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5 minutes ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

Someone probably has a lawsuit

 

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To be clear, she was fired because she discussed white men and violent acts.

Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk is lionized, and compared to Christ himself, when he said "prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people."

Just to clarify the absolutely insane double standard the "free speech conservatives" actually apply.

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6 hours ago, Enchubben said:

I’m willing to listen to others and reconsider my opinion of Kirk if people can point to specific things he has done or said that make him a bad person. I just haven’t seen anything that indicates that.

Charlie Kirk:

Controversial statements on race and diversity

Criticism of Black pilots and DEI: In January 2024, Kirk stated, "If a Black pilot is seen, it's necessary to hope he's qualified," while arguing that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are "anti-White".

Comments on Black crime: In 2023, Kirk discussed what he called "Black crime" in inner cities, referring to it as a "huge problem no one wants to talk about".

Denunciation of the Civil Rights Act: During a December 2023 Turning Point USA event, Kirk stated, "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," claiming it led to a "permanent" bureaucracy promoting diversity.

Racist dog whistles: In September 2024, Kirk was among the first to spread unproven allegations that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs. This led to former President Donald Trump repeating the false claim in a televised debate.

Support for "Great Replacement" theory: In a February 2024 Instagram post, Kirk referenced the debunked "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, which alleges that undocumented immigrants are intentionally replacing white Americans. In August 2024, he also accused a Black lawmaker of being part of an "attempt to eliminate the white population in this country".

Disparagement of Martin Luther King Jr.: Kirk dismissed Martin Luther King Jr. as a "mythological creation" of the 1960s and, during a 2023 event, called him "awful" and "not a good person". 

Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric

LGBTQ+ agenda claims: Kirk frequently spoke against what he termed the "LGBTQ agenda," portraying it as a threat to American culture and claiming its efforts would "corrupt your children".

Statements on gender identity: He declared that "there are only two genders" and described transgenderism as "lies that hurt people and abuse kids". He also claimed in 2022 that transgender people were to blame for inflation.

Opposition to transgender healthcare: Kirk vocally opposed gender-affirming care, stating in 2024, "We must ban trans-affirming care — the entire country," and called for Donald Trump to run on this issue.

Homophobic slurs: In 2023, Kirk courted controversy by saying that if January 6 rioters had "stripped naked and filmed themselves having gay sex," they would have been treated more leniently.

Biblical interpretation of homosexuality: In 2024, Kirk cited Leviticus 20:13, which refers to "men lying with men... abomination," calling it "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters". 

Antisemitic claims

Jewish control conspiracies: In October 2023, Kirk repeated antisemitic tropes about Jews controlling various sectors, alleging they dominated universities, non-profits, and Hollywood.

Philanthropy accusations: He accused "elite" Jewish philanthropies of funding universities that foster antisemitism, thereby "subsidising your own demise".

Claims of anti-white animus: In April 2025, Kirk claimed on his show that Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them". He also alleged that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country". 

Pandemic-related misinformation

Promotion of COVID-19 conspiracy theories: During the pandemic, Kirk used his platform to spread false and misleading information, including claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine was "100 percent effective" against the virus and promoting baseless conspiracy theories about Chinese authorities.

Opposition to mask mandates and lockdowns: He vocally opposed public health measures like mask mandates and school lockdowns.

Vaccine comparisons: In 2021, Kirk reportedly compared vaccine requirements to apartheid. 

Other controversial statements

Promotion of Christian nationalism: Kirk embraced Christian nationalism, warning of a "spiritual battle" against "wokeism, Marxism and Islam." He also referenced the "Seven Mountains Mandate," a political-religious philosophy calling for Christians to control key areas of society.

Comments on gun deaths: After a 2023 mass shooting in Nashville, Kirk claimed that a certain number of gun deaths was a worthwhile "cost" for preserving the Second Amendment.

Support for January 6 rioters: In a January 2021 post on X, Kirk promoted busing "patriots" to Washington, D.C., to "fight for the president" ahead of the January 6th attack on the Capitol. Following the riot, he claimed the rioters did not represent the mainstream of Trump's support. 

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine.  Glad we can type online to each other and disagree; too bad Charlie Kirk's life of doing it in person was cut short. 

You are entitled to an opinion.  But not your own facts.  The facts are he said and preached horrible things.  The fact is that JD Vance is looking to crack down on the liberals who condone violence but excuses the Jan 06 scumbags who murdered cops, he is not going after Nazi groups, nor the KKK or any others on the right wing goon squads.  Heck the president stated he had goon squads of motorcycle gangs some years back.   But we all know exactly what you mean.  You pretended to be reasonable, but you always stop short of admitting basic things in evidence or even basic things which have a lot of supporting evidence.  

