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FWAA/NFF Super 16 Poll

  1.     Indiana (55)
  2.     Georgia (1)
  3.     Ohio State
  4.     Texas Tech
  5.     Oregon
  6.     Ole Miss
  7.     Texas A&M
  8.     Oklahoma
  9.     Notre Dame
  10.     Miami-FL
  11.     Alabama
  12.     Texas
  13.     Vanderbilt
  14.     BYU
  15.     Utah
  16.     USC

 

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1 minute ago, satyanash said:

FWAA/NFF Super 16 Poll

  1.     Indiana (55)
  2.     Georgia (1)
  3.     Ohio State
  4.     Texas Tech
  5.     Oregon
  6.     Ole Miss
  7.     Texas A&M
  8.     Oklahoma
  9.     Notre Dame
  10.     Miami-FL
  11.     Alabama
  12.     Texas
  13.     Vanderbilt
  14.     BYU
  15.     Utah
  16.     USC

 

That should be the playoff field tbh. 

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Posted (edited)

Just recall that this got started because we decided to accommodate the number five teams. That should do it, that should be enough! Nope. Now we're down to accommodating teams not even in the top ten. 

When we go to 16, look for another round of the same thing. Please make it stop there. Whining from number 13 is enough. Fuck you if you can't get into the top 16. 

I'm also fine with the reasoning for us not getting in. Beating Florida is not a tall order and we failed. We were not good offensively for half the season. It would have kept us out of the top ten any season. Please don't bother regurgitating yet again the rationale for us being in. I've read it. It's not totally unreasonable, but get over it.

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Incoherent first sentence deleted. Better see the brain doctor.
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8 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

If you are still spouting this mouth breathing nonsense, you are either a stupid person (and I’m genuinely sorry if that’s the case), or a willfully ignorant person (in which case, fuck you). It’s been disproven on multiple threads in painstaking detail. 

The real irony is in the fact that you're unaware of just how ironic your statement is.

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Just now, RomaVicta said:

An amusing aspect of all this is that the playoff expanded to 4 then more because no matter how many schools are included, the one or two or three barely being kept out wail (often rightly) that they are better than the teams that are in.

Just recall that this got started because we decided to accommodate the number five teams. That should do it, that should be enough! Nope. Now we're down to accommodating teams not even in the top ten. 

When we go to 16, look for another round of the same thing. Please make it stop there. Whining from number 13 is enough. Fuck you if you can't get into the top 16. 

I'm also fine with the reasoning for us not getting in. Beating Florida is not a tall order and we failed. We were not good offensively for half the season. It would have kept us out of the top ten any season. Please don't bother regurgitating yet again the rationale for us being in. I've read it. It's not totally unreasonable, but get over it.

Expansion wasn't the answer. 8 with no auto bids. 8 best teams. The 12 team playoff is fucking stupid and bye weeks are dumb. 

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14 minutes ago, Hondo said:

The loss to Florida is what's keeping us out of the CFP, not the loss to Ohio State.

Then why is Miami ranked ahead of us with an objectively worse loss to Louisville as a double digit favorite at home?

Losing to SMU on the road is almost equally "bad" too. Miami was a bigger favorite than us in that game, too.

And the wins comparison obviously isn't close.

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

The problem with the BCS was that there was no tournament, not that it was bad at the rankings. 

In a subjective ranking system, even with computers, the #3 team under BCS always had a more legitimate bitch than the #11, 12, 13 team today. 
 

- Eliminate CCGs

- Expand to 16 teams with no auto bids, or 32 teams with auto bids. 

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Why do people think the committee is the problem? The problem is the stupid autobids and the schedules everyone is playing. We still had two P4 leagues play just 8 conference games this season. Have every P4 play a 10 game conference slate - or have a 9 + 1 or 2 model with cross-league matchups. Ditch the CCGs. Add a couple more teams to the CFP field if you want - 14 or 16 or whatever - even 24 would be fine if you get rid of these superfluous games that barely fucking matter and are mainly causing problems. 

