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In season 1 do they ever hint at Wee Bey's family? I remember him running choo choo on the chick that OD'd and picking D up to feed his fish in his apartment.

I guess a hitter like Bey would probably have his own little side place to get away from Yolanda but I wonder if they just liked the actor and Namond's dad was originally supposed to Bird or Stink or another less charismatic Barksdale lifer

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I’m rewatching and I forgot how amazing season 2 is! Ziggy gets annoying but Frank and Nicky truly play amazing parts! And I’m still sticking to an unfavorable opinion that Omar is just flat out overrated, albeit he’s an amazing actor himself. 

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1 minute ago, hundredTT said:

I’m rewatching and I forgot how amazing season 2 is! Ziggy gets annoying but Frank and Nicky truly play amazing parts! And I’m still sticking to an unfavorable opinion that Omar is just flat out overrated, albeit he’s an amazing actor himself. 

Season 2 is just fantastic all around.  Just such a switch from Season 1.

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I'm on to season 4 in the latest rewatch.

I was in my twenties when I first watched this and thought that Stringer was super smart. And, he's not a moron, but with a bit more seasoning it's interesting watching again and realizing how much fo a dipshit he still is (how self satisfied he is with his assessment of cell phone market saturation, his stupid roberts rules of order, him just taking Clay Davis' bait every time. And every single misstep he makes sealing his fate because he thinks he's the smartest motherfucker around. He would have been fucked anyways - i missed it before, but there's a phone call right at the end of season three that indicates he contracted some hitters (to hit Clay Davis). There's no way that whatever plan he had would have stood up to the scrutiny that would have come down with a hit on a politician. Avon was the smarter one out of the two of them, and he was a trillion percent correct with his assessment of Stringer being not hard enough for this right here and not smart enough for that out there.

Another cool thing I've noticed a few times that I missed in previous viewings is the trick they'll do with the sound editing where you'll here some background noise and it will continue into the next scene at a different location. In season 2, they throw the guns that land on the boat, the boat's horn blows, and then it cuts to the Greek in the diner and the horn is blowing farther off in the background. Same at the end of episode 1 or 2 of season 4 when Carcetti is drunk on the park bench being told to move it along by a cop, and there's a police siren far off in the background, and then you're with Randy sitting on his stoop and the same siren is still going, much closer.

 

On 7/12/2025 at 3:23 AM, cmontexas said:

In season 1 do they ever hint at Wee Bey's family? I remember him running choo choo on the chick that OD'd and picking D up to feed his fish in his apartment.

I guess a hitter like Bey would probably have his own little side place to get away from Yolanda but I wonder if they just liked the actor and Namond's dad was originally supposed to Bird or Stink or another less charismatic Barksdale lifer

 

I always took it as Wee Bey is a free agent but he recognizes Namond as his child and at the very least, he takes care of his baby mama and Namond and perhaps even as a member of the family in a sometimes conventional way. While also having his own crib and drug-fucking shorties to death and etc.

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18 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

I'm on to season 4 in the latest rewatch.

I was in my twenties when I first watched this and thought that Stringer was super smart. And, he's not a moron, but with a bit more seasoning it's interesting watching again and realizing how much fo a dipshit he still is (how self satisfied he is with his assessment of cell phone market saturation, his stupid roberts rules of order, him just taking Clay Davis' bait every time. And every single misstep he makes sealing his fate because he thinks he's the smartest motherfucker around. He would have been fucked anyways - i missed it before, but there's a phone call right at the end of season three that indicates he contracted some hitters (to hit Clay Davis). There's no way that whatever plan he had would have stood up to the scrutiny that would have come down with a hit on a politician. Avon was the smarter one out of the two of them, and he was a trillion percent correct with his assessment of Stringer being not hard enough for this right here and not smart enough for that out there.

Another cool thing I've noticed a few times that I missed in previous viewings is the trick they'll do with the sound editing where you'll here some background noise and it will continue into the next scene at a different location. In season 2, they throw the guns that land on the boat, the boat's horn blows, and then it cuts to the Greek in the diner and the horn is blowing farther off in the background. Same at the end of episode 1 or 2 of season 4 when Carcetti is drunk on the park bench being told to move it along by a cop, and there's a police siren far off in the background, and then you're with Randy sitting on his stoop and the same siren is still going, much closer.

