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9 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Last year, my business partner's daughter attended a camp in Marble Falls on one of the lakes. They got a weather warning a couple of days in advance to evacuate and everyone was removed from the camp. Do you believe the lawsuits will be hinged around the national weather alert that went out on Thursday at 1pm, and of course, the Friday 1am flash flood alert?  

I don't know -- I hadn't done a deep dive in the communications that the camp leadership may have received. 

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4 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

This wild post came out two hours ago from the Austin Firefighters Association. They are apparently furious and claiming that the Austin Fire Chief would not deploy his water rescue teams due to budget concerns. 

It brings the Austin Firefighters no pleasure to report to the community that the Austin Fire Chief DENIED the deployment of Austin firefighters to Kerrville until very late into the event (so today!), with the exception of only 3 AFD rescue swimmers who helped staff helo teams (which still were NOT deployed until the afternoon of the 4th).
The Austin Firefighter Special Operations teams are specially trained for Hill Country swift water rescue and are some of the best, if not the best, swift water boat teams in the State of Texas.
It is absolutely outrageous that the Austin Fire Chief, Joel G. Baker, would not allow highly trained firefighters from Austin to respond to Kerrville. Because of this egregious dereliction of duty, LIVES WERE VERY LIKELY LOST BECAUSE OF CHIEF BAKER’S DECISION!
Deployment orders came down from the State of Texas on July 2. We would've been pre-deployed before the waters even began to rise!
It is unforgivable that a fire chief would NOT allow his firefighters to answer the call to save lives.
Why would Fire Chief Joel G. Baker do this, you may ask? It was a misguided attempt to save money. I say “misguided” because the fire department is fully reimbursed by the state to deploy. I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.
We are disgusted with our fire chief. He needs to be held accountable and fired for his disgraceful dereliction of duty.
The Austin Firefighters are starting a vote of no confidence on Tuesday on the fire chief.
As disgusted as we are at our Austin Fire Department leadership, the Austin Firefighters Association made a decision to not air our dirty laundry while victims and bodies were still being recovered. But it's now July 7, and it's time that we hold accountable our disgraced fire chief, AND anybody else in his leadership circle who are responsible for this horrendous act.
The Austin Firefighters commit to being transparent to the community about this process to remove our fire chief and hold all of those accountable who were part of this atrocity.
The firefighters hope we have your support, because it's going to get ugly.
I can't possibly express to you how outraged and sickened the firefighters are that we were not allowed to do the job—the job that we have trained so hard and long to do—during the historic floods that just occurred in Kerrville. We could've made a difference, and we were forced to stand down and lives were lost.
The community deserves a fire chief who cares about the community as much as our firefighters, and that is simply not the case. Joel G. Baker must go!
Please support your Austin Firefighters by sharing this post.
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I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, immamac said:

The sign at the tailgate is pretty clear. 

Yeah, it's right there on the sign.  But still, when I heard myself tell my wife, "I'm serious, I only know these people from an anonymous website," I understood how that might be weird from her perspective.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

if i'm reading this correctly, they turned down $1mil of free fema grant money for storm sirens because it would have meant using an obama disaster declaration to get the money using the 2015 flood which killed the kids in the school bus

 

That's the way I read it. They didn't want to pursue it because it was money from Obama, or someshit.

Imagine not doing the right thing because the leadership paying for it doesn't "play for the same team". 

People, unfortunately many of them in leadership roles, have LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

It may get rebuilt, but by the new owners after these people get sued into oblivion.

it should be razed to the ground, all traces of human construction removed, including the foundations and roads, and returned to hill country floodplain

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if 20 sets of white parents call a news conference and angrily demand answers to questions like this the magats are going to scramble like roaches when the lights are turned on - their only recourse will be to eat themselves - they will have no other "other" to attack or blame for the tragedy

Man….you’ve learned nothing. Our leaders will blame Biden and Obama, probably saying that they HAD to divert resources that could have been used for flooding to chase dirty illegals. So really, it’s the fault of dirty brown people.
You know that’s correct. The one thing they will NEVER do is take any responsibility.
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Posted
1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

I do not understand the accusation either. Just sharing it for info. Perhaps this is the result of an ongoing feud. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:

The Camp Mystic Cypress Creek camp did not flood at all. That is the camp where the kids were evacuated to during the flood. 

thank you for this nugget - i had not seen it

Posted
8 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

if i'm reading this correctly, they turned down $1mil of free fema grant money for storm sirens because it would have meant using an obama disaster declaration to get the money using the 2015 flood which killed the kids in the school bus

there are 2 streets in highland park this morning with green and white ribbons on at least one tree for multiple houses

someone with river oaks access please do a driveby and report back

Many more than two. I think all the elementary schools (five) do as well. The block where our friends live who lost their daughter is adorned with pink ribbons.

