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11 hours ago, butthurt said:

 

 

Been a lot of videos with a lot of music that was a bit of a struggle. The narration on that one might make it top 5 of all posts in this thread and I've no idea what he was saying.

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43 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Mockingbirds qould fuck a drone up. They are in territorial asshole mode right now.

Cardinals too. Good think the drones have no windows nor mirrors.

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12 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Cardinals too. Good think the drones have no windows nor mirrors.

Oh yeah Mr. Smartypants?  Check out this actual spy photo, recently taken at a top secret Chinese weapons contractor's R&D site...

3D Reconstruction Using a Mirror-Mounted Drone: Development and Evaluation  of Actual Equipment | SpringerLink

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28 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Oh yeah Mr. Smartypants?  Check out this actual spy photo, recently taken at a top secret Chinese weapons contractor's R&D site...

3D Reconstruction Using a Mirror-Mounted Drone: Development and Evaluation  of Actual Equipment | SpringerLink

I feel sadness and annoyance for the drone. The Russian operator, hope he enjoys the suck! 

"Bird kill your drone? No zoop no wodka fir Da!" 

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From the comments.  Kinda looks that way on the vid:

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FFS. Those idiots were doing one of those missions where they lob a volley of rockets at UA positions but they were too close and numbskull shot his wingman down. Good on ya, orx!

 

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3 hours ago, Captainant said:

Orban and his shithousery have been in the background lately, but for a couple years he's been pretty antogonistic towards Ukrainian sovreignty and exceptionally friendly towards putin's russia.

Wow what a shock that the pundits whispering in Orban's ear were actually russian agents under the supervision of the GRU! Crazy, but also completely predictable.

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9 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

The Russian's have already opened factories producing copies and modified versions. The designs are so simple, they were never not proliferating.

Agreed. 

Ukrainian drone strikes deep into Russia are never gonna stop:

 

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13 hours ago, B00M said:

Agreed. 

Ukrainian drone strikes deep into Russia are never gonna stop:

 

Okay, I did truly NOT expect to hear "Okana's finger bang session" in that video, particularly given the tone of the narrator.

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Russia is shifting tactics again, assaulting Ukrainian cities with swarms of killer drones
Ivana Kottasová
CNN  — 

On a recent evening in Kyiv, 4-year-old Olexander Reshetnik made a simple suggestion to his parents: “Let’s go to the parking garage now so we can sleep properly, and you don’t have to wake us up twice to take us there and back.”

The family lives on the 18th floor of a high-rise building and getting into the underground garage that doubles as a bomb shelter during Russian attacks is an uncomfortable experience. With aerial attacks becoming more common, it made sense to Oleksander to simply stay there.

Even at his young age, he knew the Russians would likely attack again.

His mother Khrystyna Reshetnik said the family has gotten used to seeing drones being shot down in the skies over Ukraine’s capital. In days gone by there would be one or two, maybe three, but things have changed.

“Lately, they’ve been flying like a swarm that doesn’t stop for three or four hours. Explosions right outside the windows,” she told CNN.

Russia has ramped up its airborne attacks against Ukraine in recent weeks, launching as many as 479 drones and missiles in a single night. These assaults are not just bigger and more frequent; they are also more concentrated and executed in a way that makes them a lot more difficult to combat – as they are flown at higher altitudes, out of reach of machine guns.

The increase in the number of drones Russia is deploying against its neighbor is stunning: seven of Moscow’s largest drone attacks in its war on Ukraine have happened in the past four weeks, according to a CNN tally.

Russia successfully scaled up the domestic production of its most frequently used drone – the Iranian-designed Shahed – last fall and is now churning out hundreds of these killing machines every day.

Christina Harward, a Russia analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, said that according to current estimates, Moscow can now produce about 2,700 Shahed drones per month, as well as some 2,500 decoy drones.

“These numbers are allowing Russia to more frequently launch over 300 or even 400 drones in just one night,” she told CNN.

The fact that some of the drones are decoys makes little difference to the Ukrainian defenses as Moscow has adapted them in a way that makes it very difficult to distinguish them from the real thing.

