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16 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Russian state media is showing American soldiers on their knees for Putin. This was a massive Trump failure and a humiliating day for the United States

Just following the lead of their Commander in Chief who spends plenty of time on his knees for Pooty Poot.

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23 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

That would only happen if the United States fails to support its ally. Which is likely because a bunch of morons support a pedofile for President 

The bigger issue is personnel. Russia is just grinding them down. 

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5 hours ago, B00M said:


Russia will have to collapse, the only question is when.

 

5 hours ago, Parliament said:

This is the way.

 

4 hours ago, Saint Tacky said:

More dead Russians. That's the only means to that end that I can foresee.

 

In before 1800

We do gotta remember the Russians are a tough people.  Dumb, but tough.  Whole lot more of them gotta die before something changes.  Not sure we can get that far.

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On 8/4/2025 at 5:30 PM, Gatorubet said:

it also means that any Russian military patrols have to be on the lookout for bands of armed deserters who might light them up in an ambush if they venture into the wrong areas.  

in World War II, American deserters often wound up working for organized crime in the black market, using their weapons to hijack red ball express trucks for arms and ammunition medicine, etc.      

The people back home in World War II never heard about this, because it was not a good look.   I can only assume that they are doing this exact same thing in Russian controlled Ukrainian territories.  i’m pretty sure that brand new Russian soldiers sent to the meat grinder have very little desire to get in fire fights with experienced combat troops who have deserted with their weapons.

And Ost Battalions and (former) Nazi units from Baltic states, who never were really willing, were terrors on both Germans and Russians on the Eastern Front.

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2 hours ago, Parliament said:

 

 

We do gotta remember the Russians are a tough people.  Dumb, but tough.  Whole lot more of them gotta die before something changes.  Not sure we can get that far.

Their economy isn’t as tough as their people. Keep pressuring India and China. Trump is stumbling over something great there with his “secondary tariffs” or whatever he’s calling them. Russia doesn’t produce fucking anything. Stop the oil exports and it all falls apart. 

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2 hours ago, Hitch said:

The bigger issue is personnel. Russia is just grinding them down. 

It’s not an escalation for NATO troops to go into Ukraine. This shouldn’t be an individual country Russia can threaten. We either stop this in Ukraine and step up NATO’s drone game in the process or we stop it in NATO territory after Russia has finally subjugated Europe’s best military in Ukraine. This isn’t a hard decision. 

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53 minutes ago, B00M said:

Their economy isn’t as tough as their people. Keep pressuring India and China. Trump is stumbling over something great there with his “secondary tariffs” or whatever he’s calling them. Russia doesn’t produce fucking anything. Stop the oil exports and it all falls apart. 

Well and then the economy fails and imposes austerity on the Russian people, who will just shrug and swill some more methanol

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

And Ost Battalions and (former) Nazi units from Baltic states, who never were really willing, were terrors on both Germans and Russians on the Eastern Front.

Vlasov’s Army was an interesting one. But all these folks knew one or the other was going to kill them so they got out in front. 

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9 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well and then the economy fails and imposes austerity on the Russian people, who will just shrug and swill some more methanol

And note that generations of selection pressure has made them immune to methanol.  They pretty much put it in their baby bottles.

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Today Rubio ruled out new sanctions on the morning shows, saying that they would upset the potential peace deal.  I’m increasingly convinced that the two presidents are colluding on negotiations charades and that putting off new sanctions is the point. 

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4 hours ago, Deej said:

That wasn't even enough to get Texas Republicans voted out of office. 

There's a saying I came up with 2 years ago - you can't unfuck your daughter's cute 39 year-old 2nd grade teacher, and you can't uninvade Ukraine.

The difference is that one act was witnessed by 3 employees of the San Antonio Zoo, the other was witnessed by the free world and most Russians.  Of course, historically speaking, invading Ukraine has caused problems for dictators in the long run.

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It’s really fucking embarrassing that an official U.S. negotiator would try to tell the American people that he got Putin to consider passing a law making it illegal for Russia to attack Ukraine. It was illegal the first time under Russian and international law! 

 

 

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The date was Feb. 15, 2000, and Republican presidential hopefuls had gathered for a crucial debate in Columbia, S.C.. Among the topics of discussion was Russia and its newly anointed (but not yet formally elected) leader, Vladimir Putin. Many Western politicians were already hailing the energetic official who spoke fluent German and had worked with a reformist mayor in St. Petersburg — and who would offer a welcome change from the erratic Boris Yeltsin years. The Republican frontrunner, Texas Gov. George W. Bush, was diplomatic, noting only that “the verdict on Mr. Putin is out . . . we don’t know enough about him.” (It would take another year for Bush to “get a sense of [Putin’s] soul” and forge a partnership.)

Bush’s main challenger, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, begged to differ. “We know that he was an apparatchik. We know that he was a member of the KGB. We know that he came to power because of the military brutality . . . in Chechnya,” McCain said. “I’m very concerned about Mr. Putin. I’m afraid Mr. Putin might be one of those who wants to make the trains run on time.”