Posted (edited)
30 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Some dipshit reporter just asked the Kerrville City Manager to address speculation that this event was perhaps man-involved weather modification with rain-maker tech for farmland or some such idiocy.

At some point these dipshits will hopefully understand that global warming is not only making downpours more frequent, but more intense, as well.

 

7 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Yeah, it's right there on the sign.  But still, when I heard myself tell my wife, "I'm serious, I only know these people from an anonymous website," I understood how that might be weird from her perspective.

Your side piece would've understood.

 

Anyway here's the Kerrville cm along with all the cowards in city leadership running out of the room yesterday while a reporter yells at him that parents are demanding answers.

 

 

 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

I do not understand the accusation either. Just sharing it for info. Perhaps this is the result of an ongoing feud. 

Looks like the facebook crowd has found their black villain

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8 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

June, July, whatever it takes.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

I could argue that they may have been needed here given the loss of life in northern/northwest Travis County and Burnet County.

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Posted
36 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Some dipshit reporter just asked the Kerrville City Manager to address speculation that this event was perhaps man-involved weather modification with rain-maker tech for farmland or some such idiocy.

All I know is that there were an awful lot of chemtrails over the Hill County last week.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I could argue that they may have been needed here given the loss of life in northern/northwest Travis County and Burnet County.

Can't recall which presser the other day (ATC, Wilco, Burnet) that mentioned they had sent a team to Kerr but then at some point had to recall them once things started getting sideways back home.

I got a little irritated that they would send people at all given the threat in their home jurisdiction and then after bringing them back, expecting them to be full strength to do their jobs here. Can't imagine the physical and mental toll those guys went through.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I could argue that they may have been needed here given the loss of life in northern/northwest Travis County and Burnet County.

I'm sure they were pissed thinking they could've helped. Maybe some are even pissed they missed their hero moment. Whatever. It was a prudent decision to keep them here because of the threat of that shit happening here in Austin.

Whoever agreed to publish that has their hearts in the right place. Their heads are unfortunately somewhere else.

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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

I think lawsuits and rebuild costs (especially if the camp buildings and other improvements were underinsured) are pretty big obstacles to overcome.

And on a related note, since these "rare" flood events are becoming much more common, I wonder how many parents who send their kids to Texas camps located along a river or lake will reconsider.  And for those camps who aren't located in areas as vulnerable, you can bet your ass that their leadership will be preparing detailed disaster response plans and circulate those to parents in the coming years.

i like the quotes around "rare" because the aerial imagery makes clear these are not 500- or even 100- year events

if it's flat next to a river in the hill country, it's a floodplain

hydrology

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Eventually we will learn that most of the dead were not people who would have survived if the rescue operations had been better staffed. These deaths were 99% drownings or blunt force injuries, not starvation or dehydrations caused by delayed rescues. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. However, when we say someone was "swept away" they are pretty much guaranteed not to survive that even when it's a small urban stream. This was a huge river of dirty water full of trees and debris flowing at highway speeds.

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1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:

Is New Orleans still below sea level? Is it still in the Mississippi River flood plain?

do you live in or anywhere near houston, corpus, south florida or any place else from matagorda to maine that's subject to hurricane storm surge?

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21 minutes ago, Chopper said:

At some point these dipshits will hopefully understand that global warming is not only making downpours more frequent, but more intense, as well.

Saw a social media post explaining cloud seeding, attached to a map of where it happens, and postulates that heavy rain events might be due to this practice.  So there’s still an alternate path for them to cling to.

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5 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i like the quotes around "rare" because the aerial imagery makes clear these are not 500- or even 100- year events

if it's flat next to a river in the hill country, it's a floodplain

hydrology

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It's flat because it's esentially a creek bed for when the creek floods, which is what creeks do when it torrentially rains upstream. In the past, people avoided putting anything permanent in these areas. Now it's premium real estate.

And that's how we got here.

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And, look, I love EMT and firefighters and all first responders as much as everyone else.

These brave public servants are heroes, but five nerds sitting in a shitty office in New Braunfels with supercomputers who have probably saved hundreds more lives deserve just as much celebration.

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

These brave public servants are heroes, but five nerds sitting in a shitty office in New Braunfels with supercomputers who have probably saved hundreds more lives deserve just as much celebration.

And we thank you and your four friends for your service.