"Well you can't just hand out the conference championship based on tiebreakers and standings" except we're already fucking doing that. It's not like Duke had to settle it on the field vs. Miami or SMU. BYU and Alabama got their asses whipped and one of them still isn't making the playoff and one of them still IS making the playoff. Ohio State and Indiana are both still going to get 1st round bye.

It isn't how teams are being ranked that's the problem - it's how this entire thing is structured. It's easier to rank 12 teams when you actually get to rank 12 instead of 10 and there are a lot more data points with the P4 teams. No matter how you rank them a bunch of people are going to bitch about it because this is college football. You can at least put in a system that removes as much guesswork and coinflipping as possible and doesn't put in a team like JMU who barely beat Wazzu at home like 3 weeks ago that's going to get fucking smoked.

the committee is only picking 6 at large and that is it because ND is an autobid.  

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Why do people think the committee is the problem? The problem is the stupid autobids and the schedules everyone is playing. We still had two P4 leagues play just 8 conference games this season. Have every P4 play a 10 game conference slate - or have a 9 + 1 or 2 model with cross-league matchups. Ditch the CCGs. Add a couple more teams to the CFP field if you want - 14 or 16 or whatever - even 24 would be fine if you get rid of these superfluous games that barely fucking matter and are mainly causing problems. 

"Well you can't just hand out the conference championship based on tiebreakers and standings" except we're already fucking doing that. It's not like Duke had to settle it on the field vs. Miami or SMU. BYU and Alabama got their asses whipped and one of them still isn't making the playoff and one of them still IS making the playoff. Ohio State and Indiana are both still going to get 1st round bye.

It isn't how teams are being ranked that's the problem - it's how this entire thing is structured. It's easier to rank 12 teams when you actually get to rank 12 instead of 10 and there are a lot more data points with the P4 teams. No matter how you rank them a bunch of people are going to bitch about it because this is college football. You can at least put in a system that removes as much guesswork and coinflipping as possible and doesn't put in a team like JMU who barely beat Wazzu at home like 3 weeks ago that's going to get fucking smoked.

CCG were designed for divisions with round robin play.  The big 12 played a round robin schedule so picking the overall top two teams still made sense.  All conferences deciding to go with schedules that do not have a round robin component and then they are selecting participants for the CCG is the problem.  The SEC could go to divisions with round robin play.  They could rotate the members of the division to ensure teams play rivals and the rest of the conference over a four year period as well as adjusting for balance. Using the rankings is better than tie breakers based on opponents winning percentage.

Conferences should want to play OOC against the other P4 teams to eliminate them from consideration fort CFP.  Ohio State did that.  They beat us and we're out and they are in.  If it had gone the other way, we would be in and they would be lower seeded (maybe not out).

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2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

An amusing aspect of all this is that the playoff expanded to 4 then more because no matter how many schools are included, the one or two or three barely being kept out wail (often rightly) that they are better than the teams that are in.

Just recall that this got started because we decided to accommodate the number five teams. That should do it, that should be enough! Nope. Now we're down to accommodating teams not even in the top ten. 

When we go to 16, look for another round of the same thing. Please make it stop there. Whining from number 13 is enough. Fuck you if you can't get into the top 16. 

I'm also fine with the reasoning for us not getting in. Beating Florida is not a tall order and we failed. We were not good offensively for half the season. It would have kept us out of the top ten any season. Please don't bother regurgitating yet again the rationale for us being in. I've read it. It's not totally unreasonable, but get over it.

Yeah, you're already seeing people claim "Let's expand the field to 24 like the FCS playoffs, because the FCS does it so well!"

...ignoring the fact that no one fucking watches the FCS playoffs.

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1 minute ago, CurlyDumps said:

Then why is Miami ranked ahead of us with an objectively worse loss to Louisville as a double digit favorite at home?

??? Miami has one less loss than you. Plus, Louisville is 8-4. Florida is 4-8. Even if you give Florida credit for an extra couple wins because SEC SEC SEC this argument is still bankrupt. 

