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41 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Man, this guy needs to read this thread if he thinks Sark is considered a top 5 coach with our fanbase 

 

Sark's first 2 seasons are impossible to defend. The last 3 are pretty easily defensible. 

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7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark's first 2 seasons are impossible to defend. The last 3 are pretty easily defensible. 

Sark's first season, coming off covid restrictions and with zero draft eligible players getting drafted? Herman fucked the roster and the team's mentality, and Sark did not have the time or the infrastructure to unfuck it. Plus, the dude just came from Bama. I assume he looked around the locker room and thought "shit, we've got a guy like Bijan? Surely I can do something with these guys." He had no idea how much quit players like Casey Thompson, Josh Moore, and BJ Foster had in their hearts. Not trying to defend Sark's '21 season, but it is certainly possible to defend it. 

Now 2022? A lot of our struggles that season are on Sark, his stubbornness, and his ego. We should have gone much better than 8-5, especially with winnable games against OSU and Tech. The TCU games was especially maddening, because it seemed like we had turned a corner. 

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3 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Sark's first season, coming off covid restrictions and with zero draft eligible players getting drafted? Herman fucked the roster and the team's mentality, and Sark did not have the time or the infrastructure to unfuck it. Plus, the dude just came from Bama. I assume he looked around the locker room and thought "shit, we've got a guy like Bijan? Surely I can do something with these guys." He had no idea how much quit players like Casey Thompson, Josh Moore, and BJ Foster had in their hearts. Not trying to defend Sark's '21 season, but it is certainly possible to defend it. 

Now 2022? A lot of our struggles that season are on Sark, his stubbornness, and his ego. We should have gone much better than 8-5, especially with winnable games against OSU and Tech. The TCU games was especially maddening, because it seemed like we had turned a corner. 

Sark ran Sam off. It's not hard to understand that the 2021 season didn't have to go the way it did, and it wasn't void of talent. Herman didn't fuck the roster at all and it was fine. When you have guys who can't cut it at the D1 level at the most important position it turns out you fucking suck. The continuity to Quinn would have been fucking massive. 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark ran Sam off. 

Really?  I must have missed something because this is the first I've heard of this.  With Sam in 2021 we don't finish with a losing record.

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The roster Sark inherited was considerably different than the type of roster he wanted to field.  It took a bit.  Not that he's perfect, he isn't, but particularly on the lines the SEC demands big dudes and a lot of them.

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark ran Sam off. It's not hard to understand that the 2021 season didn't have to go the way it did, and it wasn't void of talent. Herman didn't fuck the roster at all and it was fine. When you have guys who can't cut it at the D1 level at the most important position it turns out you fucking suck. The continuity to Quinn would have been fucking massive. 

I've heard a few comments from the last month or so that Sark ran Sam off, but I had never heard that before. It seemed clear at the end of the 2020 season that Sam was going to declare for the draft - he sat out the second half of the Colorado bowl game. Was he interested in coming back when Herman got the boot and Sark said no? That seems crazy to me - maybe Sam wasn't a good fit for Sark's offense, but he was the unquestioned leader of the team. Surely Sark could see the value in keeping him around to help transition to the new staff?

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9 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark ran Sam off.

Remind me, did Sam get a redshirt year due to COVID?  He started in 6 games in 2017 based on my recollection.  I always thought of 2020 as his senior season.

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11 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Remind me, did Sam get a redshirt year due to COVID?  He started in 6 games in 2017 based on my recollection.  I always thought of 2020 as his senior season.

Yeah, he got a COVID year and could have played in 2021.    

14 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

maybe Sam wasn't a good fit for Sark's offense

But Casey Thompson was?

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15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Yeah, he got a COVID year and could have played in 2021.    

But Casey Thompson was?

I'm assuming that the relatively unknown quantities of Casey Thompson and Hudson Card (who was actually picked as the starter back in 2021, before...Arkansas) seemed like moldable clay to Sark, while Sam was what he was. 

To be clear, I think Sark should have kept Sam on the roster if only for the intangible qualities that Sam brought to the team. But I don't think Sam was actually planning to stay for another season. 

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Sam declared for the draft the day after Sark was announced

So the implication is the first thing Sark did after accepting the job was tell Sam to fuck off?  While also still being with Bama and prepping for the champ game? 

Yeah...you've put it more bluntly than I would have, but the story sounds like bullshit to me. 

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4 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I'm assuming that the relatively unknown quantities of Casey Thompson and Hudson Card (who was actually picked as the starter back in 2021, before...Arkansas) seemed like moldable clay to Sark, while Sam was what he was. 

To be clear, I think Sark should have kept Sam on the roster if only for the intangible qualities that Sam brought to the team. But I don't think Sam was actually planning to stay for another season. 

