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For the record, I think Bill Burr is hilarious. He consistently cracks me up. But how did we get to a point where dudes who will honestly present themselves as unqualified to be arbiters of public policy get simultaneously elevated to a position where a calving chunk of the electorate goes "Hey! He's gotta point there!"

Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama (assigned to mentor new hire Barack at Sidley Austin LLC) all had pretty commensurate resumes before 2 of them were elected president. Burr's likely aware of this as he hacks a swath into the bulging circle of "I'm a team-less lone wolf!"

It's the ol' reluctance to be "well, akshully" guy vs "goddamn, there's a shitload of morons who think you have point" conundrum. 

Anyhoo, I can't stand it. Like reading an Ana post. 

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I'm kind of done with comedians. Not saying anybody else should be, but I'm done with them taking blood money, while both sides stepping issues because they want to get paid by everybody.  We've been dancing along the both sides line right into fascism, and then we'll start asking why people listen to comics about anything, when, after all, they're just clowns.  And while accurate, we have a stupid populace that is mentally malleable, and besieged by algorithms.  Clowns or not, comedians can present a perspective that can distill universal truths into digestible comic bits, which can penetrate even the densest skulls.  Most everybody is presented gifts and a crossroads.  

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8 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

I'm kind of done with comedians. Not saying anybody else should be, but I'm done with them taking blood money, while both sides stepping issues because they want to get paid by everybody.  We've been dancing along the both sides line right into fascism, and then we'll start asking why people listen to comics about anything, when, after all, they're just clowns.  And while accurate, we have a stupid populace that is mentally malleable, and besieged by algorithms.  Clowns or not, comedians can present a perspective that can distill universal truths into digestible comic bits, which can penetrate even the densest skulls.  Most everybody is presented gifts and a crossroads.  

There's a fine line between comedians and just "ammirite" angry dude who never considers the answer is "no". 

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1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

There's a fine line between comedians and just "ammirite" angry dude who never considers the answer is "no". 

This is who we are.  It really stings.  We have all these superhero and war movies, where audiences cheer and fantasize fighting the good fight against all odds, defending honor, valor, Americanism, family, humanity, decency.  When, the reality is that too many would take the money from the hands that delivered a bone saw to execute and dismember a human being, a journalist, that was spilling the atrocities we pretend to fight.  The thought that a foreign entity could probably kill any one of us, and then pay to have a group of Americans perform for them is brutal.  Anne Frank gave a face to the oppressed, made them real. And we forgot.  Some kids are coming home, wondering about the whereabouts of their parent(s).  

Bill Burr has rationalized it- those performing all have.  It's sickening.  We're phonies.  The people that are marching, and risk being identified and pressured to lose their jobs or be arrested, and then god knows what.   They're the real heroes. Well, we get to march on the 18th, and protest in solidarity, as Americans, while some clowns sell out.  

 

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I’m exhausted with comedians. I’m tired of the schtick of the brave and unfraid truth-teller, when the consequences for telling jokes that don’t land or behaving poorly is a canceled Netflix series or ostracism. Guess what, if I tell edgy jokes at work or harass people I might get fired or excluded too. 
 

I do appreciate the ability to wrap difficult truths in humor but guess what: that’s actually a defense mechanism, you can always hunker down behind “I was joking, I’m a comedian.” There are people who make a pittance and put their livelihoods and sometimes lives on the line to tell difficult unvarnished truths; they are called investigative journalists. Offensive/provocative  and dangerous to power are two different things and the Venn overlap isn’t that big.

Bill Burr, who can be funny, can get fucked. It takes zero courage to be funny and also non-misogynistic and racist. And I like that he is those things and I’m glad our society has rewarded talent that doesn’t shit on others with lucrative renumeration. But that wasn’t enough, he also needed to be remunerated by a bloody, woman-hating, racist, theocratic nightmare family and then he tells me in Variety why this is cute cultural exchange. Actual truth tellers about Saudi get cut up into little pieces. 
 

Oh, it’s actually not that bad, you say? The only rules are “no jokes about the royals or about religion,” and that sounds reasonable. Here, let me translate: “you can joke about anything except the pillars of our rapacious and oppressive system of power.”  Vladimir Putin has similar rules to appear on his TV.  That’s….not really a concession. 