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Just now, Covri said:

Charlie Kirk:

Controversial statements on race and diversity

Criticism of Black pilots and DEI: In January 2024, Kirk stated, "If a Black pilot is seen, it's necessary to hope he's qualified," while arguing that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are "anti-White".

Comments on Black crime: In 2023, Kirk discussed what he called "Black crime" in inner cities, referring to it as a "huge problem no one wants to talk about".

Denunciation of the Civil Rights Act: During a December 2023 Turning Point USA event, Kirk stated, "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," claiming it led to a "permanent" bureaucracy promoting diversity.

Racist dog whistles: In September 2024, Kirk was among the first to spread unproven allegations that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs. This led to former President Donald Trump repeating the false claim in a televised debate.

Support for "Great Replacement" theory: In a February 2024 Instagram post, Kirk referenced the debunked "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, which alleges that undocumented immigrants are intentionally replacing white Americans. In August 2024, he also accused a Black lawmaker of being part of an "attempt to eliminate the white population in this country".

Disparagement of Martin Luther King Jr.: Kirk dismissed Martin Luther King Jr. as a "mythological creation" of the 1960s and, during a 2023 event, called him "awful" and "not a good person". 

Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric

LGBTQ+ agenda claims: Kirk frequently spoke against what he termed the "LGBTQ agenda," portraying it as a threat to American culture and claiming its efforts would "corrupt your children".

Statements on gender identity: He declared that "there are only two genders" and described transgenderism as "lies that hurt people and abuse kids". He also claimed in 2022 that transgender people were to blame for inflation.

Opposition to transgender healthcare: Kirk vocally opposed gender-affirming care, stating in 2024, "We must ban trans-affirming care — the entire country," and called for Donald Trump to run on this issue.

Homophobic slurs: In 2023, Kirk courted controversy by saying that if January 6 rioters had "stripped naked and filmed themselves having gay sex," they would have been treated more leniently.

Biblical interpretation of homosexuality: In 2024, Kirk cited Leviticus 20:13, which refers to "men lying with men... abomination," calling it "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters". 

Antisemitic claims

Jewish control conspiracies: In October 2023, Kirk repeated antisemitic tropes about Jews controlling various sectors, alleging they dominated universities, non-profits, and Hollywood.

Philanthropy accusations: He accused "elite" Jewish philanthropies of funding universities that foster antisemitism, thereby "subsidising your own demise".

Claims of anti-white animus: In April 2025, Kirk claimed on his show that Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them". He also alleged that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country". 

Pandemic-related misinformation

Promotion of COVID-19 conspiracy theories: During the pandemic, Kirk used his platform to spread false and misleading information, including claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine was "100 percent effective" against the virus and promoting baseless conspiracy theories about Chinese authorities.

Opposition to mask mandates and lockdowns: He vocally opposed public health measures like mask mandates and school lockdowns.

Vaccine comparisons: In 2021, Kirk reportedly compared vaccine requirements to apartheid. 

Other controversial statements

Promotion of Christian nationalism: Kirk embraced Christian nationalism, warning of a "spiritual battle" against "wokeism, Marxism and Islam." He also referenced the "Seven Mountains Mandate," a political-religious philosophy calling for Christians to control key areas of society.

Comments on gun deaths: After a 2023 mass shooting in Nashville, Kirk claimed that a certain number of gun deaths was a worthwhile "cost" for preserving the Second Amendment.

Support for January 6 rioters: In a January 2021 post on X, Kirk promoted busing "patriots" to Washington, D.C., to "fight for the president" ahead of the January 6th attack on the Capitol. Following the riot, he claimed the rioters did not represent the mainstream of Trump's support. 

I fail to see what's wrong with what he said-Enchubben most likely

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine.  Glad we can type online to each other and disagree; too bad Charlie Kirk's life of doing it in person was cut short. 

Go ahead and explain how Ketanji Jackson is not smart and unqualified. Let me know what basis you have besides racism and sexism. 

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Just now, Dahobbs said:

Go ahead and explain how Ketanji Jackson is not smart and unqualified. Let me know what basis you have besides racism and sexism. 

then do all of dotard's appointees

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Enchubben is fine with this.

And Enchubben is fine with this.

And see, Enchubben is very, very, very concerned about inflammatory political rhetoric, and anyone who speaks such inflammatory rhetoric is a no good very bad person.  ESPECIALLY when that rhetoric can be tied directly to acts of political violence.  So, all the people calling Kirk a fascist and a racist are very bad people who fanned the flames of violence.

