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3 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

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Dude you know what I mean? Sorry I had an excellent Delta 9 gummy so maybe it makes more sense to me. Fox and the WH are chummy so they probably would get a heads up over other networks bc of the chumminess. Does that not make sense? Ah fuck it. 

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Dude you know what I mean? Sorry I had an excellent Delta 9 gummy so maybe it makes more sense to me. Fox and the WH are chummy so they probably would get a heads up over other networks bc of the chumminess. Does that not make sense? Ah fuck it. 

Sure, it ought to make sense. Except, the words “trust Fox” written in this timeline.

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Posted
1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Can someone explain how he got the gun (mauser rifle?) up on the roof and how he got it down with him, where it was later wrapped in a towel and found by authorities? did he carry it in a bag and assemble it up on the roof? how did he disassemble it so fast when he made the escape?

Mossad imo

Posted
18 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Sure, it ought to make sense. Except, the words “trust Fox” written in this timeline.

Sure. Most of y’all aren’t in my true crime community. A separate deal. So we are agnostic about sources and what not provided the source can be corroborated. We listen to and watch everything. Podcasts, TikTok local YT people in a particular case. All local news and so on. We just want whatever we have to be confirmed in our private and not public chats. 
 

so when I use sources I’m not looking at it thru a left or right political lens. I’m gathering information. Not rhetoric if that makes sense where as in the DT and cloakroom sources are often disregarded (bc mostly opinion based) bc of the source. 
 

in my group one lady believes the Candace Owen types on the far right are being paid by drug cartels to push the theory that Kirk was killed by Israel. And further that he accepted 1 million to change his views. Wild shit. We can discuss all this because while we are all different political beliefs in my large group we don’t go there. It’s about cases and trying to figure them out. Who what when where why how shit. Nothing else. So we don’t come to blows or are trying to make the motive be something it’s not. We only seek the truth wherever it goes. We share theories. Sure we want to be right. Who doesn’t? But it’s about the crime not our politics if that makes any fucking sense lol. 😂 

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Thank you! 😊 

I also read that if the state intends to seek the death penalty (I do remember the governor saying that Kirk’s family will have some input) that they do not have to announce that tomorrow. That they have 60 days I think? To do so?

 

The governor also indicated that they’d have a presser right after the assassin’s court appearance. So maybe they intend to explain that a bit? Bc I can see a scenario where if the DP isn’t automatically sought tomorrow in court that there will be an upheaval in conservative circles and media. So let’s say that Kirk’s widow hasn’t decided or if the State would want to give her some space to decide that. I’d imagine that they will want to have a presser to explain that before they get devoured by the conservatives. this is just a scenario playing out in my mind and the desire to get ahead of what has been a deeply deeply unsettling week for a lot of us, 
 

She may have already made a choice. I’m against DP now…my thoughts over the years have evolved this way…but I’m not going to judge her if she wants that punishment. I also know if she does not want the DP that the state said it will try to honor her wishes.
 

So I hope if that’s the case that the Feds don’t step in to alter that wish. With all the unrest happening I just don’t want to see half of people losing their damned minds when the state appears to have 60 days to make a determination.
 

so my question is that they don’t have to automatically put that down tomorrow? Right? They can also develop more charges if the investigation warrants correct? Or do have time to develop more? 

They have to charge a capital offense first.  And doing so will be a stretch.

This is the Utah homicide statute and it makes capital a number of forms of murder that probably wouldn't pass constitutional muster.  https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S202.html?v=C76-5-S202_2025050720250507

The only one factually even potentially applicable is 

the actor knowingly created a great risk of death to another individual other than the deceased individual and the actor;

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Posted
16 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Sure. Most of y’all aren’t in my true crime community. A separate deal. So we are agnostic about sources and what not provided the source can be corroborated. We listen to and watch everything. Podcasts, TikTok local YT people in a particular case. All local news and so on. We just want whatever we have to be confirmed in our private and not public chats. 
 

so when I use sources I’m not looking at it thru a left or right political lens. I’m gathering information. Not rhetoric if that makes sense where as in the DT and cloakroom sources are often disregarded (bc mostly opinion based) bc of the source. 
 

in my group one lady believes the Candace Owen types on the far right are being paid by drug cartels to push the theory that Kirk was killed by Israel. And further that he accepted 1 million to change his views. Wild shit. We can discuss all this because while we are all different political beliefs in my large group we don’t go there. It’s about cases and trying to figure them out. Who what when where why how shit. Nothing else. So we don’t come to blows or are trying to make the motive be something it’s not. We only seek the truth wherever it goes. We share theories. Sure we want to be right. Who doesn’t? But it’s about the crime not our politics if that makes any fucking sense lol. 😂 

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As a general proposition, most of us are looking at evidence and theories from an evidentiary standpoint:  is it accurate, can it be proven, is it "corroborated."

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23 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

so when I use sources I’m not looking at it thru a left or right political lens.

 

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

As a general proposition, most of us are looking at evidence and theories from an evidentiary standpoint:  is it accurate, can it be proven, is it "corroborated."

I don’t watch network news, but I do pay attention to a particular source’s credibility. Given the amount Fox paid to settle the suit against them, it is not a outfit I hold in esteem. But, sure, if it benefits the WH to have FOX report actual fact, then FOX will do so. Just keep this in mind, if the WH decides at any second after that report that some other narrative suits them more, then FOX will turn on a dime, and report the new talking points.