“So, either Ukrainian forces spend time trying to identify the decoys or they spend precious resources shooting them down. Either way, this helps the Russian missiles and Shaheds – with their large payloads – (as they) have the chance to get through to their targets,” Harward said.

The increased number of drones launched each night is overwhelming Ukrainian air defenses, especially since Russia began to zero in on handful of locations at a time.

On Monday night, it targeted the Ukrainian capital and the Black Sea port city of Odesa. The following night, it was Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city.

“Instead of targeting a bit here and there, they concentrate the strikes and are able to achieve maximum effect, both kinetic and psychological,” Oleksiy Melnyk, a former Ukrainian defense ministry official who is now the co-director of foreign relations and international security programs at the Razumkov Center in Kyiv, told CNN.

Russia maintains that it does not target civilians, but evidence to the contrary continues to mount. At least 154 Ukrainian civilians – including children – have been killed by drones, in Russian missile assaults and by artillery across the country in the last four weeks. A further 900 civilians have been injured.

The deadly attacks are designed to undermine Ukrainian morale and create the illusion that Russia has the upper hand in the war – even though Moscow is far from “winning.”

The front line in Ukraine has not moved in any significant way since Ukrainian forces liberated the southern city of Kherson in November 2023.

Russia has only managed to seize about 5,000 square kilometers (1,900 square miles) of Ukraine’s territory since then. Russian troops have advanced in some areas in eastern and northern Ukraine in recent months but have not managed to break through or take over a major city.

Yuriy Chumak spends many of his nights perched on Kyiv’s rooftops, machine gun in hand. A Supreme Court judge by day, he is part of a volunteer drone-hunting unit by night. He said the skies have gotten significantly busier in recent weeks.

“There are many more drones. This is an objective fact. And, of course, the more there are, the harder it is to work against them,” Chumak told CNN.

He said after Moscow started flying drones at higher altitudes, it has become much harder, if not impossible, for his unit to destroy them.

Previously, Russian forces would fly the drones low, for example along a riverbed, to avoid being detected by Ukraine’s air defenses for as long as possible.

“The time to respond was very short because we only detected it when it was (close),” he said.

These days, he said, Russian drones are flying two to five kilometers (1 to 3 miles) above the ground.

“We can see them all. Radars can track them. But it has become impossible to shoot them down with machine guns,” Chumak said, adding that Ukraine now has to use missiles to thwart them.

But missiles are in much shorter supply. This is pushing Ukrainian forces to find new solutions on the go. Melnyk said that the efficiency of Ukraine’s air defense system remains remarkable. “Even now, about 80% of drones are being intercepted. A few months ago, this percentage was about 95. (But) we can see the impact of Russia increasing the number (of drones) and changing tactics,” he added.

Speaking to reporters last month, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky praised the Ukrainian Air Force and volunteers like Chumak for pivoting as Russia ramped up its air war.

He added that Kyiv was now using drone-to-drone interceptors to combat the higher altitude bombardment. “We have the technology. The question is when we will be able to expand,” he said.

Zelensky said that Russia can produce some 300 to 350 drones a day, while Ukraine can only make 100.

“The issue is no longer about production capacity. It’s financial,” he said.

‘The norm for our children’

Kyiv mom Khrystyna Reshetnik said one of the worst things about the Russian aerial assaults is that they have become commonplace to her three boys, aged 4, 8 and 11. Olexander regularly asks whether the noise he hears is a Kalibr cruise missile or a drone.

“He’s just a little boy and he already understands what’s going on,” Reshetnik said. As the attacks have intensified in size and scope, the family has been spending more time in the underground parking garage, where Olexander and his two brothers sleep in the trunk of their car.

“This has become the norm for our children. It hurts my heart,” she said.

Yet despite the daily horrors they experience, the Reshetniks are among the lucky ones. They live in Kyiv, a city that is relatively well defended. The majority of the explosions they hear are Ukrainian air defenses intercepting Russian drones.

Many others elsewhere around the country are left without protective shields because Ukraine’s access to air defenses is limited by what its Western allies are willing to spare. Closer to the front lines, Russian troops have been using smaller drones to target civilians.