But when Kirk repeatedly and consistently referred to immigrants as invaders., AND a man inflamed by that exact rhetoric, stating as his actual purpose and reason stopping the "invasion" and eliminating the "invaders," drove to El Paso and murdered 22 people for that reason....well, see, that's different.  When Charlie says that, he was just speaking his mind, and you know, all those brown people ARE invading 'merica (nevermind that my family has been in this state since it was Coahuila y Tejas).  But when other people say "that Charlie dude is racist," THEY are the REAL problem.

Enchubben is a card-carrying subscriber to Wilhoit's law: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

That was Charlie Kirk's entire belief system in a nutshell.  Black people were better off when they lived under Jim Crow (yes, another thing that Charlie actually said).  It's good for that out-group to have been under a system of laws that bound them, but did not protect them.  THAT IS A GOOD THING TO CHARLIE KIRK.

Enchubben is fine with all of this, because that's what he believes, and what he is.

Enchubben will say he's not fine with the slaughter of 22 people in El Paso, but you can't pin that act on the inflammatory rhetoric of Charlie and those like him who used the same terms (even though there is no doubt as to the connection - again, the killer wrote a fucking statement that used the exact same vocabulary).  However, you CAN pin Charlie Kirk's murder on the "inflammatory rhetoric" of people calling someone who said Jim Crow was better for black people a racist.  It's not complicated.  Rules for thee, not for me.  Wilhoit's law.


"I know you personally from your internet posts and this is what you are! I'm very dramatic. Tell your kids to watch out"

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Go ahead and explain how Ketanji Jackson is not smart and unqualified. Let me know what basis you have besides racism and sexism. 

She wears glasses, duh! That means she has (no racist) weak genes. LOL I'm reaching on that one 

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4 minutes ago, Covri said:

Charlie Kirk:

Controversial statements on race and diversity

Criticism of Black pilots and DEI: In January 2024, Kirk stated, "If a Black pilot is seen, it's necessary to hope he's qualified," while arguing that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are "anti-White".

Comments on Black crime: In 2023, Kirk discussed what he called "Black crime" in inner cities, referring to it as a "huge problem no one wants to talk about".

Denunciation of the Civil Rights Act: During a December 2023 Turning Point USA event, Kirk stated, "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," claiming it led to a "permanent" bureaucracy promoting diversity.

Racist dog whistles: In September 2024, Kirk was among the first to spread unproven allegations that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs. This led to former President Donald Trump repeating the false claim in a televised debate.

Support for "Great Replacement" theory: In a February 2024 Instagram post, Kirk referenced the debunked "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, which alleges that undocumented immigrants are intentionally replacing white Americans. In August 2024, he also accused a Black lawmaker of being part of an "attempt to eliminate the white population in this country".

Disparagement of Martin Luther King Jr.: Kirk dismissed Martin Luther King Jr. as a "mythological creation" of the 1960s and, during a 2023 event, called him "awful" and "not a good person". 

Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric

LGBTQ+ agenda claims: Kirk frequently spoke against what he termed the "LGBTQ agenda," portraying it as a threat to American culture and claiming its efforts would "corrupt your children".

Statements on gender identity: He declared that "there are only two genders" and described transgenderism as "lies that hurt people and abuse kids". He also claimed in 2022 that transgender people were to blame for inflation.

Opposition to transgender healthcare: Kirk vocally opposed gender-affirming care, stating in 2024, "We must ban trans-affirming care — the entire country," and called for Donald Trump to run on this issue.

Homophobic slurs: In 2023, Kirk courted controversy by saying that if January 6 rioters had "stripped naked and filmed themselves having gay sex," they would have been treated more leniently.

Biblical interpretation of homosexuality: In 2024, Kirk cited Leviticus 20:13, which refers to "men lying with men... abomination," calling it "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters". 

Antisemitic claims

Jewish control conspiracies: In October 2023, Kirk repeated antisemitic tropes about Jews controlling various sectors, alleging they dominated universities, non-profits, and Hollywood.

Philanthropy accusations: He accused "elite" Jewish philanthropies of funding universities that foster antisemitism, thereby "subsidising your own demise".

Claims of anti-white animus: In April 2025, Kirk claimed on his show that Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them". He also alleged that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country". 

Pandemic-related misinformation

Promotion of COVID-19 conspiracy theories: During the pandemic, Kirk used his platform to spread false and misleading information, including claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine was "100 percent effective" against the virus and promoting baseless conspiracy theories about Chinese authorities.

Opposition to mask mandates and lockdowns: He vocally opposed public health measures like mask mandates and school lockdowns.