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5 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Then why is Miami ranked ahead of us with an objectively worse loss to Louisville as a double digit favorite at home?

Losing to SMU on the road is almost equally "bad" too. Miami was a bigger favorite than us in that game, too.

And the wins comparison obviously isn't close.

Bama lost to FSU and Oklahoma at home and just got their ass-kicked by their best win in a rematch. 

Whatever. I don't think Texas is good enough to make a deep run anyway. 

Also - Kentucky didn't do us any favors by somehow losing 41-0 to a middling UL team. 

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Just now, satyanash said:

Yeah, you're already seeing people claim "Let's expand the field to 24 like the FCS playoffs, because the FCS does it so well!"

...ignoring the fact that no one fucking watches the FCS playoffs.


Well no one watches the FCS playoffs because of the teams, not because of the bracket size. 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

The 12 team playoff is fucking stupid and bye weeks are dumb

It occurred to me yesterday that the bye week gives conference championship game winners the same time off that non-championship game contenders get before their first playoff game. Seems fair. I'm not sure if that was the intention or not, but Georgia deserves the same three weeks that A&M is getting.

I think 8 teams sounds about right, too.

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4 minutes ago, LTbear said:

??? Miami has one less loss than you. Plus, Louisville is 8-4. Florida is 4-8. Even if you give Florida credit for an extra couple wins because SEC SEC SEC this argument is still bankrupt. 

You’re engaging with a stupid person, no point in trying. The Alabama example with FSU is even more obvious, but not worth it. 

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Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Then why is Miami ranked ahead of us with an objectively worse loss to Louisville as a double digit favorite at home?

Losing to SMU on the road is almost equally "bad" too. Miami was a bigger favorite than us in that game, too.

And the wins comparison obviously isn't close.

And why is Tech the top one loss seed when they have by far the worst loss? Oregon only lost to the #1 team in the nation, not unranked ASU.

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1 minute ago, pacman said:

not retread ASU.

Look dude I get that it's not the most prestigious academic institution but that doesn't make them a bunch of - oh wait. Misread your comment. 

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BYU ahead of Texas in the AP is a fucking joke.  They couldn't beat Florida or Miss St.  

 

The message is being sent.  It's 100% about your  losses and avoid conference championships. Head to head doesn't matter either. 

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6 minutes ago, LTbear said:

??? Miami has one less loss than you. Plus, Louisville is 8-4. Florida is 4-8. Even if you give Florida credit for an extra couple wins because SEC SEC SEC this argument is still bankrupt. 

No, what is bankrupt and stupid is just staring at records if you genuinely want to quantify how "bad" a loss is, and come out at press conferences and cite vague reasoning like a loss is "holding Texas back" as if it is quantifiable.

Just looking at FEI rankings, Louisville is #32 and Florida is #43. How is losing to the #43 team on the road so much worse than losing to the #32 team at home?

Now compare SMU vs Georgia.

Now compare our wins.

 

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23 minutes ago, immamac said:

The problem with the BCS was that there was no tournament, not that it was bad at the rankings. 

The BCS still weighted losses too heavily.  You can look at what the BCS computers would have had just last week.  shock Texas is 15 and it is in loss order except for BYU. It is hilarious people keep arguing we should play a tough OOC game.  All you do is potentially add a loss for no reason which is stupid.   This is worse with super conferences because in the 10 and 12 team conf era teams eliminated themselves by mostly playing each other in conference and accumulating losses which the computers and pollsters punished.

the old "oh if we can't beat team X we aren't winning a championship" is BS, especially with NIL. well guess what MIami couldn't beat Louisville or even make their fucking conf champ game in the worst P4 conf, has an SOS in the 40's, and has a shot.  right now they'd be favored against half the fleld.  Tech is in with an SOS in the 60's.

We are idiots if we keep the ND series and don't change our scheduling with 9 conf games.