“We talk about these big attacks, especially when Kyiv is under attack, but cities like Sumy or Kherson are under attack 24/7,” Melnyk said, interrupted by an air raid alarm as he spoke to CNN.

“There is (a) ballistic missile coming, so I am going to go into the shelter. My point is that this is the daily life of Ukrainian citizens and civilians.”

CNN’s Kostya Gak and Victoria Butenko contributed reporting. 

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Russian drone factory while EU calls for tougher sanctions on Moscow

 

Ukraine targets alleged Russian drone manufacturing facility 1,200km away from the frontline

Alisha Rahaman Sarkar
Monday 16 June 2025 11:07 BST

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Ukraine attacked a Russian drone factory in the Tatarstan region, located about 1,200km away from the frontline.

At least one person was killed and 13 others wounded in Sunday's attack, according to regional governor Rustam Minnikhanov. He said the Ukrainian drone was destroyed, but falling debris ignited a fire and struck a vehicle manufacturing plant in the Yelabuga district.

The Ukrainian military said the Russian factory produced, tested, and launched drones at Ukraine. Russia launched 183 drones and decoys, along with 11 missiles, according to the Ukrainian Air Force, which said its air defences destroyed 111 drones and eight missiles, while another 48 drones were jammed.

Meanwhile, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen has urged the G7 nations to ramp up sanctions on Russia to secure a ceasefire in Ukraine. "Last week, we put forward a proposal for an 18 sanctions package. I will invite all G7 partners to join us in this endeavour," she said.

The EU is set to adopt a new sanctions package on Russia, but has so far failed to convince US president Donald Trump, who has been reluctant to pressure Russian president Vladimir Putin into imposing new American sanctions.

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24 minutes ago, texastough said:

With other forms of air defense not cutting it against drone swarms, I bet the Ukrainians roll out interceptor drones they design/produce domestically before we know it

 

They are already building and deploying them.

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Trump Renews Embrace of Putin Amid Rift With Allies
President Trump opened his remarks at the Group of 7 gathering of industrialized nations by criticizing the decision to expel Russia from the bloc after Moscow’s 2014 “annexation” of Crimea.

President Trump could have opened by talking about trade. He could have discussed the wars in the Middle East or the long-running, brutal war in Ukraine.

But there was something else that appeared to be top of mind for Mr. Trump during Monday’s meeting in Canada of the leaders of the Group of 7 industrialized nations: President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

“The G7 used to be the G8,” Mr. Trump told reporters, referring to the group’s decision to eject Russia in 2014, after it attacked Ukraine and “annexed” Crimea, a prelude to its full-scale invasion.

He went on to blame former President Barack Obama and former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada for kicking Russia out, and argued that its inclusion in the group would have averted the war in Ukraine. (Mr. Trump was wrong — it was not Mr. Trudeau, but rather Stephen Harper, who was the Canadian prime minister at the time of Russia’s expulsion.)

“I would say that was a mistake,” Mr. Trump said, “because I think you wouldn’t have a war right now.”

And with that, Mr. Trump’s troubled history with the alliance repeated itself. When he attended the summit the last time it was held in Canada, in 2018, he called for Russia to be readmitted to the alliance. The suggestion angered and appalled allies, setting off a rift before Mr. Trump left the summit early, telling reporters on his way out: “They should let Russia come back in. Because we should have Russia at the negotiating table.”

Mr. Trump’s remarks came one day before he was supposed to meet in Canada with Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, whom Mr. Trump has repeatedly criticized for the invasion of his country and has even accused of not wanting the war to end.

The White House announced on Monday that Mr. Trump would leave the summit early and return to Washington to deal with the war between Israel and Iran. In a recent interview, Mr. Trump said he was open to having Mr. Putin serve as a mediator in the Middle East conflict.

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Mr. Trump’s argument on Monday was even more remarkable given that he returned to the summit three years after Russia escalated the aggression that got it ejected in the first place — launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in 2022, with similar goals of seizing its territory.

The scene on Monday illustrated how even more aligned Mr. Trump has grown with the Russian autocrat since his first time in office, and how alienated Mr. Trump has become from American allies who have rallied around Ukraine.

