewhat active in the camp's recruitment activities, etc, just like in many other organizations. Sounds like there's room for 750 or so campers per session. Anyway, many of these women do not work (again, broad brush) as they're full-time raising children (with or without help). This is something for them to do to stay active or engaged with other similar demographic peers and so on.

I don't think any of that is particularly weird. As mentioned earlier, my best friend from HS (may he RIP) met his future wife while working in the camp kitchen several summers. She was a former camper and was at time the equestrian instructor. They had four girls and every year, even before the girls were even old enough to attend would go up to Mystic and visit. I think they even stayed there some of the time when camp wasn't in session. The couple who own the camp and perished on Friday morning were revered by just about anyone who ever had reason to cross paths with Camp Mystic.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Where did they rebuild New Orleans?

I was just there a couple of weeks ago. I don't think they've even cleaned it up much since 2005. Except for City Park. That was nicely put together. 

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I went to CLH for 11 years - 2 as a counselor. I don't really keep up with anyone, but there was a time until my late 20s when I occasionally did. These were kids I'd spent 3 weeks with, every year, in a single room cabin, from age 8-16. Then was a counselor with many of them as well. These things you guys are discussing - text threads, reunions, etc. - are just things all groups of friends do, no? Is it weird to do that with people you went to college with? High school?

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30 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Are you imagining that or do you have specific quotes from specific people?

 

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Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) claimed he was told that New Orleans flood victims only ever asked for help, unlike Iowans who “take care of each other.”

 

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House Speaker and kiddie diddler, Dennis Hastert

"It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed."


 

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Pat Robertson

“Judge Roberts can, maybe, you know, be thankful that a tragedy has brought him some good.”

 


 

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Barbara Bush

“What I’m hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them.”

 

 

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FEMA director, Michael "Brownie" Brown

Too much stupidity to quote it all...

 

Also the internet randos had a fucking blast with this guy:

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I'm sure the internet archive of whatever the equivalent of texags.com was back then was howling with laughter about the whole thing.  

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Posted
1 minute ago, Hermanator said:

I was just there a couple of weeks ago. I don't think they've even cleaned it up much since 2005. Except for City Park. That was nicely put together. 

Is New Orleans still below sea level? Is it still in the Mississippi River flood plain?

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Not for nothing, but 5 out of 5 of my wife's cousins (no pics) that went to Camp Mystic are/were biiiiiiig into Greek Life, and were all debutantes. Camp Mystic ain't fo po' people 

No, it's not.  We peeked at it for our kids, and the ones at this level were $5k and up for a 2 or 3 week session.  Too much for this civil servant. 

 

I wouldn't doubt for a second that exclusive/expensive summer camp attendance is up there behind zip code and private high school attendance for some fraternities and sororities at UT and elsewhere.  In fact, I know it is.  And the parents who send their kids there surely understand this to a large degree, whether it's Mystic, La Junta, Waldemar, Olympia, Ozark, Longhorn, Champion, etc.  But the kids don't figure this out until much later and are there to have fun. 

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1 minute ago, Texas Fight said:

Is New Orleans still below sea level? Is it still in the Mississippi River flood plain?

I don't believe anything changed about that.  You just can't relocate a city like that.  Instead, they improved the levee system and other flood control improvements.  

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1 minute ago, Texas Fight said:

Is New Orleans still below sea level? Is it still in the Mississippi River flood plain?

Of course it is. But it's a city that identifies with that danger. And when it floods again there will be very little federal help, just like last time, and the racism and callousness will shine through. 

It is much tougher to relocate a city than it is a camp for children. Therefore, much dumber to keep sending your rich little white kids into a dangerous flood plain for a few weeks at the end of rainy season. 

But maybe your god enjoys the sacrifice. 

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Posted
36 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Fuck these assholes. 

 

Found on Reddit. Very interesting read. From a 2016 assessment of Kerr county's warning system.

One nugget:

Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support.  The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents.  The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.