 

 

I always took it as Wee Bey is a free agent but he recognizes Namond as his child and at the very least, he takes care of his baby mama and Namond and perhaps even as a member of the family in a sometimes conventional way. While also having his own crib and drug-fucking shorties to death and etc.

That’s my reading on Wee Bay’s “family“ dynamic as well. The scene where Wee Bay tells De’Londa to let Namond go remains one of the best in the series.

Question for the thread, why does De‘Londa need Namond grinding on the corners? Couldn’t she become a hustler herself and wholesale packages? 

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That’s my reading on Wee Bay’s “family“ dynamic as well. The scene where Wee Bay tells De’Londa to let Namond go remains one of the best in the series.
Question for the thread, why does De‘Londa need Namond grinding on the corners? Couldn’t she become a hustler herself and wholesale packages? 

Bc she’s a lazy pos and a terrible human
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On 7/13/2025 at 12:47 PM, Celery Man said:

I'm on to season 4 in the latest rewatch.

I was in my twenties when I first watched this and thought that Stringer was super smart. And, he's not a moron, but with a bit more seasoning it's interesting watching again and realizing how much fo a dipshit he still is (how self satisfied he is with his assessment of cell phone market saturation, his stupid roberts rules of order, him just taking Clay Davis' bait every time. And every single misstep he makes sealing his fate because he thinks he's the smartest motherfucker around. He would have been fucked anyways - i missed it before, but there's a phone call right at the end of season three that indicates he contracted some hitters (to hit Clay Davis). There's no way that whatever plan he had would have stood up to the scrutiny that would have come down with a hit on a politician. Avon was the smarter one out of the two of them, and he was a trillion percent correct with his assessment of Stringer being not hard enough for this right here and not smart enough for that out there.

 

Stringer was a tragic character.  Very intelligent and saw new ways, legit ways to make the business better and even get out.  Rebranding the crack, printing business.  Real estate.

He failed because he didn't know the ways of politics and just applied the only rules he knew.  He trusted Avon and never though he'd turn on him.

Avon is the idiot.  Stringer had the rebranding and the coop.  It was the right play and Avon wanted nothing of it.

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4 hours ago, Parliament said:

Stringer was a tragic character.  Very intelligent and saw new ways, legit ways to make the business better and even get out.  Rebranding the crack, printing business.  Real estate.

He failed because he didn't know the ways of politics and just applied the only rules he knew.  He trusted Avon and never though he'd turn on him.

Avon is the idiot.  Stringer had the rebranding and the coop.  It was the right play and Avon wanted nothing of it.

That's what my read used to be, and I'm still now convinced that it is wrong. Your second sentence is certainly how he sees himself, but he's not really doing anything new there -he has a front, he's trying to get away from the street and be a wholesaler, get into the real estate game. There are other players who did that successfully that are referred to by the other characters - I think Butchie has a few lines about a major player from way back when whose name you've never heard of who did that.

Stringer didn't even really succeed with rebranding his weak product and he didn't come up with the coop - that was Joe. Joe was the real brains, and the real leader of the coop. And Stringer didn't fail because he was applying the street rules to the politics - he died because he stopped abiding the street rules. Even trying to hit Clay Davis, which would have caused his fall, wasn't an application of street rules. It was him once again falling prey to his ego and trying to go after someone uninvolved in the game because his pride got hurt.

Avon turned on Stringer, but Stringer was already going to get got, and deservedly. It wouldn't have served Avon at all to protect Stringer, and by the rules of the game he had it coming anyways. Avon could see that Stringer was way out of pocket all over the place and couldn't protect him, couldn't keep him from fucking up.

Avon is actually the one who might have held on for longer if he hadn't been betrayed by Stringer - Marlo was more fierce and more cunning than Avon, but Avon still had more muscle and he had a location on Marlo. If they had managed to hit Marlo at the rim shop that night, that would have been it for Marlo. But Stringer took down the whole fucking organization.

And in the end, even smart businessman Joe doesn't win against ruthless soldier Marlo. And Marlo will eventually lose the crown, and it'll be some newer fiercer quicker Marlo that catches him slipping.