Asked about Mr. Trump’s decision to open his remarks at the summit by criticizing Mr. Putin’s expulsion from the bloc, a White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters, said Mr. Trump had long held that view and would share his opinion even if he were meeting with global leaders who feel differently.

Mr. Trump, in his remarks on Monday, repeated a claim he made in 2018, that the Group of 7 needed Mr. Putin to help solve some of the world’s problems — including ones the Russian leader himself caused. “You spend so much time talking about Russia, and he’s no longer at the table,” Mr. Trump said.

John Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said Mr. Trump’s multiple calls for Russia to rejoin the alliance indicated his lack of knowledge about the history of the bloc. Mr. Bolton accompanied Mr. Trump to the 2018 summit, where a memorable photo emerged of Mr. Trump seated across from other world leaders with his arms folded in defiance.

“Never seemed to understand that Russia had been kicked out of the G8 for invading Ukraine,” Mr. Bolton said. He said Mr. Trump also could not comprehend that the partnership “was a group of like-minded industrial democracies. Apparently, still doesn’t understand.”

On Monday, Mr. Trump eventually issued statements and answer questions on Iran and trade. But he began by boasting about his close relationship with Mr. Putin.

“Putin speaks to me; he doesn’t speak to anybody else,” Mr. Trump said, “because he was very insulted when he got thrown out at the G8, as I would be, as you would be, as anybody would be.”

Mr. Trump has spoken with Mr. Putin regularly, as recently as Saturday, when he said that the Russian leader had called him to wish him a “Happy Birthday” and spent more time discussing the Iranian-Israeli conflict than the war he started.

“Our G7 partners are likely to conclude that Trump may be more interested in rehabilitating Putin rather than joining the consensus supporting Ukraine,” said Daniel M. Price, who worked on international trade and investment during the Bush administration.

Mr. Trump’s embrace — and sometimes outright defense — of Mr. Putin in his second term has thus far done little to quell the war, which he claimed on the campaign trail he could end in one day. He has also acknowledged that Mr. Putin may be taking advantage of him by dragging out the war.

As Russia has escalated its incursion into Ukraine, Mr. Trump has repeatedly threatened tariffs against Russia, though he has yet to follow through.

At the same time, Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain, along with other European leaders, was expected to use the summit to announce another sanctions package against Russia. Mr. Starmer said in a statement that he wanted to “work with all of our G7 partners to squeeze Russia’s energy revenues and reduce the funds they are able to pour into their illegal war.”

Asked after a meeting with Mr. Starmer on Monday if the United States would join Europe in applying further sanctions, Mr. Trump downplayed the measure.

“Well, Europe is saying that, but they haven’t done it yet,” he said. “Let’s see them do it first.”

Mr. Trump said he was still waiting to see if a cease-fire deal could be made, adding that sanctions would also be costly for the United States. “It’s not just, let’s sign a document,” he said. “You’re talking about billions and billions of dollars. Sanctions are not that easy. It’s not just a one-way street.”

Mr. Trump, in recent months, has also indicated that he wants to all but wash his hands of the war in Ukraine, having grown frustrated by the lack of progress in negotiating a peace deal.

Experts said that Mr. Trump’s comments on Monday about welcoming Russia back into the fold of leading industrialized countries made clear his shifting goal post for the war.

“To make that particular point I think cuts to the core of the recent most successful actions the G7 has taken,” said Josh Lipsky, the senior director for the Atlantic Council’s GeoEconomics Center. “It puts the summit in a G6 plus one dynamic right off the bat.”

 

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I do understand a why the G7 is pushing for more sanctions and fully support it. I just think at this point Putin is in way too deep and nothing is stopping him short of his over throw/assassination. That said, these sanctions leading to more economic hardship could potentially press that coup time frame forward.

KANANASKIS - Britain on Tuesday announced further sanctions against Russia over the war in Ukraine, in what Prime Minister Keir Starmer will describe as part of a coordinated move by the Group of Seven (G7) countries.

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A notice posted on the government website said Britain's latest sanctions targeted four individuals, six entities and 20 ships, including oil tankers, marine-related companies, and suppliers of goods to Russia - particularly electronics.

Starmer is expected to set out details of the sanctions later on Tuesday from a G7 summit in Canada.