 

Another nugget:

COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars.  That's a lot of money.  All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.

JUDGE POLLARD:  Which is when President Obama goes out of office.

(Laughter.)

JUDGE POLLARD:  Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --

MS. KIRBY:  It's a coincidence.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Going on the record with that it's a coincidence.  And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available.  So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.

 

 

lulz wut? I've never heard a siren that tells you what to do. 

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5 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

 

 


 


 

 

Also the internet randos had a fucking blast with this guy:

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I'm sure the internet archive of whatever the equivalent of texags.com was back then was howling with laughter about the whole thing.  

Which of those are the racist quotes? 
 

Dennis Hasterat is a deadbeat pedo. 100%. But exactly what is wrong with his quote? Seems like the majority of folks on here are asking the exact same thing? Why would ever build (or rebuild) in a flood plain after something so devastating?

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3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Of course it is. But it's a city that identifies with that danger. And when it floods again there will be very little federal help, just like last time, and the racism and callousness will shine through. 

It is much tougher to relocate a city than it is a camp for children. Therefore, much dumber to keep sending your rich little white kids into a dangerous flood plain for a few weeks at the end of rainy season. 

But maybe your god enjoys the sacrifice. 

Ok. So you are saying it’s ok for poor, minority kids to live in New Orleans below sea level and support the government from withholding future support there?
 

I’m not sure we have much more to debate on.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I went to CLH for 11 years - 2 as a counselor. I don't really keep up with anyone, but there was a time until my late 20s when I occasionally did. These were kids I'd spent 3 weeks with, every year, in a single room cabin, from age 8-16. Then was a counselor with many of them as well. These things you guys are discussing - text threads, reunions, etc. - are just things all groups of friends do, no? Is it weird to do that with people you went to college with? High school?

Depends on the person and also how old they are. I'm in my 50s, so there wasn't a simple way to keep up with wide groups of friends after high school or college unless you live near them. Guys in the 80s or 90s weren't exactly calling or writing their male friends.

Sounds bad to say but for me most hs or college friends were in the rear view mirror for me as soon as that time ended. I can look at my hs yearbook, see someone that I spent 100s (1000s?) of hours with from 5th-12th grade, and hs graduation was the last time I saw or spoke to them. And obviously I'm in the rear view mirror for them as well. When I hear someone speak about frequently seeing their old friends, it's just a different life experience than I had. Not weird, just different.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Which of those are the racist quotes? 

I suggest you look up the term "dog whistle" because it's on full display in most of those quotes.

Also, let's not forget that a high percentage of anything bad that happened in the city of Houston from 2005 until the dotard's made up "border crisis" was always blamed on Katrina refugees.

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Y'all are just confirming how weird that shit is.  I'll leave it be now.

He, with his 20,00xth post, said on the most recent iteration of a message board where people interact regularly and have formed friendships.

 

Just saying. 

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Eh, we all have our weird shit.  For example, my wife at her first Surly tailgate:

Wife:  "Do you know these people?"

Me:  "Sort of.  Not really."

Wife:  "What's your connection?"

Me:  "The internet."

 

That IS weird. I agree with that. 

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Posted
Just now, C-Man said:

That IS weird. I agree with that. 

What's weirder, this or people who spent 3 weeks at a time with other kids for years, formed friendships, and have kept in touch.

 

I think I know the answer.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Ok. So you are saying it’s ok for poor, minority kids to live in New Orleans below sea level and support the government from withholding future support there?
 

I’m not sure we have much more to debate on.

I'm not debating with you on anything. Of course it's not ok to persecute the poor or minorities, but the US does a great job of it. It's basically this countries' national pastime. That was demonstrated fully during Katrina, and it'll happen again in the future, only worse next time. 

Not sure how that absolves morons from playing thousands of dollars to send their children into well known dangerous flood plains during rainy season, but you go ahead and enjoy your NO fetish

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2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

That IS weird. I agree with that. 