Yeah...you've put it more bluntly than I would have, but the story sounds like bullshit to me. 

Sam is not, was not and will not be the first or last QB to forego a final year to play under a brand new staff. He put in 4 season and likely didn’t want to stay for a 5th under a brand new coaching staff. I don’t blame him but I doubt he was told to fuck off in the 24 hours Sark was HC

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Also I'm just imagining Sark on a Zoom with the team on January 2 and being like "wow guys, can't wait to get to sit down with you and talk about the future of Texas football and all that when I'm done prepping for and coaching in the champ game.  See you soon! Oh Sam, can you stay on for a minute longer? Just wanted to talk to you about something" 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Also I'm just imagining Sark on a Zoom with the team on January 2 and being like "wow guys, can't wait to get to sit down with you and talk about the future of Texas football and all that when I'm done prepping for and coaching in the champ game.  See you soon! Oh Sam, can you stay on for a minute longer? Just wanted to talk to you about something" 

Sark, the guy who was on a plane to Dallas the day Ewers officially was in the portal?

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7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Also I'm just imagining Sark on a Zoom with the team on January 2 and being like "wow guys, can't wait to get to sit down with you and talk about the future of Texas football and all that when I'm done prepping for and coaching in the champ game.  See you soon! Oh Sam, can you stay on for a minute longer? Just wanted to talk to you about something" 

Well unless AI is unable to find the gossip from the 9.95’ers and shit of that nature or AI is fucking with me this is what AI said about Sam and Steve: 

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Tom herman left the roster in fine shape….that was not on my bingo card folks. 37 forced portals in the beginning of guys who went on to be average or below average at powerhouses like sam Houston state, Nevada, Purdue, utsa, smu, or New Mexico. Sark definitely could have won more games with better decision making but saying the roster was fine is flat out fuckin crazy. 

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5 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Anyone wanting to jump into this years coaching market is a retard. Exhibit A above.

The market doesn't define Texas. We set the market. We wouldn't lose out on our first choice to LSU, UF or anyone else looking right now.

As for actually wanting to find a new coach, how will the folks that matter feel if we get rolled by UGA and aggie, with CFB's most expensive roster.

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2 hours ago, JFKFC said:

The market doesn't define Texas. We set the market. We wouldn't lose out on our first choice to LSU, UF or anyone else looking right now.

Yeah remember when we had to hire our 5th choice back when Mack retired? We sure set the market on that one! 

Let’s not get too arrogant. 

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4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah remember when we had to hire our 5th choice back when Mack retired? We sure set the market on that one! 

Let’s not get too arrogant. 

We also had this fuckstick running things.

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I agree we can't just assume that Texas is going to elbow other programs out of the way to get the top candidate on the market.  But we're far better equipped to get a top candidate now than in 2013.

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We sucked for a decade before hiring Sarkisian.

We've worked our way back up to the top ten after a disastrous start. We've been to the more restricted playoffs two years in a row. We're in the hunt for a playoff spot this year.

Our brand new OL has performed very poorly but may be improving. Same goes for our QB.

Let's get a new coach?

Who? Some dream coach? You sure you're going to improve on the guy who got us here?

Crazy talk as far as I'm concerned. We were picked a year early by the idiot sports press. They were wrong in crowning Manning not us. They were wrong in their assessment; we weren't bad because we didn't meet it. It was stupid just like all the other stupid choices they crowded into the top ten. 

We may make some noise this year because of the parity and our improvement towards the championship contender we will certainly be next year.

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2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

They’ve made dumber hires than Sark and it’s a glamour franchise.  

The Giants are a glamour franchise? Really? I stopped watching the NFL around the same time Jeff Fisher buttfucked Vince Young, but the Giants have been shit with a couple great Eli Manning runs for the last 30 or so years. And I mean shit. Other than being in New York city, what makes them a great destination? The management sucks, they're almost as bad of a laughing stock as the Browns. What makes it Glamour? Because if you say New York city, my response is the New York Knicks, the New York Jets, and the New York Mets, also NY teams that are jokes at this point. I just don't see it. 

51 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah remember when we had to hire our 5th choice back when Mack retired? We sure set the market on that one! 

Let’s not get too arrogant. 

We can be realistic, however. This isn't 2013, where we'd already fallen behind on facilities, had assholes running the athletic department, and wouldn't play the bag game. Now NIL has changed the entire landscape, we're at the forefront of the NIL game, and we have a stable and exceptional athletic department in a talent rich state. We can realistically have high fucking expectations.

40 minutes ago, Js1 said:

We are but CDC wasn’t part of the Eltife-Hartzell hiring duo last time. They picked Sark

Hartzell is gone 

Uh, you don't think the AD we hired in 2017 had a strong hand in deciding who our coaching hire was in 2021? Del Conte was leading that show every step of the way. 