He will say he wants "to work with all of our G7 partners to squeeze Russia's energy revenues and reduce the funds they are able to pour into their illegal war," according to advance excerpts of his remarks released by his office.

"We should take this moment to increase economic pressure and show President (Vladimir) Putin it is in his - and Russia’s interests - to demonstrate he is serious about peace," Starmer is expected to say.

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Top Russian security official holds talks with N.Korea's Kim for second time in two weeks.

Looks to me like both Norks and Orcs are about to double down. I had not heard about the "passenger" train at the end of the article. Found it interesting. "Do you dream of travel? Ever wanted to see the beauty of the Russian empire. We're re-opening our passenger service train for first class travel to visit the beautiful cities in our closest ally's amazing country. Sign up now at your nearest With Love for Un, Travel Services Branch." - Nork TV advertising 

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June 17 (Reuters) - Sergei Shoigu, a senior Russian security official, held talks with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for the second time in two weeks on Tuesday and said he was carrying out "special instructions" from President Vladimir Putin.

Shoigu, secretary of Russia's Security Council and a former defence minister with close ties to Putin, previously visited Pyongyang and met Kim on March 21 and June 4 as Moscow and Pyongyang draw closer together in the face of what they say is a hostile West.

Russia's state Rossiiskaya Gazeta, which said Shoigu and Kim were holding wide-ranging security consultations on Tuesday, published a video of Kim - wearing a traditional Mao suit - hugging Shoigu on arrival before accompanying him to a hall with a long negotiating table.

"Two weeks have passed and we are meeting again," said Kim, before chuckling.

"The president's instruction must be fulfilled," replied Shoigu, who quickly agreed when Kim said Shoigu's frequent visits showed that ties between Moscow and Pyongyang were getting stronger.

In a message last week, Kim called Putin his "dearest comrade" and praised their bilateral relations as a "genuine relationship between comrades-in-arms" - a reference to the role of North Korean troops who Moscow said helped it drive Ukrainian forces out of Russia's western Kursk region last year.

Shoigu was given the red carpet treatment in Pyongyang and met off his plane by an honour guard and Marshal Pak Jong-chon, who occupies the second most powerful position in the secretive North Korean military.

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The U.S. and South Korea say North Korea has shipped ballistic missiles, anti-tank rockets and millions of rounds of ammunition for Russia to use in its war against Ukraine. Moscow and Pyongyang have denied weapons transfers.

A Reuters investigation in April 2025 found that millions of North Korean shells had made their way to the front lines in massive shipments by sea and then by train.

Russia said this month the two countries planned to shortly restart a direct passenger train service between Moscow and Pyongyang for the first time since 2020, a journey which at over 10,000 km (6,213 miles) it said was the world's longest direct rail trip.

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Appears some sort of quid pro quo between Ukraine and the US is being worked out. Not surprisingly it looks like "defense projects" and "reconstruction" for "mineral rights". Also unsurprisingly, the details and specifics are very vague but at this point at least its a positive direction so... 

Ukraine says it held talks with US on supporting defence projects under joint fund

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KYIV - Senior Ukrainian officials spoke with their U.S. counterparts about the possibility of supporting defence projects in Ukraine under a joint investment fund set up last month, Kyiv's first deputy prime minister said on Wednesday.

Kyiv is aiming to shore up support from Washington, which has been its top military backer, as it seeks to end its grinding war with Russia, now in its fourth year.

Yulia Svyrydenko said the discussions included U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and took place during the G7 summit in Canada.

"Talks focused on expanding the fund's mandate to support defense sector projects inside Ukraine," she wrote on social media platform X.

The two countries established a joint reconstruction fund as part of a deal allowing U.S. access to Ukrainian minerals, which Kyiv hopes will pave the way for more support against Russia's full-scale invasion.

Svyrydenko did not specify the nature of the defence projects. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has previously asked the U.S. for a licence to produce critical Patriot air-defence systems used to shoot down ballistic missiles.

He has also said Kyiv is willing to purchase weapons from the United States, which under the Trump administration has not announced any new arms packages for Ukraine.