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And the comedy podcasting craze is horrible. Dozens, if not hundreds, of these guys are putting out hours and hours of content/interviews weekly. 

Comedians are weird, neurotic, and generally live in their own bubble of grievance and misery. And now they have a large audience of young men that listen to their takes on politics, world affairs, race, gender, "woke", free speech, etc. Dark days. 

 

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Aziz Ansari was on Kimmel last night. I like Ansari fine. I’m sure it was discussed before the show and Aziz most likely wanted to talk about his decision to perform in Saudi Arabia because I’m not sure Kimmel was 100% comfortable during the discussion. I 100% disagree with the decision but he had an interesting perspective an it felt like he was expending a lot of effort to defend the decision. Don’t think his reasoning “fixes” it for me as far as that goes but it helped at least a little.

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Aziz Ansari was on Kimmel last night. I like Ansari fine. I’m sure it was discussed before the show and Aziz most likely wanted to talk about his decision to perform in Saudi Arabia because I’m not sure Kimmel was 100% comfortable during the discussion. I 100% disagree with the decision but he had an interesting perspective an it felt like he was expending a lot of effort to defend the decision. Don’t think his reasoning “fixes” it for me as far as that goes but it helped at least a little.

Aziz was cancelled over a bad date. He probably needs the money. It's not a decision I would make, but if you're on the wrong side of your prime, I understand being a sellout. It's either that or doing nightly shows in Vegas for a fraction of the money.

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

But that wasn’t enough, he also needed to be remunerated by a bloody, woman-hating, racist, theocratic nightmare family and then he tells me in Variety why this is cute cultural exchange. Actual truth tellers about Saudi get cut up into little pieces. 

Right, it's not "cultural exchange" when you sign a government sponsored contract agreeing that the powers that be are off limits.

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3 hours ago, C-Man said:

Aziz Ansari was on Kimmel last night. I like Ansari fine. I’m sure it was discussed before the show and Aziz most likely wanted to talk about his decision to perform in Saudi Arabia because I’m not sure Kimmel was 100% comfortable during the discussion. I 100% disagree with the decision but he had an interesting perspective an it felt like he was expending a lot of effort to defend the decision. Don’t think his reasoning “fixes” it for me as far as that goes but it helped at least a little.

It was telling that Seth Rogan didn’t hang around for Aziz’s interview even though they were both there to promote the same movie.

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11 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

@13:30

For the record, I think Bill Burr is hilarious. He consistently cracks me up. But how did we get to a point where dudes who will honestly present themselves as unqualified to be arbiters of public policy get simultaneously elevated to a position where a calving chunk of the electorate goes "Hey! He's gotta point there!"

Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama (assigned to mentor new hire Barack at Sidley Austin LLC) all had pretty commensurate resumes before 2 of them were elected president. Burr's likely aware of this as he hacks a swath into the bulging circle of "I'm a team-less lone wolf!"

It's the ol' reluctance to be "well, akshully" guy vs "goddamn, there's a shitload of morons who think you have point" conundrum. 

Anyhoo, I can't stand it. Like reading an Ana post. 

I've watched enough of Burr to think that the segment just didn't work. I've heard him do edgy stuff that never struck me as anywhere close to the bro shit that is out of control in the Roganshpere, etc. Still really disappointed in the Saudi stuff though.

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I could kind of understand these whore comedians if it was life-changing money at stake. I really can't make sense of Chappell and Burr going to Riyadh. They don't need the money. Especially Chappell.

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It was telling that Seth Rogan didn’t hang around for Aziz’s interview even though they were both there to promote the same movie.

That’s actually a salient point. Had no idea they had this movie coming out until Kimmel started asking Rogan about it. Then I thought it was odd that they weren’t out there together.
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35 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

I could kind of understand these whore comedians if it was life-changing money at stake. I really can't make sense of Chappell and Burr going to Riyadh. They don't need the money. Especially Chappell.


Have you paid attention to the last 15 years of Dave Chappelle’s career? Adam Sandler thinks Dave is a sellout. 

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9 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


Have you paid attention to the last 15 years of Dave Chappelle’s career? Adam Sandler thinks Dave is a sellout. 

 

Yeah it's exactly the shit I expect out of Chapelle. I was very disappointed Burr did it though.