Vaccine comparisons: In 2021, Kirk reportedly compared vaccine requirements to apartheid. 

Other controversial statements

Promotion of Christian nationalism: Kirk embraced Christian nationalism, warning of a "spiritual battle" against "wokeism, Marxism and Islam." He also referenced the "Seven Mountains Mandate," a political-religious philosophy calling for Christians to control key areas of society.

Comments on gun deaths: After a 2023 mass shooting in Nashville, Kirk claimed that a certain number of gun deaths was a worthwhile "cost" for preserving the Second Amendment.

Support for January 6 rioters: In a January 2021 post on X, Kirk promoted busing "patriots" to Washington, D.C., to "fight for the president" ahead of the January 6th attack on the Capitol. Following the riot, he claimed the rioters did not represent the mainstream of Trump's support. 

He's not going to listen to any of that. He'll be back soon and he'll pretend that he either hasn't seen any of it, that there's nothing wrong with it, or pretend that he's too stupid to understand why anyone would have a problem with any of it and ask you to explain it to him or cite more examples. 

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23 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

Do I think that Joy Reid, Ketanji Jackson and Sheila Jackson Lee, which were the women specifically called out, to have a "lack of brain power" and wouldn't be where they were without affirmative action, kinda? Do I think that DEI and affirmative action has resulted in people less qualified than others to gain positions of power, promotions etc. outside of those examples? Most certainly, which was the point he was making from what I could tell of the 20 second clip on the topic.

Wow, your mask is slipping off buddy. You can disagree with the politics of Joy Reid or Shelia Jackson Lee but they certainly do not exemplify a lack of brain power (see: MTG and Tommy Tuberville for good examlples of white affirmative action hires with double digit IQs) and to lump a highly-educated and respected jurist on the highest court in the nation as undeserving of that position based on that same attack is fucking racist and shameful. If you've ever read her opinions or even bothered to read what those who worked with her or even have studied her work then you'd never agree with Kirk there lest you be called equally racist. Because it is. The only reason Kirk attacked her intelligence was because she's a black woman with power and extreme intelligence and that threatens assholes like you.

 

And for the record, DEI has NOTHING AT ALL to do with hiring quotas or giving any advantages to any particular group or cohort, and the correct full acronym is DEIA. I find it telliing that you ding dongs who cite DEI always leave that A off (it stands for accesibility, btw) because you are too uninformed to know about its existence. if you did, you might be smart enough to figure out why right-winger racist propagandists like Charlie Kirk never mention it since workplace disabilities can cross all demographics. 

The GOP and its billionaire benefactors worked for decades to undermine and ultimately ban affirmative action programs through its hijacking of the judiciary, and once they got their way they knew they didn't have that racist canard to kick around anymore, so they repackaged the same racist playbook (largely in respons to the BLM protest) by digging up an obscure policy in corporatons and higher education that simply sought to expand the pool of applicants and make sure that all backgrounds were welcome. Nothing in DEIA was ever about giving hiring advantages or admittance advantages to one group over another, but you dipshits fell for the racist lie. And here you are repeating it in defense of a racist piece of shit who got rich peddling odious rhetoric to rubes like you.

 

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3 minutes ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

You probably oughta stick with saying nice things about our future Minister of Correct Thinking and Re-Education of Apostates, who will be given full executive authority and power, because the Constitution doesn't actually contain any words barring detention of people for dissenting against the regime and tossing them in re-education camps for a decade.  Go ahead, find that prohibition in the Constitution -- you CAN'T!  Therefore, Trump has that power!

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Posted
36 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Here's some context:
A veiled threat to stone transpeople by justifying it through the Old Testament, while criticizing someone for being tolerant of transpeople who justify their tolerance from the New Testament Christ's command to love your neighbor as yourself. Then, the second post where he angrily shouts to that audience that someone is an abomination to God.

These aren't soundbites with short clips taken out of context. Maybe -phobe is the wrong suffix, but then again, fear is at the heart of hate. And Kirk clearly hated transpeople.

 

In that first clip, Charlie is referring to the Leviticus 19 passage that is often translated a few different ways, which says "Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart" or some form of "countryman" instead of Israelite.  That's not the same as the quote from Jesus, which is contained in multiple Gospels, that he calls his followers to "love your neighbor as yourself."  There is a very distinct difference between the two, in that the quote from Jesus is inclusive of all humans, not just Israelites, and extends that compassion to others no matter their nationality, race or ethnicity. It was a radically different commandment with a universal purpose than the one from Leviticus, which is what Charlie quotes, and I'm sure there's a good reason why he likes that verse instead. So telling Miss Rachel to go "crack open that Bible" as if she didn't know what the "love they neighbor" text meant, is just the cherry on top of the patronizing misinterpretation of her words and a complete misunderstanding of his own religion. 