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Appears some sort of quid pro quo between Ukraine and the US is being worked out. Not surprisingly it looks like "defense projects" and "reconstruction" for "mineral rights". Also unsurprisingly, the details and specifics are very vague but at this point at least its a positive direction so... 

Ukraine says it held talks with US on supporting defence projects under joint fund

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KYIV - Senior Ukrainian officials spoke with their U.S. counterparts about the possibility of supporting defence projects in Ukraine under a joint investment fund set up last month, Kyiv's first deputy prime minister said on Wednesday.

Kyiv is aiming to shore up support from Washington, which has been its top military backer, as it seeks to end its grinding war with Russia, now in its fourth year.

Yulia Svyrydenko said the discussions included U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and took place during the G7 summit in Canada.

"Talks focused on expanding the fund's mandate to support defense sector projects inside Ukraine," she wrote on social media platform X.

The two countries established a joint reconstruction fund as part of a deal allowing U.S. access to Ukrainian minerals, which Kyiv hopes will pave the way for more support against Russia's full-scale invasion.

Svyrydenko did not specify the nature of the defence projects. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has previously asked the U.S. for a licence to produce critical Patriot air-defence systems used to shoot down ballistic missiles.

He has also said Kyiv is willing to purchase weapons from the United States, which under the Trump administration has not announced any new arms packages for Ukraine.

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Sure. Fine.  That's an easy negotiation.  Ukraine is under duress.  Promise whatever it takes to get the defense aid necessary to your survival.

Then, when the war is over, break your promises (can be done either politely or rudely).  The polite way is to hope that you have a new, non-evil US regime to approach and say "hey, it would be economically crippling for us to give all that shit to you, how about you let us out of some key elements of the deal," and have an agreed extrication from the truly burdensome elements.  The rude way is just to say "nope, fuck off, we're not letting your interests into the country."  Either one works.  If we get pissed off and threaten to sanction Ukraine because they aren't sticking with the "deal" we forced them into....who do you think will join us?  Nobody.

So, sure.  Promise the Regime they can build Trumpland amusement parks in every Ukrainian city, and that they'll send tribute of $100 million a month in Trump meme coins as soon as the war is over.  Whatever.  It's a deal that isn't worth more than the paper it's printed on (and, if it's like the recent deal signed at the G7 summit.....it's literally JUST the paper and signature).

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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sure. Fine.  That's an easy negotiation.  Ukraine is under duress.  Promise whatever it takes to get the defense aid necessary to your survival.

I get it.

The current admin doesn't dicuss it, fuck them they suck. 

Current admin does discuss helping, fuck them they suck.

Doesn't matter what they do, 

"FUCK THEM THEY SUCK"

Great talk Brisketexan.

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1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

I get it.

The current admin doesn't dicuss it, fuck them they suck. 

Current admin does discuss helping, fuck them they suck.

Doesn't matter what they do, 

"FUCK THEM THEY SUCK"

Great talk Brisketexan.

Making it directly transactional under duress is what has changed.   My point is that it's not a change at all.  I'll promise you whatever it takes in times of desperation.  Just know that I won't keep my promise when the pressure is off.  That's just human rules.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Making it directly transactional under duress is what has changed.   My point is that it's not a change at all.  I'll promise you whatever it takes in times of desperation.  Just know that I won't keep my promise when the pressure is off.  That's just human rules.

I know you can't change. Being a GRU member means no matter what is produced by US politicians it has to be shit on repeatedly and frequently. Putin would be proud of you and your efforts.

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34 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I get it.

The current admin doesn't dicuss it, fuck them they suck. 

Current admin does discuss helping, fuck them they suck.

Doesn't matter what they do, 

"FUCK THEM THEY SUCK"

Great talk Brisketexan.

This isn't wrong.  

30 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I know you can't change. Being a GRU member means no matter what is produced by US politicians it has to be shit on repeatedly and frequently. Putin would be proud of you and your efforts.

I know Brisket can take care of himself.  But fuck you man.  Brisket isn't saying anything the rest of us haven't said and the accusation of him supporting Russia is just fucking offensive as all hell.

First, this shakedown of Ukraine was begun months ago.  And we pointed it out as such back when you were stanning for the orange cockgoblin as a force for good.  So you're late to the party pal.

