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7 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Doesn't seem like flyover country is embracing EV's much.

A listing of cities by absolute number of registered EVs is going to disfavor flyover country, which doesn't have a lot of people or big cities.  Actually, I just read the article. It says: "we set out to investigate which places are best suited to cater to the EV mindset and started by considering the most populous 100 metros." That's going to exclude the vast majority of flyover country from the list entirely. Also, the article is a year and half old and almost certainly based on even older data. 

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I've been on and off about buying a Tesla since right before the pandemic. One of my motivating factors was the amount I had to drive, but now I'm fully remote. The tax incentive back on the table has me considering a 3 or Y. I have several friends with 3s and one with a Y and they love the vehicles.

One question I have, pertaining to a youtube video I watched, is the true range you get from the vehicle. This guy was saying his 3 always fell well short of the range indicated by the vehicle. I.e. it said he had 120 mile charge left but he could get 70, etc. Does the range indicator hold true? Also, he lived in a cold environment (I'm in Texas so not a huge concern) and said that just zapped his range. Any thoughts are appreciated, I'll hang up and listen. 

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1 hour ago, LW Goatman said:

I've been on and off about buying a Tesla since right before the pandemic. One of my motivating factors was the amount I had to drive, but now I'm fully remote. The tax incentive back on the table has me considering a 3 or Y. I have several friends with 3s and one with a Y and they love the vehicles.

One question I have, pertaining to a youtube video I watched, is the true range you get from the vehicle. This guy was saying his 3 always fell well short of the range indicated by the vehicle. I.e. it said he had 120 mile charge left but he could get 70, etc. Does the range indicator hold true? Also, he lived in a cold environment (I'm in Texas so not a huge concern) and said that just zapped his range. Any thoughts are appreciated, I'll hang up and listen. 

I find the range indicator pretty accurate for a single trip. Multiple trips over a single charge will net out less range than the initial projection largely due to the very small battery drain while sitting AND the additional battery drain that occurs at each startup. You'll get decreased range when running the heater (and to a lesser extent, the air conditioner). But that decrease will pretty quickly get reflected in the indicator. You'll get more of a decrease if doing multiple short trips (due to extra energy when the heater is first starting) versus one long trip. Newer Model 3s/Model Ys have replaced the electric resistance heater with a heat pump. This has substantially decreased the range hit when running the heater for external temperatures above freezing. Once you get significantly below freezing, the heat pump's efficiency drops, although it should always be at or above the resistance heater's efficiency.  

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1 hour ago, LW Goatman said:

One question I have, pertaining to a youtube video I watched, is the true range you get from the vehicle. This guy was saying his 3 always fell well short of the range indicated by the vehicle. I.e. it said he had 120 mile charge left but he could get 70, etc. Does the range indicator hold true?

Short answer is that the range indicator is over-optimistic. 

People will say that all vehicles underperform their rated efficiency, but I’ll say that in my experience some are better than others. 

Longer answer is that electric cars are is more speed-sensitive than others. Combustion cars have high overhead losses, their peak efficiency is around 55mph, with slower tapering losses.  Electric cars have peak efficiency at around 40-45mph, with steeper losses as a function of speed. Changing your highway speed has a larger effect on the realized range. 

The practical answer is that if you have access to home charging,  it doesnt matter. 99% of your trips will be fully covered by the starting range available to you each morning. 

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50 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

The practical answer is that if you have access to home charging,  it doesnt matter. 99% of your trips will be fully covered by the starting range available to you each morning. 

This.  And if you are on a road trip, it adjusts on the drive.  Ideally, you wouldn't be planning to go all the way to 0 before you got to a charging station anyway.  Range anxiety really isn't a thing once you start driving every day.  

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https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-owners-china-protest-against-surprise-price-cuts-they-missed-2023-01-07/

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SHANGHAI, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Hundreds of Tesla (TSLA.O) owners gathered at the automaker's showrooms and distribution centres in China over the weekend, demanding rebates and credit after sudden price cuts they said meant they had overpaid for electric cars they bought earlier.

On Saturday, about 200 recent buyers of the Tesla Model Y and Model 3 gathered at a Tesla delivery centre in Shanghai to protest against the U.S. carmaker's decision to slash prices for the second time in three months on Friday.