Here’s the re-ranked CFP Top 15, according to the computers:

1. Ohio State — 1.167

2. Indiana — 2

3. Oregon — 4.67

4. Georgia — 5.33

5. Ole Miss — 6.33

6. Texas A&M — 6.67

7. Texas Tech — 8.33

8. Alabama — 8.5

9. BYU — 8.67

10. Notre Dame — 9

11. Oklahoma — 9.167

12. Vanderbilt — 13

13. Miami (FL) — 13.5

14. Utah — 13.833

15. Texas — 14

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4 minutes ago, pacman said:

And why is Tech the top one loss seed when they have by far the worst loss? Oregon only lost to the #1 team in the nation, not retread ASU.

Keep ignoring that ASU loss was with Tech's 2nd Team QB; while Sam Leavitt played out of his mind and ASU still only won by 4 at home.  Dillingham is...um...better than average under the headset as well.  It's the perfect illustration of what the playoffs are for.  You have a blemish, OK, but how's the rest of your season?

Ain't nobody clamoring to play that Tech defense.

 

You're never gonna discuss Tech objectively, because you keep spouting this bullshit.  That's cool though... I guess.  Keep saying it till it's true... 

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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

1 spot for Big 12/ACC is going to be what kills the CFP. Bama will be 10 and ND will be 9. Simple as that. BIG and SEC will come to the table and say "See, that's why we want auto bids for our conferences" and then the Big 12 and ACC will sign on to whatever they want so that this situation never happens again. 

When in reality the Big 12 and ACC are just G5 conferences pretending to be power conferences.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

The BCS still weighted losses too heavily.  You can look at what the BCS computers would have had just last week.  shock Texas is 15 and it is in loss order except for BYU. It is hilarious people keep arguing we should play a tough OOC game.  All you do is potentially add a loss for no reason which is stupid.   This is worse with super conferences because in the 10 and 12 team conf era teams eliminated themselves by mostly playing each other in conference and accumulating losses which the computers and pollsters punished.

the old "oh if we can't beat team X we aren't winning a championship" is BS, especially with NIL. well guess what MIami couldn't beat Louisville or even make their fucking conf champ game in the worst P4 conf, has an SOS in the 40's, and has a shot.  right now they'd be favored against half the fleld.  Tech is in with an SOS in the 60's.

We are idiots if we keep the ND series and don't change our scheduling with 9 conf games.

Here’s the re-ranked CFP Top 15, according to the computers:

1. Ohio State — 1.167

2. Indiana — 2

3. Oregon — 4.67

4. Georgia — 5.33

5. Ole Miss — 6.33

6. Texas A&M — 6.67

7. Texas Tech — 8.33

8. Alabama — 8.5

9. BYU — 8.67

10. Notre Dame — 9

11. Oklahoma — 9.167

12. Vanderbilt — 13

13. Miami (FL) — 13.5

14. Utah — 13.833

15. Texas — 14

Notre Dame at Lubbock in Round 1?  Sounds fun.

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8 hours ago, Iceman said:

Keep ignoring that ASU loss was with Tech's 2nd Team QB; while Sam Leavitt played out of his mind and ASU still only won by 4 at home.  Dillingham is...um...better than average under the headset as well.  It's the perfect illustration of what the playoffs are for.  You have a blemish, OK, but how's the rest of your season?

Ain't nobody clamoring to play that Tech defense.

 

You're never gonna discuss Tech objectively, because you keep spouting this bullshit.  That's cool though... I guess.  Keep saying it till it's true... 

Oh, so now you want to qualify losses?

There is nothing subjective about discussing losses according to ranking.

The one loss playoff teams, in order of ranking:

Lost to #11

Lost to #1

Lost to unranked

Lost to #1

Lost to #2

Lost to #13

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BYU

Miami

Notre Dame

Alabama

Florida State

SMU

 

None of these teams are The University of Texas at Austin Longhorns football.  Which is my point.  

Everyone's looking at all things external, trying to figure out how some other team's actions/results should dictate our outcome.

Winners don't give a shit what anyone else is doing.  They look internally and control the outcomes they can control.

 

Ohio State, on the road, was a 50-50 game against the reigning champions and we lost.  Okay.