That's not even getting into the whole old law vs new law discussion, and what still applies to the modern day law based on Jesus' teachings. Or even looking at all the examples of Jesus interacting with the sinful people and helping them regardless of if they were living in sin. It's just astonishing how modern day Christians have completely bastardized the teachings of Jesus and twisted it to reinforce their own bigotry and vengefulness against groups of people they love to hate.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

To be clear, she was fired because she discussed white men and violent acts.

Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk is lionized, and compared to Christ himself, when he said "prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people."

Just to clarify the absolutely insane double standard the "free speech conservatives" actually apply.

As long as you base your racist, misogynistic screeds on "facts" (most likely funded by Heritage / Cato / AEI / etc), you can say whatever you want and MAGA will have your back, especially when it supports their long-held views. I think that's why Charlie Kirk was so popular - he gave them permission to hold those views and not in the "because fuck you, that's why" Trump style.  With Charlie, it was always more of a "you can't entirely prove my made-up facts wrong, so you can't really say I'm racist / misogynistic / etc."

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4 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

With some time having passed, I have come to pity Charlie Kirk.  He was recruited/funded as a teenager by super wealthy right wing activists to be used as a tool to recruit the youth vote.  Then, by the time he was in his early 20s, he’d used that propellant to become wealthy and famous and score a beauty queen wife by humiliating college kids and curating his conversations to generate online content and promote right wing extremist views.  He didn't have the same under-the-radar conversion to adulthood that I and many others had that gave an opportunity to re-assess the belief system instilled during childhood; he was too far in the machine and had way more to lose by changing his mind than a normal person.  So even though I think he had a really negative impact on the world, I feel really sorry for him.  I will say this: one of his most used quotes is something to the effect of “when people stop talking, bad things happen”; I think that’s very telling about his worldview and also very wrong, because the reality is that bad things happen when people stop LISTENING.  Charlie Kirk was an elite level talker, but I haven’t seen any evidence that he ever really listened.  And I think that can be applied to a lot of people in today’s society and is a big reason why we are in this mess.

This reminds me of a documentary or news story I saw about the Columbine shooting.  They were interviewing Marilyn Manson because I guess the shooters listened to his music or something.  Anyway, I was afraid of Marilyn Manson.  He creeped me out.  But during the interview he was asked, "What would you say to the shooters if you had a chance to talk to them?"  His answer, "I wouldn't say anything; I would listen."  That was one of those moments for me, among many, of the realization that just because someone looks weird or scary that they aren't an intelligent, compassionate person inside.

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2 minutes ago, bejezuz said:

No shit.  Undergrad and law degrees both from Harvard, Harvard Law Review.  Clerked for Breyer.  Worked as a federal public defender and was on the Oversight Committee for the US Sentencing Guidelines.  Served as a US District Court and Circuit Court judge.  Totally unqualified.  

Obviously.  But, you know, totally qualified people include these folks, who are white and thus totally aren't "DEI hires," and thus they are per se the most highly qualified people to have ever walked this earth:

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Etc. etc. forever and ever.

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1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

You're dealing with broken people on this board. They read and decide to hate what isn't typed.

Everybody's brain in this country seems broken. But let me know where the non-broken brained people are.

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28 minutes ago, Covri said:

Charlie Kirk:

Controversial statements on race and diversity

Criticism of Black pilots and DEI: In January 2024, Kirk stated, "If a Black pilot is seen, it's necessary to hope he's qualified," while arguing that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are "anti-White".

Comments on Black crime: In 2023, Kirk discussed what he called "Black crime" in inner cities, referring to it as a "huge problem no one wants to talk about".

Denunciation of the Civil Rights Act: During a December 2023 Turning Point USA event, Kirk stated, "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," claiming it led to a "permanent" bureaucracy promoting diversity.

Racist dog whistles: In September 2024, Kirk was among the first to spread unproven allegations that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs. This led to former President Donald Trump repeating the false claim in a televised debate.

Support for "Great Replacement" theory: In a February 2024 Instagram post, Kirk referenced the debunked "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, which alleges that undocumented immigrants are intentionally replacing white Americans. In August 2024, he also accused a Black lawmaker of being part of an "attempt to eliminate the white population in this country".

Disparagement of Martin Luther King Jr.: Kirk dismissed Martin Luther King Jr. as a "mythological creation" of the 1960s and, during a 2023 event, called him "awful" and "not a good person". 

Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric

LGBTQ+ agenda claims: Kirk frequently spoke against what he termed the "LGBTQ agenda," portraying it as a threat to American culture and claiming its efforts would "corrupt your children".

Statements on gender identity: He declared that "there are only two genders" and described transgenderism as "lies that hurt people and abuse kids". He also claimed in 2022 that transgender people were to blame for inflation.

Opposition to transgender healthcare: Kirk vocally opposed gender-affirming care, stating in 2024, "We must ban trans-affirming care — the entire country," and called for Donald Trump to run on this issue.

Homophobic slurs: In 2023, Kirk courted controversy by saying that if January 6 rioters had "stripped naked and filmed themselves having gay sex," they would have been treated more leniently.

Biblical interpretation of homosexuality: In 2024, Kirk cited Leviticus 20:13, which refers to "men lying with men... abomination," calling it "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters". 

Antisemitic claims

Jewish control conspiracies: In October 2023, Kirk repeated antisemitic tropes about Jews controlling various sectors, alleging they dominated universities, non-profits, and Hollywood.

Philanthropy accusations: He accused "elite" Jewish philanthropies of funding universities that foster antisemitism, thereby "subsidising your own demise".

Claims of anti-white animus: In April 2025, Kirk claimed on his show that Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them". He also alleged that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country". 

Pandemic-related misinformation

Promotion of COVID-19 conspiracy theories: During the pandemic, Kirk used his platform to spread false and misleading information, including claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine was "100 percent effective" against the virus and promoting baseless conspiracy theories about Chinese authorities.

Opposition to mask mandates and lockdowns: He vocally opposed public health measures like mask mandates and school lockdowns.

Vaccine comparisons: In 2021, Kirk reportedly compared vaccine requirements to apartheid. 

Other controversial statements

Promotion of Christian nationalism: Kirk embraced Christian nationalism, warning of a "spiritual battle" against "wokeism, Marxism and Islam." He also referenced the "Seven Mountains Mandate," a political-religious philosophy calling for Christians to control key areas of society.

Comments on gun deaths: After a 2023 mass shooting in Nashville, Kirk claimed that a certain number of gun deaths was a worthwhile "cost" for preserving the Second Amendment.

Support for January 6 rioters: In a January 2021 post on X, Kirk promoted busing "patriots" to Washington, D.C., to "fight for the president" ahead of the January 6th attack on the Capitol. Following the riot, he claimed the rioters did not represent the mainstream of Trump's support. 

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2 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

This reminds me of a documentary or news story I saw about the Columbine shooting.  They were interviewing Marilyn Manson because I guess the shooters listened to his music or something.  Anyway, I was afraid of Marilyn Manson.  He creeped me out.  But during the interview he was asked, "What would you say to the shooters if you had a chance to talk to them?"  His answer, "I wouldn't say anything; I would listen."  That was one of those moments for me, among many, of the realization that just because someone looks weird or scary that they aren't an intelligent, compassionate person inside.

And we presently live in a country where not a single member of the ruling party has the wisdom, decency, or humanity of....Marilyn fucking Manson.

Stop this fucking ride, and let the rest of us get off this insane-o-tron 3000.

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Remember when in moments like this, when idiots on both sides of the aisle are showing their ass and there is a general sense of unease in the country, you would say to yourself, "It's going to be okay.  The president will come out and address the nation and bring the temperature down."  Remember that?

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People really want to neatly put a crazy person's politics into a familiar box. The reality is that about 10 to 15 percent of "politically active" Americans have a completely unintelligible set of beliefs, and most of the time their beliefs are not consistent with one another. Ryan Routh is a prime example.

I have strong suspicion that Tyler Robinson is one of those people with unintelligible beliefs. Based on limited information, if I had to profile him, I would say that Tyler Robinson was raised to be proficient in firearms, to believe in American exceptionalism, to start a family as soon as possible and for that family to be as large as possible.

He adopted many of those values, but secretly questioned big topics like religion and conservatism. Important to note, his high school and early college experiences were most likely overshadowed by COVID and lockdowns. Thus, his online social circle had likely expanded from people he knew from school to friends of friends of people he would game with, and through those people, he got exposed to a broader set of values and maybe even witnessed the core principles he'd been raised with getting mocked, alongside other principles he'd never adopted, with memes. Although he had never embraced left or left-leaning ideas, he probably rejected some of the more "cringe" ideas from the conservatism he'd been raised with because the sacred cows (religion, America, Trump) are common joke fodder. They say he is also very intelligent, with good grades and test scores. Free ride to Utah aggy. Intelligence and ego often correlate.

