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He played in a handful of games as he was hurt all last year.  He was 24.  High school and directional school ball doesn’t have the power in hits to helmet.  Blaming CTE for this is delusional.  
 
Ummm, what?

Please share the medical reports detailing how CTE can only be obtained by playing in Power 4 conferences or the NFL.

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1 hour ago, Scholz said:

Didn't say it wasn't heartbreaking. Just saying wait a while and the problems will get better. Problems "feeling" permanent when they're not is not a reason to end your life. 

From outside this looks like the logical answer.  It’s the way life works.  Terrible issues usually dissipate.  But once a person enters that world where suicide appears as the path to ending their pain, whether it’s brain chemistry, or emotional, or genetic, it’s a very complex basket of snakes to untangle.  
 

the “wait a while scenario” usually only works with strong intervention, therapy, love, and monitoring.  And still it often results in failure to prevent it.  
 

I have a friend who’s 12 year old daughter did it out of the blue.  Can’t imagine the guilt and pain.  Several others thru the years who did for odd reasons that just destroyed their families.  

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4 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Ummm, what?

Please share the medical reports detailing how CTE can only be obtained by playing in Power 4 conferences or the NFL.
 

Yeah, I'm not so sure about that.  Present in 21% of high school football players. https://www.bu.edu/articles/2017/cte-former-nfl-players/ The main issue seems to be repetitiveness and hs players may not have had sufficient reps.

And, while the permanent/temporary thing is true as far as it goes, it reflects a misunderstanding or failure to understand depression, suicidal ideation, and related mental health issues.

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11 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Please share the medical reports detailing how CTE can only be obtained by playing in Power 4 conferences or the NFL.

you're basically making an argument against yourself here.

the guy had a history of mental illness.

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Unless he donated his brain for study I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe his family can donate it if they want to know? I think it's a fair question but should be answered only if the family wants to know.

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, I'm not so sure about that.  Present in 21% of high school football players. https://www.bu.edu/articles/2017/cte-former-nfl-players/ The main issue seems to be repetitiveness and hs players may not have had sufficient reps.

too little is known about CTE to draw any significant conclusions from any studies currently available.  for the most part it's only looked for in former athletes but it has been found in people who have never played contact sports in their life.  it could be a physiological process that occurs with aging.  it could be largely asymptomatic.  while there is some data it comes from an extremely narrow subset of the population; >99.99% of the time when people pass away they aren't checking for CTE post mortem.

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14 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:


And you know this how?

Because I understand how football works. He wouldve been preparing for the game instead of out late doing whatever led to this mess. When it's a bye week, the team basically cuts you loose for the week and you lose that week to week structure and schedule that you were getting. 

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10 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Because I understand how football works. He wouldve been preparing for the game instead of out late doing whatever led to this mess. When it's a bye week, the team basically cuts you loose for the week and you lose that week to week structure and schedule that you were getting. 

Weird comment. He had all offseason to commit suicide. I love wild ass assumptions. 

I understand how dismissive “permanent solution to temporary problem” can sound. Callous as it may sound, it’s absolutely true. It’s just really sad that he apparently wasn’t getting the help he needed to begin to see that. I wish we could all take a break from being angry at each other and presumptuous, and just sit and reflect about how tragic this is. 

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15 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Because I understand how football works. He wouldve been preparing for the game instead of out late doing whatever led to this mess. When it's a bye week, the team basically cuts you loose for the week and you lose that week to week structure and schedule that you were getting. 

It was sometime after 10:30pm on a Wednesday.  If there was a game Sunday, what structure/schedule would he be under that limits ones ability for self harm?

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10 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said:

I wish we could all take a break from being angry at each other and presumptuous,

get fucked, asshole.  if this were a game week he would still be alive.  period.

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1 hour ago, Texzilla58 said:

He played in a handful of games as he was hurt all last year.  He was 24.  High school and directional school ball doesn’t have the power in hits to helmet.  Blaming CTE for this is delusional.  
 

100% wrong

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2 hours ago, Scholz said:

Didn't say it wasn't heartbreaking. Just saying wait a while and the problems will get better. Problems "feeling" permanent when they're not is not a reason to end your life. 

jesus christ. it pains me to know that fully grown adults can think like this. 

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1 hour ago, markstanco said:

My father's best friend did it to himself after failing twice before, he was a well known doctor with a beautiful family.  He thought nobody liked him, and that was the reason.  At the funeral people were turned away from the church and had to stay outside. About 5 years ago his daughter did the same thing. 

Wow, that's awful about the daughter. Just as studies seem to indicate that the propensity to commit crime may be hereditary, (they tracked families in Philadelphia that were criminals over many generations) perhaps the urge to kill yourself can also be inherited.   

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jesus christ. it pains me to know that fully grown adults can think like this. 

Typically, when you go full Derka I tend to check out of the thread involved. In this instance, I fully support it. Between the comment you quoted and Hornsby’s most recent intelligent ramblings it is very clear that even in 2025 our society still has so much to learn about mental health.
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2 hours ago, Texzilla58 said:

What demons get into a kid’s head as he looks so successful?  The Cowboys have always done much to help their players with personal troubles whether Gregory, or Tyron Smith, Josh Brent, or even Kelvin Joseph.  Jerry loves redemption stories.  

so many people still have zero understanding of mental illness. after stuff like this happens people love to post stuff like, “check in on your loved ones” and “reach out to someone if you need help”, but neither of those things are realistic options. you reaching out to a mentally ill person will affect whether or not they harm themselves 0.0%. and from the other side, nobody who is sick enough to want to kill themselves is going to reach out to anyone for help, because when you’re in that state of mind, talking to someone else sounds about as appealing as cutting off your own dick. it’s never going to happen.

there’s nothing that anyone can do to stop someone from killing themselves barring you actually being physically present and taking the gun from them, or talking them off the bridge. until the powers that be in this country actually give any fucks about helping out the mentally ill, this is what we’ll be left with: extremely vulnerable sick people from all walks of life, living among the absolutely clueless masses. there is nothing out there in the way of real help and understanding for mentally ill people, and that’s the real tragedy- marshawn kneelands will continue to live on the very edge of life and death, sanity and insanity, and very few people will actually know or care.

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29 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Wow, that's awful about the daughter. Just as studies seem to indicate that the propensity to commit crime may be hereditary, (they tracked families in Philadelphia that were criminals over many generations) perhaps the urge to kill yourself can also be inherited.   

So I should stop watching the 2025 Texas offense for my kids’ sake?

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2 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

My heart breaks now for his loved ones. According to the DMN (dallas morning news) he had a history of mental health struggles (not sure what or how long or why) and those who were close to him tried to help him that night by calling for a wellness check. But when cops arrived he had already left the house. That he had expressed suicidal ideations that night to those close to him and that they sought help. 
 

Beyond sad. Heartbreaking. 💔 

Nicole hits on an important phrase. If someone you know is saying they “want to die”  or similar,  the best way to get the attention of the authorities (or to get them admitted if that’s an option) is to use the phrase suicidal ideation. 
source: married to a mental health professional for 20 years

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25 minutes ago, Derka said:

you reaching out to a mentally ill person will affect whether or not they harm themselves 0.0%

Probably not but sure would be nice to check in on my kids, talk about this and ascertain their emotional and mental well being. It’s totally reasonable advice. 

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