Everyone has their tolerance level for it. The only people that post here I know or ever see are the ones I went to UT with and knew back then. I have zero desire to ever meet anyone else from here. But I can understand why that's not the case for everyone. 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Eh, we all have our weird shit.  For example, my wife at her first Surly tailgate:

Wife:  "Do you know these people?"

Me:  "Sort of.  Not really."

Wife:  "What's your connection?"

Me:  "They all banged my mom."

 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Ted Cruz postulating at the PC right now. What a fucking tool.

When they said "could've been worse" at the first presser, Ted being there is the "worse" we all had in mind.

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Posted
I went to MO several times in the mid 70s.  Brisket can correct me, but I remember it being a retreat for Marathon Oil?  Some oil company or another.  It was a great camp compared to the scout camps I attended.  They have this old water slide there that was super fun.  There's a video of it attached.  But when we used it, there were no walls on either side.  The pain in the ass was hauling that wooden luge thing back up, so the second year we brought some rope, a pulley and some barbell weights. We used that to pull the cart back up the track instead of lugging it.  worked pretty well.  
That was a really fun and clean camp.  All presbyterian run, and they were even laxer than the methodists at that time.  Always made sure I went along on those trips if i could.
 

Moran, was the head of Conoco. Eventually donated to the church (ironically, Moran was a BIG Catholic, there’s a whole story).
The slide is absolutely still there, the sleds, the whole deal. It’s legendary. They do a big polar bear fundraiser thing on it in the winter.
Also, found out today someone close to me had a daughter at Mystic. She was at the Cypress camp, so she’s fine. But goddamn.
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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Everyone has their tolerance level for it. The only people that post here I know or ever see are the ones I went to UT with and knew back then. I have zero desire to ever meet anyone else from here. But I can understand why that's not the case for everyone. 

Ouch.

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5 minutes ago, dcbc said:

What's weirder, this or people who spent 3 weeks at a time with other kids for years, formed friendships, and have kept in touch.

 

I think I know the answer.

Nothing is weird about young people making friends and staying in touch over the years. Some people, it would seem, have a hard time understanding how a summer camp would be a place where that sort of thing would happen.

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14 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Ok. So you are saying it’s ok for poor, minority kids to live in New Orleans below sea level and support the government from withholding future support there?
 

I’m not sure we have much more to debate on.

What the fuck is your problem?

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Spanish language media quietly doing a great job interviewing counselors who moved children to safety

For the Peggy Hills of the world, YouTube closed captions has a half-decent (emphasis on half) automatic translation feature.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Nothing is weird about young people making friends and staying in touch over the years. Some people, it would seem, have a hard time understanding how a summer camp would be a place where that sort of thing would happen.

I felt like that was the correct answer as well.  And I say that as someone who did not keep up with anyone from summer camp.  But I can still remember their names and have run into a couple of them over the years.

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20 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Eh, we all have our weird shit.  For example, my wife at her first Surly tailgate:

Wife:  "Do you know these people?"

Me:  "Sort of.  Not really."

Wife:  "What's your connection?"

Me:  "The internet. Mom"

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Bookman said:

It's Monday morning and heads should start rolling but we all know they won't. 

it's going to take some time (2 weeks!) to find out if the parents of these girls are going to sacrifice them to the orange god

the republican newspeak regime owns these deaths - as pointed out they've been in power in texas for 31 years - they can't blame biden or kamala or obama for kerrville's idiotic lack of storm sirens - and the serendipity (!) of this tragedy happening on July 4th should not be lost on the religious right - it could have been simply a local texas thing but no - wheels and gnome had to suck orange cock on national presser for no reason whatsoever - so they made this tragedy the ultimate test of magat loyalty - will the parents of these girls sacrifice them to the orange god? - or will they bring the wrath of the god of abraham?

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Some dipshit reporter just asked the Kerrville City Manager to address speculation that this event was perhaps man-involved weather modification with rain-maker tech for farmland or some such idiocy.