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Posted
48 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

It's not that they're white, although it doesn't hurt. It's that they're wealthy, they're influential, and they have on speed dial everyone who matters in Austin and DC. I don't think there will even be a need for lawsuits, they'll just fastforward to Abbott convening a special session to cut each of those families a $10M check courtesy of John Q Taxpayer.

in other words, the parents will have sold their girls' souls for $500k each to stand down and endorse the regime

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51 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

This wild post came out two hours ago from the Austin Firefighters Association. They are apparently furious and claiming that the Austin Fire Chief would not deploy his water rescue teams due to budget concerns. 

It brings the Austin Firefighters no pleasure to report to the community that the Austin Fire Chief DENIED the deployment of Austin firefighters to Kerrville until very late into the event (so today!), with the exception of only 3 AFD rescue swimmers who helped staff helo teams (which still were NOT deployed until the afternoon of the 4th).
The Austin Firefighter Special Operations teams are specially trained for Hill Country swift water rescue and are some of the best, if not the best, swift water boat teams in the State of Texas.
It is absolutely outrageous that the Austin Fire Chief, Joel G. Baker, would not allow highly trained firefighters from Austin to respond to Kerrville. Because of this egregious dereliction of duty, LIVES WERE VERY LIKELY LOST BECAUSE OF CHIEF BAKER’S DECISION!
Deployment orders came down from the State of Texas on July 2. We would've been pre-deployed before the waters even began to rise!
It is unforgivable that a fire chief would NOT allow his firefighters to answer the call to save lives.
Why would Fire Chief Joel G. Baker do this, you may ask? It was a misguided attempt to save money. I say “misguided” because the fire department is fully reimbursed by the state to deploy. I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.
We are disgusted with our fire chief. He needs to be held accountable and fired for his disgraceful dereliction of duty.
The Austin Firefighters are starting a vote of no confidence on Tuesday on the fire chief.
As disgusted as we are at our Austin Fire Department leadership, the Austin Firefighters Association made a decision to not air our dirty laundry while victims and bodies were still being recovered. But it's now July 7, and it's time that we hold accountable our disgraced fire chief, AND anybody else in his leadership circle who are responsible for this horrendous act.
The Austin Firefighters commit to being transparent to the community about this process to remove our fire chief and hold all of those accountable who were part of this atrocity.
The firefighters hope we have your support, because it's going to get ugly.
I can't possibly express to you how outraged and sickened the firefighters are that we were not allowed to do the job—the job that we have trained so hard and long to do—during the historic floods that just occurred in Kerrville. We could've made a difference, and we were forced to stand down and lives were lost.
The community deserves a fire chief who cares about the community as much as our firefighters, and that is simply not the case. Joel G. Baker must go!
Please support your Austin Firefighters by sharing this post.
Please check this page for updates

WHOA - HOLY SHIT - "DEPLOYMENT ORDERS CAME DOWN FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS ON THE 2ND"

holy fuck

that's bad

that's very bad for the regime

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Posted
52 minutes ago, bluto said:

Did Trump write that for them, or is that just the style of the day now. 

they used the word "ATROCITY" so no, he didn't

wow

this is going poorly for the regime this morning......

ATROCITY

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Posted

Extreme events like this are going to become more common and we must learn how to deal with them. This includes improving infrastructure to withstand more intense precipitation as well as upgrading our warning systems so people can evacuate at-risk areas safely.

Both of those cost money, which people don’t want to pay for. From the NYTimes article:

In an interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive, and local residents are resistant to new spending.

“Taxpayers won’t pay for it,” Mr. Kelly said. Asked if people might reconsider in light of the catastrophe, he said, “I don’t know.”

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

lulz wut? I've never heard a siren that tells you what to do. 

In Tulsa there is a river rise siren that uses a cadence that sounds very different than the tornado siren. It means leave the river bank for higher ground. I’ve only heard it a couple of times and the first time I had to google what it meant. They should probably do more education on it tbh. They also apparently have a nuclear attack cadence from the tornado sirens that I’ve never heard and is never tested.

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Posted
54 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

there are 2 streets in highland park this morning with green and white ribbons on at least one tree for multiple houses

someone with river oaks access please do a driveby and report back

Energy Corridor around Memorial and Kempwood had a bunch of green ribbons and bows on trees

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Posted
49 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

the last time i checked, the only recurring flash flood in austin, BELOW the balcones escarpment, is shoal creek, and as the author stated, they are trained for HILL COUNTRY flash floods in swift water; now, town lake might be a candidate for a flood.....  hold it, sorry, there's a dam with 56% of it's available capacity just upstream.....