Georgia is probably the best team in the country and we lost to them on the road in Athens.  Okay.

The Florida game was a game that we should have won handily, but we came out flat AFTER A BYE WEEK, played like shit, and lost.  

That outcome was OURS alone to control and we didn't do our job, plain and simple.

 

The Florida game, OUR failure to control the controllable outcome, is why we're not in the CFP.  Anybody who doesn't understand that is basically the Steve Sarkisian version of a fan.  

Augie understood it.  Saban understood it.  Kirby Smart understands it.  Kurt Cignetti damn sure gets it.  

 

 

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Just now, GreenspointTexas said:

Its insane how devalued the regular season has become over the past decade

The regular season hasn’t been devalued. 

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Just now, Pancho said:

The regular season hasn’t been devalued. 

You’re responding to the biggest histrionics poster on this site 

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3 minutes ago, Hondo said:

BYU

Miami

Notre Dame

Alabama

Florida State

SMU

 

None of these teams are The University of Texas at Austin Longhorns football.  Which is my point.  

Everyone's looking at all things external, trying to figure out how some other team's actions/results should dictate our outcome.

Winners don't give a shit what anyone else is doing.  They look internally and control the outcomes they can control.

 

Ohio State, on the road, was a 50-50 game against the reigning champions and we lost.  Okay.

Georgia is probably the best team in the country and we lost to them on the road in Athens.  Okay.

The Florida game was a game that we should have won handily, but we came out flat AFTER A BYE WEEK, played like shit, and lost.  

That outcome was OURS alone to control and we didn't do our job, plain and simple.

 

The Florida game, OUR failure to control the controllable outcome, is why we're not in the CFP.  Anybody who doesn't understand that is basically the Steve Sarkisian version of a fan.  

Augie understood it.  Saban understood it.  Kirby Smart understands it.  Kurt Cignetti damn sure gets it.  

 

 

Who cares, 80% of the top 12 teams didn’t play anybody all year 

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18 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

No, what is bankrupt and stupid is just staring at records if you genuinely want to quantify how "bad" a loss is, and come out at press conferences and cite vague reasoning like a loss is "holding Texas back" as if it is quantifiable.

Just looking at FEI rankings, Louisville is #32 and Florida is #43. How is losing to the #43 team on the road so much worse than losing to the #32 team at home?

Now compare SMU vs Georgia.

Now compare our wins.

 

So to be clear, you're now flipping your prior stance and saying that, objectively, Florida is in fact a worse loss than Louisville.

 

Got it, thanks. 

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28 minutes ago, Pancho said:


Well no one watches the FCS playoffs because of the teams, not because of the bracket size. 

 

That's about to happen with the CFP. Nobody wants to watch a couple of G5 getting worked. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

BYU ahead of Texas in the AP is a fucking joke.  They couldn't beat Florida or Miss St.  

 

The message is being sent.  It's 100% about your  losses and avoid conference championships. Head to head doesn't matter either. 

Yep, if we've learned anything, it's schedule like aggy and avoid your conference championship game. 

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22 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

BYU ahead of Texas in the AP is a fucking joke.  They couldn't beat Florida or Miss St.  

 

The message is being sent.  It's 100% about your  losses and avoid conference championships. Head to head doesn't matter either. 

BYU and Alabama dropped one place after getting drubbed at neutral site.  We lost to UGA between the hedges and dropped seven.  Doesn't make sense.

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Just now, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Yep, if we've learned anything, it's schedule like aggy and avoid your conference championship game. 

Well, we do have Notre Dame and Arizona State on future schedules. No Miami, though.

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1 minute ago, mdleast said:

Herbie looks tired

He just watched his team get cucked out of a B10 championship and Heisman. Dude probably needed 48 hours. 

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24 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

BYU ahead of Texas in the AP is a fucking joke.  They couldn't beat Florida or Miss St.  

 

The message is being sent.  It's 100% about your  losses and avoid conference championships. Head to head doesn't matter either. 

Texas was a Nibblet away from not being able to accomplish that either. Not the best insult. 

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