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On 7/13/2025 at 12:47 PM, Celery Man said:

I'm on to season 4 in the latest rewatch.

I was in my twenties when I first watched this and thought that Stringer was super smart. And, he's not a moron, but with a bit more seasoning it's interesting watching again and realizing how much fo a dipshit he still is (how self satisfied he is with his assessment of cell phone market saturation, his stupid roberts rules of order, him just taking Clay Davis' bait every time. And every single misstep he makes sealing his fate because he thinks he's the smartest motherfucker around. He would have been fucked anyways - i missed it before, but there's a phone call right at the end of season three that indicates he contracted some hitters (to hit Clay Davis). There's no way that whatever plan he had would have stood up to the scrutiny that would have come down with a hit on a politician. Avon was the smarter one out of the two of them, and he was a trillion percent correct with his assessment of Stringer being not hard enough for this right here and not smart enough for that out there.

Another cool thing I've noticed a few times that I missed in previous viewings is the trick they'll do with the sound editing where you'll here some background noise and it will continue into the next scene at a different location. In season 2, they throw the guns that land on the boat, the boat's horn blows, and then it cuts to the Greek in the diner and the horn is blowing farther off in the background. Same at the end of episode 1 or 2 of season 4 when Carcetti is drunk on the park bench being told to move it along by a cop, and there's a police siren far off in the background, and then you're with Randy sitting on his stoop and the same siren is still going, much closer.

 

 

I always took it as Wee Bey is a free agent but he recognizes Namond as his child and at the very least, he takes care of his baby mama and Namond and perhaps even as a member of the family in a sometimes conventional way. While also having his own crib and drug-fucking shorties to death and etc.

 

Every single thing you needed to know about Stringer, his vision, it's potential success, and his fate lies within the first scene of season 3.

 

Even POOT of all people tells him he and his plan is stupid, and the most accurately as well.

Stringer responds by breaking his own rules and not letting him speak. 

 

He was smart, relatively, but like we saw in later shows like Ned in GoT, he was a total fucking dumb ass and completely misjudged the world and systems in which he lived and was powerless to change. 

 

I feel like every re watch i find him dumber and dumber, which is prob by design. 

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38 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

That's what my read used to be, and I'm still now convinced that it is wrong. Your second sentence is certainly how he sees himself, but he's not really doing anything new there -he has a front, he's trying to get away from the street and be a wholesaler, get into the real estate game. There are other players who did that successfully that are referred to by the other characters - I think Butchie has a few lines about a major player from way back when whose name you've never heard of who did that.

Stringer didn't even really succeed with rebranding his weak product and he didn't come up with the coop - that was Joe. Joe was the real brains, and the real leader of the coop. And Stringer didn't fail because he was applying the street rules to the politics - he died because he stopped abiding the street rules. Even trying to hit Clay Davis, which would have caused his fall, wasn't an application of street rules. It was him once again falling prey to his ego and trying to go after someone uninvolved in the game because his pride got hurt.

Avon turned on Stringer, but Stringer was already going to get got, and deservedly. It wouldn't have served Avon at all to protect Stringer, and by the rules of the game he had it coming anyways. Avon could see that Stringer was way out of pocket all over the place and couldn't protect him, couldn't keep him from fucking up.

Avon is actually the one who might have held on for longer if he hadn't been betrayed by Stringer - Marlo was more fierce and more cunning than Avon, but Avon still had more muscle and he had a location on Marlo. If they had managed to hit Marlo at the rim shop that night, that would have been it for Marlo. But Stringer took down the whole fucking organization.

And in the end, even smart businessman Joe doesn't win against ruthless soldier Marlo. And Marlo will eventually lose the crown, and it'll be some newer fiercer quicker Marlo that catches him slipping.

I somewhat agree, but I think Marlo is meant to be an inevitable.   The Greek expresses this sentiment. 

Avon could have won but some ruthless Marlo figure would have still eventually won, albeit temporarily, burnt out, then the power vacuum gets filled rinse, repeat.

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Marlo is Avon from 10 years prior.  That’s one of the major themes of the series. There’s always another one coming up in all of the walks of life. That point is explicitly visualized in the finale when McNulty stops on the side of freeway.

it’s all in the game 

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