Meanwhile, material conditions for him and people in his age group are poor and the prospects for improvement appeared (and, in truth, are) bleak. Career? Don't bother. College? Scam (even Charlie Kirk preached that). Family? As if anyone would date a guy who spends 16 hours per day on discord, except other people who spend 16 hours per day on discord. The kind of girl you don't bring home to mother, and aren't starting a family with. So, he started to believe that life is meaningless. The whole world is just a simulation, and not even a particularly fun or interesting one. Or, at the very least, he began to believe that his life is meaningless even though he had been given the gifts of high intelligence and a good upbringing.

Once he'd internalized that belief, he became not apolitical but clinically antisocial. And it wouldn't surprise me if most of the people he would spend all day communicating with are also antisocial to different degrees. So on the one hand, his life was meaningless but on the other had he had that ego. It was that ego that pushed him to actually plan and carry out the crime, and it was his antisocial nihilism that prevented better judgment from intervening. His hatred of Kirk stemmed from something other than politics, even if it's true that he'd made his disagreements with Kirk's views known.

So, at this point based on what limited information we have, I believe the most likely outcome is that, if we ever hear from Tyler Robinson about his motives, what he would say will be totally incomprehensible and bizarre, ala Ryan Routh.

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3 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Remember when in moments like this, when idiots on both sides of the aisle are showing their ass and there is a general sense of unease in the country, you would say to yourself, "It's going to be okay.  The president will come out and address the nation and bring the temperature down."  Remember that?

As Brisket said, no decency. The Office of the President has lost its August, quiet, strength through actions and not words

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9 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

This reminds me of a documentary or news story I saw about the Columbine shooting.  They were interviewing Marilyn Manson because I guess the shooters listened to his music or something.  Anyway, I was afraid of Marilyn Manson.  He creeped me out.  But during the interview he was asked, "What would you say to the shooters if you had a chance to talk to them?"  His answer, "I wouldn't say anything; I would listen."  That was one of those moments for me, among many, of the realization that just because someone looks weird or scary that they aren't an intelligent, compassionate person inside.

Glad he took some time away from raping groupies to chat with Michael Moore

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

People really want to neatly put a crazy person's politics into a familiar box. The reality is that about 10 to 15 percent of "politically active" Americans have a completely unintelligible set of beliefs, and most of the time their beliefs are not consistent with one another. Ryan Routh is a prime example.

I have strong suspicion that Tyler Robinson is one of those people with unintelligible beliefs. Based on limited information, if I had to profile him, I would say that Tyler Robinson was raised to be proficient in firearms, to believe in American exceptionalism, to start a family as soon as possible and for that family to be as large as possible.

He adopted many of those values, but secretly questioned big topics like religion and conservatism. Important to note, his high school and early college experiences were most likely overshadowed by COVID and lockdowns. Thus, his online social circle had likely expanded from people he knew from school to friends of friends of people he would game with, and through those people, he got exposed to a broader set of values and maybe even witnessed the core principles he'd been raised with getting mocked, alongside other principles he'd never adopted, with memes. Although he had never embraced left or left-leaning ideas, he probably rejected some of the more "cringe" ideas from the conservatism he'd been raised with because the sacred cows (religion, America, Trump) are common joke fodder. They say he is also very intelligent, with good grades and test scores. Free ride to Utah aggy. Intelligence and ego often correlate.

Meanwhile, material conditions for him and people in his age group are poor and the prospects for improvement appeared (and, in truth, are) bleak. Career? Don't bother. College? Scam (even Charlie Kirk preached that). Family? As if anyone would date a guy who spends 16 hours per day on discord, except other people who spend 16 hours per day on discord. The kind of girl you don't bring home to mother, and aren't starting a family with. So, he started to believe that life is meaningless. The whole world is just a simulation, and not even a particularly fun or interesting one. Or, at the very least, he began to believe that his life is meaningless even though he had been given the gifts of high intelligence and a good upbringing.

Once he'd internalized that belief, he became not apolitical but clinically antisocial. And it wouldn't surprise me if most of the people he would spend all day communicating with are also antisocial to different degrees. So on the one hand, his life was meaningless but on the other had he had that ego. It was that ego that pushed him to actually plan and carry out the crime, and it was his antisocial nihilism that prevented better judgment from intervening. His hatred of Kirk stemmed from something other than politics, even if it's true that he'd made his disagreements with Kirk's views known.

So, at this point based on what limited information we have, I believe the most likely outcome is that, if we ever hear from Tyler Robinson about his motives, what he would say will be totally incomprehensible and bizarre, ala Ryan Routh.