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

They also apparently have a nuclear attack cadence from the tornado sirens that I’ve never heard and is never tested.

Seems like it would be useless, other than a heads up that you are about to die. 

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Posted
50 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The one thing they will NEVER do is take any responsibility.

the rich parents of these white girls that were screaming for their lives as they were ripped away to drown in a biblical flood can choose to make them do so

or they can take the check and take a knee

we'll see what happens

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Posted

We have a siren system in Lake Charles mainly to alert for plant emergencies but also tornado, flooding, etc. It pops off for testing every Monday at 12:15pm. If you hear it anytime other than Monday 12:15, it's time to get your shit together. They also just upgraded it last year to include recorded voice message capability. 

If fucking Lake Charles can do it I know Kerrville is capable. 

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Posted
53 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

I do not understand the accusation either. Just sharing it for info. Perhaps this is the result of an ongoing feud. 

ok put aside the deployment/budget contest.....

the STATE had decided ON THE 2ND there was a potential problem.....

.....

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how did 80 people still die?

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I'm surprised how many posters are not familiar with summer camps.  Its not like they only occur in Texas.  My parents sent me to a YMCA camp when I was in elementary school.  Camp Cullen.  I hated it.  Was just not for me.  Definitely was not a "rich" camp as I remember a mix of everyone being there including once kid who had to get dialysis while camping.  Olympia was across the lake from us and I think that was the "nicer" camp.  They had one of those giant air bags like stuntmen use to jump into the lake.

I went to boy scout camp at El Rancho Cima near the Devil's Backbone.  That I liked better but camping still really wasn't my thing.  At least that camp was beautiful - really pretty countryside and swimming in the Blanco (watch for the leeches).  Our tents were mostly elevated up from the river... I want to say we were just below that ridge on the Blanco:

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AKA

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Ironically, the camp was severely damaged during the 2015 Memorial Day floods but was not yet in session because summer had not started.  Just another example of a camp destroyed by flash flooding.  Glad to say much of that will now be Hays County parkland (https://www.nature.org/en-us/about-us/where-we-work/united-states/texas/stories-in-texas/hays-park-bond/).

You wouldn’t know it looking at the serene landscape now, but the 2015 Memorial Day weekend flood that devastated Wimberley also dealt a deathblow to the nearby historic Boy Scout camp, El Rancho Cima.

Sweeping away entire structures along the banks of the Blanco River, the flood obliterated a camp that has been owned and operated by the Sam Houston Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America since 1954.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2018/03/15/boy-scouts-selling-historic-el-rancho-cima/10005450007/

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Posted
1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:

Here is one from Ray Nagin that seems racist. He was re-elected after this. 


In response to a question at a town hall meeting in October 2005, Nagin said: "I can see in your eyes, you want to know, '[h]ow do I take advantage of this incredible opportunity? How do I make sure New Orleans is not overrun with Mexican workers?'"[26] Some Hispanic groups, including the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, criticized Nagin's statement,[27] although those attending the town hall meeting reportedly applauded—many believing jobs should first go to locals displaced by the hurricane.

Look, the point is not to tit for tat.  

This Perkins chick made an horrendous comment.

Many of the same type of sentiments were expressed about browns and Katrina.  And they were less isolated.

It isn't exclusively one side or the other.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

The accusation makes perfect sense to me, DEI scapegoat.

https://www.kut.org/life-arts/2019-07-24/a-conversation-with-joel-baker-austins-first-african-american-fire-chief

Joel G. Baker (@JoelGBaker) / X

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On 7/6/2025 at 11:36 AM, RomaVicta said:

I wish Sam Houston or Lyndon Johnson were around to cuff these phonies around the room until they cried. Then run out of town on the ends of pitchforks. Then airlifted to an active volcano for a last trolley ride to hell.

All places are special. The way that Texas was special is pretty much all gone. Phonies in cowboy hats and boots appealing to the phonies in cowboy boots and hats that fill the state. I've never owned cowboy boots. I wear a cowboy hat when I'm going to be in the sun for an extended period of time. I'd like to cuff these phonies around the room until they cry.

Who is with me?

Cosigned. So sick of all the fake bullshit wannabe cowboy posers. Where do we start?

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Look, the point is not to tit for tat.  

This Perkins chick made an horrendous comment.

Many of the same type of sentiments were expressed about browns and Katrina.  And they were less isolated.

It isn't exclusively one side or the other.

Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other.  But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.

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2 hours ago, dcbc said:

He, with his 20,00xth post, said on the most recent iteration of a message board where people interact regularly and have formed friendships.

 

Just saying. 