And everything Brisket has said about it is spot on correct.  That fucking guy does suck.  And he's not doing Ukraine any favors here.  It's a mob style squeeze play whereby the US takes what it can from Ukraine and we still don't really know what Ukraine gets out of it but the hope of an opportunity to live another day.  You can't eat hope and you can't fight with it.  Bottom line - it's a shitty way to act towards an ally and no one is surprised because it's coming from a shitty person. 

So yeah, I can see why we want to polish this turd, but it's still a turd.  

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21 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

 And we pointed it out as such back when you were stanning for the orange cockgoblin as a force for good.  So you're late to the party pal.

WTF are you talking about?

Go ahead and find posts where I said Trump was a force for good. 

I bagged on Trump in my very last news post. Perhaps you consider "at least its a move in the right direction" as stanning for Trump.

I think you're confusing me with someone else. 

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

I know you can't change. Being a GRU member means no matter what is produced by US politicians it has to be shit on repeatedly and frequently. Putin would be proud of you and your efforts.

???

Me just caveman, and no get what you are saying here.  I'm being critical of a shift from being supportive of Ukraine as an ally to being only supportive of Ukraine as a transactional entity -- we will only support Ukraine if it gives us all its stuff.

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26 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

WTF are you talking about?

Go ahead and find posts where I said Trump was a force for good. 

I bagged on Trump in my very last news post. Perhaps you consider "at least its a move in the right direction" as stanning for Trump.

I think you're confusing me with someone else. 

Maybe I do have you confused with someone else.  If so, I apologize.   In any case, these are separate from my main points, which still stand:  This isn't some great benefit to Ukraine given by a magnanimous POTUS.   It's also offensive to compare Brisket to GRU for telling the truth:  that this isn't some great benefit to Ukraine given by a magnanimous POTUS.  

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16 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Maybe I do have you confused with someone else.  If so, I apologize.   In any case, these are separate from my main points, which still stand:  This isn't some great benefit to Ukraine given by a magnanimous POTUS.   It's also offensive to compare Brisket to GRU for telling the truth:  that this isn't some great benefit to Ukraine given by a magnanimous POTUS.  

I have no objection to:

This isn't some great benefit to Ukraine given by a magnanimous POTUS. 

or

I'm being critical of a shift from being supportive of Ukraine as an ally to being only supportive of Ukraine as a transactional entity -- we will only support Ukraine if it gives us all its stuff.

or

it's a shitty way to act towards an ally and no one is surprised because it's coming from a shitty person. 

So yeah, I can see why we want to polish this turd, but it's still a turd.  

Mostly because I completely agree.

What I object to is paragraphs of shitting on Trump which is basically a repeat of the same thing from 6 different posters.

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Sure. Fine. That's an easy negotiation. Ukraine is under duress. Promise whatever it takes to get the defense aid necessary to your survival.

 

Then, when the war is over, break your promises (can be done either politely or rudely). The polite way is to hope that you have a new, non-evil US regime to approach and say "hey, it would be economically crippling for us to give all that shit to you, how about you let us out of some key elements of the deal," and have an agreed extrication from the truly burdensome elements. The rude way is just to say "nope, fuck off, we're not letting your interests into the country." Either one works. If we get pissed off and threaten to sanction Ukraine because they aren't sticking with the "deal" we forced them into....who do you think will join us? Nobody.

 

So, sure. Promise the Regime they can build Trumpland amusement parks in every Ukrainian city, and that they'll send tribute of $100 million a month in Trump meme coins as soon as the war is over. Whatever. It's a deal that isn't worth more than the paper it's printed on (and, if it's like the recent deal signed at the G7 summit.....it's literally JUST the paper and signature).

I spoilered above @Brisketexan original post. I underlined items that make the point. The rest is superfluous, cloak room, political shit flinging.

Thats where it crosses from news/discussion/DT to CR/political shit flinging. 

I'm all for expressing objections, but I posted a reputable news only article with almost zero commentary and it devolved into this. 

And no worries on the confusion. I try to keep my political opinions limited here and don't post in CR so I don't stick out as being on either team. That can confuse people on my position.

Edited by BurntEyes

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