While - again, and it bears repeating - we don't have anything close to a clear picture of the shooter and his beliefs/motives at this point, the limited information that we do have AND the lessons of prior examples tell us this take is most likely pretty close to accurate here.  He isn't going to be a perfect, red-hat MAGA Trumper, who was all-in on MAGA from the get-go and never wavered.  Nor is he going to be a perfect right-wing extremist, who's pissed that MAGA and its acolytes aren't going far enough.  Nor is he going to be the perfect left-wing extremist, with a stated motive of making life better for minorities, gays, George Floyd, and Bernie Sanders.  

The stewpot that these types are most often cooked up in regularly yields an inexplicable result like "vegan big-game hunter."  And as most of us would expect, adopting an identity of "vegan big-game hunter" can fucking mess you up.

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22 minutes ago, bejezuz said:

No shit.  Undergrad and law degrees both from Harvard, Harvard Law Review.  Clerked for Breyer.  Worked as a federal public defender and was on the Oversight Committee for the US Sentencing Guidelines.  Served as a US District Court and Circuit Court judge.  Totally unqualified.  

But she's ... bleck

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

I think we can all agree him being killed was bad.

That’s incorrect. See previous 80 pages. 

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Unless there is independent investigative reporting, we will never get the full truth and evidence about Tyler Robinson and his possible motives. The Trump regime is in charge of what used to be at least considered "apolitical" institutions, they will either block or invent evidence to form their narrative. It's already happening. POTUS and VP are running with blaming leftist organizations without providing the American people a hint of evidence yet. 

They are in charge of everything. Truth is dead. Narrative is all that matters. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Had no idea who this was before 10 mins ago. It appears Sasha is a trans musician who was once a contestant on The Voice. And I am now a fan.

I checked out his feed and was like - "are you sure?"  Guess it goes to show that there are probably a bunch of folks that you walk by and have no idea that they're trans.  And yet probably 30%+ of people are just fucking terrified of these folks.  It makes no sense, but I guess the GQP has to demonize someone to keep the evangelicals in line.  Fucking ghouls, the lot of them.

BTW - in fact-checking, I ran across this - https://religionnews.com/2025/04/04/trans-singer-sasha-allen-releases-single-about-forgiveness-catholic-acceptance/, which has another of his songs ("When I Forgive You").  Incredible stuff in today's environment.  

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58 minutes ago, Covri said:

Charlie Kirk:

Controversial statements on race and diversity

He also said that the deaths in the hill country flash floods this summer would have been lower if Austin did not have a black fire department chief.

For anyone not in the know, the floods occurred about 120 miles from Austin.

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More proof that “unity” and “coming together” means forcing others to comply with right wing beliefs. There is no “both sides” equivalent to this shit, none whatsoever. Thanks to Tulsa Public Schools for their response although it’s going to be another massive shit show. The TPS superintendent is a Black woman but last time Walter’s went after her she was charming enough that the legislature quietly got him to back down. Hopefully that’s what happens here and we won’t hear anything else, but it’s highly doubtful.

 

 

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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sure, there are so many spare teachers in Texas looking to fill the vacancies created by the speech police purge, what could possibly go wrong? 

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19 minutes ago, 'stache said:

More proof that “unity” and “coming together” means forcing others to comply with right wing beliefs. There is no “both sides” equivalent to this shit, none whatsoever. Thanks to Tulsa Public Schools for their response although it’s going to be another massive shit show. The TPS superintendent is a Black woman but last time Walter’s went after her she was charming enough that the legislature quietly got him to back down. Hopefully that’s what happens here and we won’t hear anything else, but it’s highly doubtful.

 

 

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I think the should do the moment of silence when he was shot. Really sell Charlie’s message about unity, respect, and acceptance 

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Also, for someone who holds these views and is pretty influential, this is a great demonstration of civil discourse.  He manages to avoid outrageous statements, acknowledges when things may be controversial, and things of that nature.
Also, he has refused almost all media/interview requests, notably not Freakonomics, and is a bit perturbed at how the WSJ recently wrote about him.
It's not an accident that these common-gooders are Catholic and working from Catholic universities.


The Freakenomics episode paints Deneen's philosophy in a much more benign light than his book Regime Change.

In the book he specifically calls out the need for a small cabal of class traitors (elite, ivy educated managerial class) to implement many of his conservative views) and admits it’s not a call to eliminating elites, but changing who the elites are: christian, aristocratic, truly conservative.

Also of note, he believes republicans, neo cons, etc., are all varying degrees of liberals. At points he seems to be saying feudalism is a better form of governance than godless liberalism, even referencing the downward responsibilities of the nobility to the peasantry.

It’s chilling in its calm reasoning.

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