Many said they had believed that prices Tesla charged for its cars late last year would not be cut as abruptly or as deeply as the automaker just announced in a move to spur sales and support production at its Shanghai plant. The scheduled expiration of a government subsidy at the end of 2022 also drove many to finalize their purchases.

Lulz, someone played a trick.  And rebates?

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2 hours ago, hornian said:

Tesla just lowered prices on all its models in the US as well:

Probably to meet the new tax incentives. Nice for new buyers, but anyone who took delivery in the last few months got hosed. 

Wow, the performance 3 is now basically the old cost of the long range. And I see Tesla doesn't currently offer the long range model as an option. And seeing the Y at essentially the same price as the 3 is pretty shocking. I can't think of the last time an SUV was priced similarly to a similarly styled/optioned sedan. 

Still love my car even though Elon is crazy. 

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3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Wow, the performance 3 is now basically the old cost of the long range. And I see Tesla doesn't currently offer the long range model as an option. And seeing the Y at essentially the same price as the 3 is pretty shocking. I can't think of the last time an SUV was priced similarly to a similarly styled/optioned sedan. 

Still love my car even though Elon is crazy. 

What is the range of the performance?  Weird that long range isn’t an option. 

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10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

What is the range of the performance?  Weird that long range isn’t an option. 

EPA puts the newer models at 315 miles. That's about the same as when the long range originally came out. I believe the newer long range models are rated closer to 350 miles. The difference is basically entirely driven by the wheels/tires (18 inch vs 20 inch for performance).

I'm assuming, given the price drop for the performance, that Tesla is simplifying production by focusing on the Performance and Rear-Wheel drive models for now. And it's hard to see where the long range would slot pricewise between the two of them. 

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They stopped taking orders for the 3 Long Range a while back because the orders were backlogged so far.

I need a new car in a year or so and would love it to be an EV.  I drive to Houston and back once a week and I’d like to be able to do it with minimal charging.  I’d also like to spend less than 60k or so because I’m just not a big car guy and I have other priorities for my money than cars.  Kia EV6 has solid reviews but doesn’t have the range of the Tesla 3LR. The Ioniq also has good reviews but is a ugly as bowling shoes.  The 3LR seems to fit the bill perfectly except I’d have to give my money to that crazy fucker and that’s not real appealing to me.  

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7 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

They stopped taking orders for the 3 Long Range a while back because the orders were backlogged so far.

I need a new car in a year or so and would love it to be an EV.  I drive to Houston and back once a week and I’d like to be able to do it with minimal charging.  I’d also like to spend less than 60k or so because I’m just not a big car guy and I have other priorities for my money than cars.  Kia EV6 has solid reviews but doesn’t have the range of the Tesla 3LR. The Ioniq also has good reviews but is an ugly as bowling shoes.  The 3LR seems to fit the bill perfectly except I’d have to give my money to that crazy fucker and that’s not real appealing to me.  

The supercharging network is the only feasible way to do that drive in a fairly quick way right now. If that’s your main usage, you should be looking at Tesla. 

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

The supercharging network is the only feasible way to do that drive in a fairly quick way right now. If that’s your main usage, you should be looking at Tesla. 

I'm not giving a dime to a company owned by Elon.

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The Ioniq also has good reviews but is a ugly as bowling shoes.  The 3LR seems to fit the bill perfectly except I’d have to give my money to that crazy fucker and that’s not real appealing to me.  


Wait. The Ioniq is ugly but the 3, that looks like a Logitech mouse with wheels, isn’t?
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55 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

 


Wait. The Ioniq is ugly but the 3, that looks like a Logitech mouse with wheels, isn’t?

 

Not to me.  It looks like an average dime-a-dozen sedan to me.  I don’t find it particularly attractive or ugly, just basic.   

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1 hour ago, Your Mom said:

Not to me.  It looks like an average dime-a-dozen sedan to me.  I don’t find it particularly attractive or ugly, just basic.   

Agree with this. Teslas are not attractive vehicles and the designs are not aging well. The interior of the 3 is downright sterile.

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