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Posted
16 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

 

I don’t watch network news, but I do pay attention to a particular source’s credibility. Given the amount Fox paid to settle the suit against them, it is not an outfit I hold in esteem. But, sure, if it benefits the WH to have FOX report actual fact, then FOX will do so. Just keep this in mind, if the WH decides at any second after that report that some other narrative suits them more, then FOX will turn on a dime, and report the new talking points.

Agreed. I do see that. I also see propaganda in a lot of coverage on other platforms. I try my best to weed through it. Basically our sort of motto is if someone has an exclusive interview then we watch it regardless of the platform. Bc it’s a piece of the puzzle. Or helps to shine light on one. 
 

Twitter going batshit over Candace Owen’s making that claim. This shit is just already weird and getting weirder, then you also have bots doing their bot shit. People making up shit. It’s getting to the point where I need like two back up sources for every one source. Even if a source or platform means well they could be spreading wrong shit. Common in all investigations but this is way worse bc of the politics and everyone wanting their to be a motive that works for their group, thankfully my private group doesn’t care about that, we just want the real answers realizing we may not get them at all. But in spite of that we aren’t going to fill the void if there are no answers just to satisfy a particular side or a belief. If we don’t get the answers so be it but we aren’t trying to create ones either. 

Posted
1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Can someone explain how he got the gun (mauser rifle?) up on the roof and how he got it down with him, where it was later wrapped in a towel and found by authorities? did he carry it in a bag and assemble it up on the roof? how did he disassemble it so fast when he made the escape?

He stuck it in his pant leg and up into a backpack. He acted like he had a limp and limped all the way through a neighborhood, into the campus, into the building and up on the roof. There was a stairway that led directly onto the roof. The whole thing is caught on cameras. He climbs over this small wall next to the public roof area and hides for about 20 minutes where he assembles something with the gun, and then goes to his perch and makes the shot. Then he runs across the giant roof area to the corner farthest away from where Kirk was, throws the gun down to the grass, jumps down, and then walked over to a wooded area across the street where he dumped the gun.

Since it was caught on cameras they immediately searched the wooded areas because they saw him walk in there. This video does a good walkthrough. 

The guy is a bit of a dildo but the walkthrough makes sense if you watch all the camera videos. For me, its very strange how easy it is to get up on the roof and get down from it. Its tailor made for a snipers position. Not a difficult maneuver and certainly wouldnt require a bunch of extensive training or anything. The main question for me is how he got the idea to use the roof. Could be as simple as he had been up there before and then heard where Kirk would be setting up and realized he could likely pull it off without having to do anything too complicated. 

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2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Can someone explain how he got the gun (mauser rifle?) up on the roof and how he got it down with him, where it was later wrapped in a towel and found by authorities? did he carry it in a bag and assemble it up on the roof? how did he disassemble it so fast when he made the escape?

If you look at the building where he took the shot, it is connected via a roof-top bridge to the UVU Computer Science building.  Using Google Maps, you can see a stairway that gets you up on the roof-top bridge.

The bridge appears to be at the same height as the roof where he took the shot.  It's possible that he assembled the gun somewhere near the bridge, walked up the stairs and jumped on the roof, then moved to where he took the shot.  It looks easy to get from the roof-top bridge area to the roof of the building where he took the shot.

The NY Times has some pics and maps up that show a likely path:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-manhunt-timeline-kirk-suspect-caught.html

Posted
51 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

He stuck it in his pant leg and up into a backpack. He acted like he had a limp and limped all the way through a neighborhood, into the campus, into the building and up on the roof. There was a stairway that led directly onto the roof. The whole thing is caught on cameras. He climbs over this small wall next to the public roof area and hides for about 20 minutes where he assembles something with the gun, and then goes to his perch and makes the shot. Then he runs across the giant roof area to the corner farthest away from where Kirk was, throws the gun down to the grass, jumps down, and then walked over to a wooded area across the street where he dumped the gun.

Since it was caught on cameras they immediately searched the wooded areas because they saw him walk in there. This video does a good walkthrough. 

The guy is a bit of a dildo but the walkthrough makes sense if you watch all the camera videos. For me, its very strange how easy it is to get up on the roof and get down from it. Its tailor made for a snipers position. Not a difficult maneuver and certainly wouldnt require a bunch of extensive training or anything. The main question for me is how he got the idea to use the roof. Could be as simple as he had been up there before and then heard where Kirk would be setting up and realized he could likely pull it off without having to do anything too complicated. 

What's weird to me is the shot itself.  If Kirk is actually wearing hard body armor then it makes sense.  Bullet clips the armor plate and then ricochets up into his neck.  But it just really doesn't look like he's wearing any body armor at all.  You can see the outline of his pecs and his nips.  So if there's no body armor for the bullet to deflect from what happened?  He didn't just get shot directly in the neck from the front.  I doubt the entry wound would have been that big and there definitely would have been a gaping exit wound.  So did the bullet hit this cross he was wearing?  Seems odd a .30 cal bullet you'd normally use to kill deer would be stopped by something like that.  Especially considering we don't see any wound/blood on his chest.

When I first saw the video of the shooting, I immediately thought he'd been shot from behind.  So there would be some small entry wound on the back of his neck and it forces his body to tense up like we see in the video, then the shirt billows out and the gaping exit wound appears on the front of his neck. This guy's video seems to suggest a bullet could have come from behind him.  A bit morbid but he tries not to show the blood and whatnot.  I'm also not claiming any crazy conspiracy theory like Israel killed him or the shooter was a patsy or anything like that.  Just find the shot itself a bit odd.  

 

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