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12 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I’m afraid Mr. Putin might be one of those who wants to make the trains run on time.”

Not the point but contrary to popular belief Benito did not accomplish it. 

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3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This is a really great lineup for Team Zelenskyy though. Stubb, Rutte, and Meloni are Trump whisperers. 
 

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Not sure I'd wanna get on Ms. Meloni's bad side when she's in the same room as me.

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

Not sure I'd wanna get on Ms. Meloni's bad side when she's in the same room as me.

I think it depends on what happens on her bad side, I bet it's fun.

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

We only need one if it’s good at hitting a moving armored train.

Setting the Kremlin on fire would do wonders for Russian morale. I would be watching Julia Davis’s social media like a hawk foe the official Russian talking heads response.  

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1 hour ago, Foggy Notion said:

 

That's because he's a fucking child with a transactional mentality where everything has a price.

Hell, if Ukraine invited him in to invest in some super secret mineral deposits, he'd be shouting about how Europe won't let Ukraine into NATO and it's time they were allowed into NATO.

Also, shaming the victims in all of this is completely on brand for him.

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7 hours ago, Chopper said:

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No word on the size of the warhead nor even a hint about the quantity produced or in production.

10 each to Moscow and St Pete would be orgasmic. 

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I understand a lot of the tanks and equipment is restored and not brand new but it’s incredible that these multi million dollar machines now depend on a fence or cage to stop drones. Starting to look Mad Max-ish from boxes on top to now what looks like a prison fence on top. What’s next? A giant block of steel? Wait…

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1 hour ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

I understand a lot of the tanks and equipment is restored and not brand new but it’s incredible that these multi million dollar machines now depend on a fence or cage to stop drones. Starting to look Mad Max-ish from boxes on top to now what looks like a prison fence on top. What’s next? A giant block of steel? Wait…

Been going on since the first Sumerian strapped a piece of shale to his horse.  

And I'm gonna guess our top of the line tanks are just as vulnerable.

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It is unrealistic to think that Crimea is going back to Ukraine. Short of a larger invasion force. And if Ukraine can trade Crimea to get their other territories back, that might be a reasonable trade off. Ukraine could probably find a method to receive financial reparations for Crimea at some level.

As for any promise to not join NATO, that is a worthless trade off. Sure I promise not to do something until I think that I can do it without consequences. There is also a gray area of being a NATO member and being a member in spirit only. Ok, we won't be a card carrying member country but we will be a peripheral member who participates in military exercises. Of course, most likely the real agreement will be more than just a one sentence promise.

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It is unrealistic to think that Crimea is going back to Ukraine. Short of a larger invasion force. And if Ukraine can trade Crimea to get their other territories back, that might be a reasonable trade off. Ukraine could probably find a method to receive financial reparations for Crimea at some level.

As for any promise to not join NATO, that is a worthless trade off. Sure I promise not to do something until I think that I can do it without consequences. There is also a gray area of being a NATO member and being a member in spirit only. Ok, we won't be a card carrying member country but we will be a peripheral member who participates in military exercises. Of course, most likely the real agreement will be more than just a one sentence promise.

I won't join NATO.

I'll just sign a separate treaty with every NATO nation (except the US, which is now an ally of Russia) where each of those countries says "yeah, all of the mutual promises we all make as members of NATO?  We're making them with you as well."  That's how you do it.

Of course, the group in DC today need to apply some subtle pressure implying that Putin is emasculating Trump, and Trump isn't man enough to make a US security guarantee for Ukraine going forward.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

I won't join NATO.

I'll just sign a separate treaty with every NATO nation (except the US, which is now an ally of Russia) where each of those countries says "yeah, all of the mutual promises we all make as members of NATO?  We're making them with you as well."  That's how you do it.

Of course, the group in DC today need to apply some subtle pressure implying that Putin is emasculating Trump, and Trump isn't man enough to make a US security guarantee for Ukraine going forward.

The best part is that Trump frequently caves to the most recent people who speak to him. He walks out of a meeting with Putin and mimics Russian talking points. There is a fair chance that the European leaders today can easily manipulate Trump into their viewpoint. But you definitely cannot fight against Trump. You need to show him how he's the smartest guy in the world, and its inconceivable that he hasn't won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts.

I don't believe for a second that all of these leaders dont' have psychologists on their payroll telling them how to deal with Trump.

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11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You need to show him how he's the smartest guy in the world, and its inconceivable that he hasn't won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts.

This.  A shorthand pitch of "yes, if you do this, it will be a true stroke of genius, there's no way you won't win a NPP if you do that" has about a 98% chance of swaying him.

12 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don't believe for a second that all of these leaders dont' have psychologists on their payroll telling them how to deal with Trump.

They absolutely do.  Frankly, if any of them do NOT, it's professional negligence on their part.  Not using a professional to give you the script for manipulating a transparent narcissist would be as dumb as trying to land a plane without reviewing the manual for the landing sequence.  It's right there, in step-by-step order.

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