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5 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Bill Burr, who can be funny, can get fucked. It takes zero courage to be funny and also non-misogynistic and racist. And I like that he is those things and I’m glad our society has rewarded talent that doesn’t shit on others with lucrative renumeration. But that wasn’t enough, he also needed to be remunerated by a bloody, woman-hating, racist, theocratic nightmare family and then he tells me in Variety why this is cute cultural exchange. Actual truth tellers about Saudi get cut up into little pieces. 

I have to imagine his wife was not very happy about this. Usually a fan of Burr, but this was a bad move for him and very disappointing.

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4 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

This is a great distillation of the magats crying about cancel culture and free speech.  This can be applied in so many instances.

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I think Bill Burr, rightfully and the KSA thing notwithstanding, would push back on being a Bro-comedian. He, like Chappelle, seem to have a different point of view on popular ideas (e.g. WNBA/women's rights in that clip above, the BLM movement on SNL, trans and terf stuff with Chappelle) and they communicate that POV with humor. In some sense, at least when they were first speaking out on these, they were the counter-cultural POV and going against popularity.

Maybe what Marc is saying isn't wrong about some of those POVs and topics being old and hackneyed now-- but Burr and CHappelle and a few others are the tip of the spear. I think Marc is decrying the long tail, the rest of the wood behind the arrow, that have come along lately in the last few years and saturated the comedy circuit with those takes and he's talking about a whole horde of comediens we don't see or hear from second tier and down trying to make a name for themselves by getting in good graces with the "bro algorithms"?

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1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

I think Bill Burr, rightfully and the KSA thing notwithstanding, would push back on being a Bro-comedian. He, like Chappelle, seem to have a different point of view on popular ideas (e.g. WNBA/women's rights in that clip above, the BLM movement on SNL, trans and terf stuff with Chappelle) and they communicate that POV with humor. 

Maybe what Marc is saying isn't wrong about some of those POVs and topics being old and hackneyed now-- but Burr and CHappelle and a few others are the tip of the spear. I think Marc is decrying the long tail, the rest of the wood behind the arrow, that have come along lately in the last few years and saturated the comedy circuit with those takes and he's talking about a whole horde of comediens we don't see or hear from second tier and down trying to make a name for themselves by getting in good graces with the "bro algorithms"?

brogorithm

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I dislike comedians who have to spend hours filling content for their podcast. If they're telling stories or interviewing someone, then ok. If they have to talk about current events, like politics, then they're insufferable. They have no insight, no experience, often don't know the law or facts. So why should we listen to them.

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I dislike comedians who have to spend hours filling content for their podcast. If they're telling stories or interviewing someone, then ok. If they have to talk about current events, like politics, then they're insufferable. They have no insight, no experience, often don't know the law or facts. So why should we listen to them.

Almost all comedy podcasts are unlistenable slop. Lots of other podcasts, too.  I only want that much of a deep dive from someone who is an actual expert on something but almost no one is talented or interesting enough to just riff on shit for three hours. 
 

Honestly this is part of the issue with Rogan: even if his guest is knowledgeable or interesting, he’s too stupid to guide the conversation in a focused way. (The other part being that he is in fact a malicious disinformation agent). 

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I dislike comedians who have to spend hours filling content for their podcast. If they're telling stories or interviewing someone, then ok. If they have to talk about current events, like politics, then they're insufferable. They have no insight, no experience, often don't know the law or facts. So why should we listen to them.

Is this a thing comedians do now?  I’m not huge into the podcast world, other than some politics and every once in a while a smartless episode or something. 

22 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Almost all comedy podcasts are unlistenable slop. Lots of other podcasts, too.  I only want that much of a deep dive from someone who is an actual expert on something but almost no one is talented or interesting enough to just riff on shit for three hours. 
 

Honestly this is part of the issue with Rogan: even if his guest is knowledgeable or interesting, he’s too stupid to guide the conversation in a focused way. (The other part being that he is in fact a malicious disinformation agent). 

I’ve never understood who has the time to listen to these 3+ hour long interviews.  Wait, are all Rogan bros long haul truckers?

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zero doubt in my mind that saudi money came with bloody strings attached for goodwill upon return to the states. Implied threats, smiling Arabic malice, promises kept and all that and you'll have no worries. 



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