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44 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

I don't think it's weird per se. I hate to paint with a very large brush but think about the demographics. There aren't any poor kids going to Mystic or Waldemar or any of the other summer camps that have waiting lists, interviews and acceptance ceremonies (Mystic has all of those, I believe). FF to when these kids have kids of their own. Their daughters MUST go to Mystic, which is still revered by these mothers who are in their 20's, 30's or 40's. You probably have a better chance if you're somewhat active in the camp's recruitment activities, etc, just like in many other organizations. Sounds like there's room for 750 or so campers per session. Anyway, many of these women do not work (again, broad brush) as they're full-time raising children (with or without help). This is something for them to do to stay active or engaged with other similar demographic peers and so on.

I don't think any of that is particularly weird. As mentioned earlier, my best friend from HS (may he RIP) met his future wife while working in the camp kitchen several summers. She was a former camper and was at time the equestrian instructor. They had four girls and every year, even before the girls were even old enough to attend would go up to Mystic and visit. I think they even stayed there some of the time when camp wasn't in session. The couple who own the camp and perished on Friday morning were revered by just about anyone who ever had reason to cross paths with Camp Mystic.

it has become increasingly a thing of the upper class, whereas just a few decades ago, it was middle, upper-middle.  And, from my observation, broad brush, yeah, it's stay at home moms-- with nannies.  So not just upper class, but getting into idle rich territory.

It's just another aspect of asset inflation and wealth disparity.

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Posted
14 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

When they said "could've been worse" at the first presser, Ted being there is the "worse" we all had in mind.

How many times has that insufferable cunt mentioned his podcast? 

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Some dipshit reporter just asked the Kerrville City Manager to address speculation that this event was perhaps man-involved weather modification with rain-maker tech for farmland or some such idiocy.

Thor Yes GIFs | Tenor

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39 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Eh, we all have our weird shit.  For example, my wife at her first Surly tailgate:

Wife:  "Do you know these people?"

Me:  "Sort of.  Not really."

Wife:  "What's your connection?"

Me:  "The internet."

 

The sign at the tailgate is pretty clear. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I mean, it's been 20 years.  Were you alive? Paying attention?

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9600878

That piece of shit Franklin Graham for one.

Google "hurricane Katrina God's vengeance."

Here is one from Ray Nagin that seems racist. He was re-elected after this. 


In response to a question at a town hall meeting in October 2005, Nagin said: "I can see in your eyes, you want to know, '[h]ow do I take advantage of this incredible opportunity? How do I make sure New Orleans is not overrun with Mexican workers?'"[26] Some Hispanic groups, including the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, criticized Nagin's statement,[27] although those attending the town hall meeting reportedly applauded—many believing jobs should first go to locals displaced by the hurricane.

Posted
47 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I think lawsuits and rebuild costs (especially if the camp buildings and other improvements were underinsured) are pretty big obstacles to overcome.

And remember that they demolished Robb Elementary.  I know a mass school shooting is different.  But for similar reasons, I think there's going to be too much pain associated with that site to allow for Camp Mystic to ever return.

And on a related note, since these "rare" flood events are becoming much more common, I wonder how many parents who send their kids to Texas camps located along a river or lake will reconsider.  And for those camps who aren't located in areas as vulnerable, you can bet your ass that their leadership will be preparing detailed disaster response plans and circulate those to parents in the coming years.