I don't mingle with any of you riffraff in real life.  Besides, I don't remember going through a selection process, acceptance ceremony or any of that other weird shit to participate here.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I'm supposed to be mad about a non-deployment decision from June 2 that might have improved rescue operations on June 4? How long does it actually take to bring out swift boats from Austin to Kerr County? Wouldn't Baker needed to have known, ahead of time, exactly where along the Guadalupe to send those boats? Is that even possible? And if he'd done that and the rain bomb had landed in the City of Austin how would Baker explain that the swift boats were several counties away?

I'm sorry I just don't understand the accusation here.

I read a case study about the response to the Pentagon Sept 11th attack a few years ago.  

So many "cowboy" fire departments responded there was no way for Arlington FD to control what was going on at the site.  Best part: people were parking everywhere without much thought about access for everyone else. 

54 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

However, when we say someone was "swept away" they are pretty much guaranteed not to survive that even when it's a small urban stream. This was a huge river of dirty water full of trees and debris flowing at highway speeds.

I was amazed at some of the footage I've seen.  Looks like the Delaware River (but the Delaware looks like that all the time).

It also reminded me of the speed and debris from the 2004 tsunami. 

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1 minute ago, Willfully Horn said:

I don’t see how race has any bearing on the camp director’s negligence. The claim that these camps are exclusively white should be easy to disprove.

Right?

at least two counselors were Mexican nationals

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

at least two counselors were Mexican nationals

There you go.

Edited to say it’s no surprise that Princeton grad lady didn’t have correct facts. She thought the Guadalupe was in East Texas.

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10 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I don't mingle with any of you riffraff in real life.  Besides, I don't remember going through a selection process, acceptance ceremony or any of that other weird shit to participate here.

Damn you missed out.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other.  But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.

I don't think people are making it about that.

They are acknowledging that the Mystic girls come from some relatively powerful circles or adjacent thereto and the authorities will likely be held to account as much as possible, which may be in contrast to tragedies occurring in poorer communities.

And also about the simple fact that Texas Hill Country camps are now expensive, therefore exclusive, and pretty much accoutrement of the upper class.  They've been around for a long time without necessarily being that, except in the de facto sense.  Apparently a lot of people are unfamiliar with the phenomenon.

There's also some legitimate talk about how the current regimes in Austin and DC operate on a "government doesn't work" theory, which they usually prove in spades when they're in office without ever reducing overall government spending.

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6 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other.  But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.

it seems you are interpreting the concentration of sentiment around the privileged daughters of rich white folk as "shaming"

that's not my intent nor do i believe anyone else on this forum shares that intent

we're in the cloak room, sir

the dead adults in tents and rv's do not represent a threat to the regime

we're not making it about one side or the other

we're using the facts to support a narrative regarding accountability

not alternative facts

real, actual, facts

so, to help you out, allow me to shame the adult camping dead: they and their surviving relatives represent no threat to holding the regime accountable for the atrocity

 

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6 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

I don’t see how race has any bearing on the camp director’s negligence. The claim that these camps are exclusively white should be easy to disprove.

Right?

Only thing I could find from 2016 and 2022 alumni events.  I'm not digging deeper since it won't matter.   I don't know if its necessarily a white or black or brown issue.  Its definitely a camp for those with money and connection and it does sound like the Greek system to me (yes, I was in the Greek system so not hating per se).  I probably know people in that picture.  I'm not looking.  That said, the idea of sending my kid to a camp for 30 days sounds absolutely bonkers.   That sounds more like "give me 30 days of freedom" versus "I want you to experience camp".  I think Ozark maybe does that, too.

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On 7/6/2025 at 11:55 AM, RomaVicta said:

Yea. I didn't know about those, but I was wondering about what real time info authorities get on rising water. Relying on flash flood watches or warnings that go out whenever there's a storm is kind of like relying on the boy who cries wolf. Flash floods for most of us are impassable roads not unstoppable torrents hundreds of feet wide killing everything in its path.

If an event like this could have been predicted at all, why not air raid sirens?

No phones needed. No registration. Just a direct, audible warning to everyone along the river. Add flashing lights for the deaf. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.

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14 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other.  But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.

I don't think anyone here is really pointing fingers because the victims were rich white Christians.  I think that was just a side conversation.  The fingers are being pointed at the local officials and camp management for knowing the risks (as people who live in the hill country) and, in the first case, choosing to waive off reasonable safety mechanisms (river gauges + sirens) and, in the second place, not having in place and/or following an emergency plan for how to get 100+ (?) under-10-yos out of a flood plain when the worst case scenario happened.

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