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13 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 Other than being in New York city, what makes them a great destination?

New Jersey. They don't even get NY City. They get New Jersey.

 

Sark can go to the NFL. He will be looking for another job in two to three years, if he does.

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18 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

We sucked for a decade before hiring Sarkisian.

We've worked our way back up to the top ten after a disastrous start. We've been to the more restricted playoffs two years in a row. We're in the hunt for a playoff spot this year.

Our brand new OL has performed very poorly but may be improving. Same goes for our QB.

Let's get a new coach?

Who? Some dream coach? You sure you're going to improve on the guy who got us here?

Crazy talk as far as I'm concerned. We were picked a year early by the idiot sports press. They were wrong in crowning Manning not us. They were wrong in their assessment; we weren't bad because we didn't meet it. It was stupid just like all the other stupid choices they crowded into the top ten. 

We may make some noise this year because of the parity and our improvement towards the championship contender we will certainly be next year.

I like Sark as much as the next guy and personally hope he stays, but let's not overlook the fact that our return to success also coincides nicely with it becoming legal to pay players. It's really hard to argue that the actual X's and O's on the field this year has been overly impressive.

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32 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

The Giants are a glamour franchise? Really? I stopped watching the NFL around the same time Jeff Fisher buttfucked Vince Young, but the Giants have been shit with a couple great Eli Manning runs for the last 30 or so years. And I mean shit. Other than being in New York city, what makes them a great destination? The management sucks, they're almost as bad of a laughing stock as the Browns. What makes it Glamour? Because if you say New York city, my response is the New York Knicks, the New York Jets, and the New York Mets, also NY teams that are jokes at this point. I just don't see it. 

We can be realistic, however. This isn't 2013, where we'd already fallen behind on facilities, had assholes running the athletic department, and wouldn't play the bag game. Now NIL has changed the entire landscape, we're at the forefront of the NIL game, and we have a stable and exceptional athletic department in a talent rich state. We can realistically have high fucking expectations.

Uh, you don't think the AD we hired in 2017 had a strong hand in deciding who our coaching hire was in 2021? Del Conte was leading that show every step of the way. 

It’s no Nashville, but nyc is up and coming for sure. 

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5 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I like Sark as much as the next guy and personally hope he stays, but let's not overlook the fact that our return to success also coincides nicely with it becoming legal to pay players. It's really hard to argue that the actual X's and O's on the field this year has been overly impressive.

It’s kinda like now there is a cap in the NFL Jerruh ain’t won shit in 30 years. Probably the singular best coaching job I have seen since NIL has been Cignetti. Because Indiana in their entire history has only had two ten win seasons. Both under Cig. They are a basketball school and so on. Imagine what Leach at Texas Tech could have done with NIL? It’s not that Sark is a shitty HC. Both he and Lane are talented. With several stops at HC. And the MNC is what eludes them both as HC. That doesn’t mean you cut bait on them or that they won’t eventually get the trophy as a HC but…you cannot separate Sark’s success from being at Texas and benefitting from NIL. Jmo. What would he be doing at OSU or Kansas State? He’s always been attached to fairly major programs. What would he do if the talent bucket was half empty and with limited funds? I think he would have about the same record at those places that he has here. And that’s my biggest knock on him. There are no excuses for losing to a shitty Florida team after a bye. The glare is that much harsher on him bc he has never won the big one as a HC. He gets leeway for being in the playoffs the last two years but we look sloppy and undisciplined and discombobulated at multiple times during the past three years and I cannot excuse that shit. He has top five NIL and Talent. People ripped Mack Brown’s mostly 10-3 shit while he was here. Let’s not pretend that with an expanded playoff and NIL and ability to get any player he pretty much wants that we should excuse Sark for potentially 9-3 bullshit either. He ain’t won shit yet. Praying he will.  Because the list of available candidates for his role are hit or miss with mostly misses. 

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14 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

It’s no Nashville, but nyc is up and coming for sure. 

Would you say both Nashville and NYC are slowly becoming the new Charlottesville? 

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37 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I like Sark as much as the next guy and personally hope he stays, but let's not overlook the fact that our return to success also coincides nicely with it becoming legal to pay players. It's really hard to argue that the actual X's and O's on the field this year has been overly impressive.

A worthwhile observation about money, but be careful of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Xs and Os looked bad early because of poor execution. Plays were there. 

I'm not arguing Sark's perfect. I do argue the performance I named. I stick by my assessment of us being overrated to start the year. 

The main point of my post was about who would we get to replace Sark who would certainly improve on what he is doing. Who would that be? I've noticed over the years that many people don't think that far ahead. Several top programs face that problem now. 

Who's next?

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