Last year, my business partner's daughter attended a camp in Marble Falls on one of the lakes. They got a weather warning a couple of days in advance to evacuate and everyone was removed from the camp. Do you believe the lawsuits will be hinged around the national weather alert that went out on Thursday at 1pm, and of course, the Friday 1am flash flood alert?  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Redneck Mutha said:

Yes, it's a different scale - bigger area, less cell coverage, longer period of time - but it's hard to believe those camps and/or county can't pay OT to sheriff, DPS, BP a few nights a year to keep watch over several thousand young campers and families that are bringing in millions (10s of millions?) to local businesses. Hell, even if it's just one patrolman per camp, at least you can have urgent communication going out to those onsite or nearby officers, they can wake counselors and coordinate evacs to high ground or to better shelter if tornadoes hit.

if 20 sets of white parents call a news conference and angrily demand answers to questions like this the magats are going to scramble like roaches when the lights are turned on - their only recourse will be to eat themselves - they will have no other "other" to attack or blame for the tragedy

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1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

20 sets of white parents

It's not that they're white, although it doesn't hurt. It's that they're wealthy, they're influential, and they have on speed dial everyone who matters in Austin and DC. I don't think there will even be a need for lawsuits, they'll just fastforward to Abbott convening a special session to cut each of those families a $10M check courtesy of John Q Taxpayer.

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This wild post came out two hours ago from the Austin Firefighters Association. They are apparently furious and claiming that the Austin Fire Chief would not deploy his water rescue teams due to budget concerns. 

It brings the Austin Firefighters no pleasure to report to the community that the Austin Fire Chief DENIED the deployment of Austin firefighters to Kerrville until very late into the event (so today!), with the exception of only 3 AFD rescue swimmers who helped staff helo teams (which still were NOT deployed until the afternoon of the 4th).
The Austin Firefighter Special Operations teams are specially trained for Hill Country swift water rescue and are some of the best, if not the best, swift water boat teams in the State of Texas.
It is absolutely outrageous that the Austin Fire Chief, Joel G. Baker, would not allow highly trained firefighters from Austin to respond to Kerrville. Because of this egregious dereliction of duty, LIVES WERE VERY LIKELY LOST BECAUSE OF CHIEF BAKER’S DECISION!
Deployment orders came down from the State of Texas on July 2. We would've been pre-deployed before the waters even began to rise!
It is unforgivable that a fire chief would NOT allow his firefighters to answer the call to save lives.
Why would Fire Chief Joel G. Baker do this, you may ask? It was a misguided attempt to save money. I say “misguided” because the fire department is fully reimbursed by the state to deploy. I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.
We are disgusted with our fire chief. He needs to be held accountable and fired for his disgraceful dereliction of duty.
The Austin Firefighters are starting a vote of no confidence on Tuesday on the fire chief.
As disgusted as we are at our Austin Fire Department leadership, the Austin Firefighters Association made a decision to not air our dirty laundry while victims and bodies were still being recovered. But it's now July 7, and it's time that we hold accountable our disgraced fire chief, AND anybody else in his leadership circle who are responsible for this horrendous act.
The Austin Firefighters commit to being transparent to the community about this process to remove our fire chief and hold all of those accountable who were part of this atrocity.
The firefighters hope we have your support, because it's going to get ugly.
I can't possibly express to you how outraged and sickened the firefighters are that we were not allowed to do the job—the job that we have trained so hard and long to do—during the historic floods that just occurred in Kerrville. We could've made a difference, and we were forced to stand down and lives were lost.
The community deserves a fire chief who cares about the community as much as our firefighters, and that is simply not the case. Joel G. Baker must go!
Please support your Austin Firefighters by sharing this post.
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Posted
1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

Fuck these assholes. 

 

Found on Reddit. Very interesting read. From a 2016 assessment of Kerr county's warning system.

One nugget:

Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support.  The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents.  The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.

 

Another nugget:

COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars.  That's a lot of money.  All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.

JUDGE POLLARD:  Which is when President Obama goes out of office.

(Laughter.)

JUDGE POLLARD:  Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --

MS. KIRBY:  It's a coincidence.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Going on the record with that it's a coincidence.  And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available.  So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.

 

 

if i'm reading this correctly, they turned down $1mil of free fema grant money for storm sirens because it would have meant using an obama disaster declaration to get the money using the 2015 flood which killed the kids in the school bus

there are 2 streets in highland park this morning with green and white ribbons on at least one tree for multiple houses

someone with river oaks access please do a driveby and report back

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