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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Whether you love or hate Trump, it's hard to fully comprehend this story without more details. A President could be lying to another foreign leader about a deal, or the President could be making an illegal deal. Or the whistleblower themselves doesn't understand enough to comprehend.  We don't know without context and understanding how it plays out.

Now if a President asks for a bribe or other personal benefit, it isn't so gray anymore.

 

It’s always good to wait and see what the facts are.

Check out this article by Robert Litt, general counsel of the DNI under Obama.  It’s a couple days old, but he addresses the recent happenings at the end of the article.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-intelligence-community-whistleblower-complaint

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1 hour ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

It just goes to show that they are stupid and/or liars.  Stricter abortion laws don't have a big impact on decreasing abortions.  They just make they less safe and more expensive.  Access to healthcare, access to contraceptives, and legitimate sex education (not abstinence only) significantly decrease the rate of abortions.  But those are three things evangelicals don't support.  

One of my family members is a huge pro-lifer and used to go around to schools teaching abstinence-only bullshit. Her daughter got knocked up in high school. Oops!

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59 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Technically not treason since we are not in a declared state of war with Russia.

18 U.S. Code § 2381.Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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How many people typically listen in on the President's calls with foreign officials? We talking 5 or 25? 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

How many people typically listen in on the President's calls with foreign officials? We talking 5 or 25? 

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10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I don't think that's true.

18 U.S. Code § 2381.Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

How is enemy defined?  Russia is openly engaged in cyber warfare against us, and actively attempts to damage our interests throughout the globe. We do some of the same to them. Is a declaration of war required to be our enemy?

I would think that each act would have to be analyzed on its own.  When interests align, it's okay. When they don't, it isn't. 

If you ask me, I'd call it treason when a nation is engaged in cyber attacks against the US election system and an elected or appointed US official tries to squash any attempt to investigate or stop those attacks.  The GOP calls that good bull. 

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It doesn't matter.  Say it fits the legal definition of treason.  Who's going to prosecute?  The Trump/Barr DOJ?  Who's even going to start impeachment proceedings?  I'm fully out on the ledge.  Nothing matters anymore.  Trump will get away with this and be reelected, even if he promised to nuke California in return for getting naming rights to a hotel in Pyongyang.

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2 hours ago, Post Oak said:

I spent a lot of time thinking about this, unfortunately.

You have to have so little self-respect that you are ok being lied to over and over.  You have to be ok with being told what to do.  You have to have an Abbottian spine  and be perfectly fine with someone bullying disabled people or a gold star family.  You have to believe that owning a gun makes you more of a patriot than someone who is expressing their freedom of speech.  You wear an american flag shirt to prove you are a love it or leave it 'murican but would rather be a russian than a democrat.   You have absolutely no care whatsoever for the environment.  However you do get mad when he hurts "the wrong people".  You would rather lose your family farm than vote for someone with a D next to their name.  You easily confuse contradiction for persecution.  You have to have the foresight of a mayfly.  You have to have hate in your heart and marbles in your head. 

This is pretty spot on.  And when considered within the larger context of the fact that Trump has 99-100% approval and support of Republicans, or close to half the country, it really is quite the sad and depressing expose on where we are as a whole.    Think about it - almost half of the people you deal with on any given day, on average, are complete and utter POS’s who think that Trump is doing a “great job.” 

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46 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Oh they’re troubled by the violation of the law huh? THEN FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

Totally agree, but user name does not check out.

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Yeah, the argument as to whether such an offense would constitute treason is pointless, because Trump would never be prosecuted by the Barr DOJ.  

We call this an "authoritarian state".  That's where we are.

 

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12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

We call this an "authoritarian state".  That's where we are

Been there since Comey was fired.  He was the first real whistleblower and no one gave a fuck. 

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Whether you love or hate Trump, it's hard to fully comprehend this story without more details. A President could be lying to another foreign leader about a deal, or the President could be making an illegal deal. Or the whistleblower themselves doesn't understand enough to comprehend.  We don't know without context and understanding how it plays out.

Now if a President asks for a bribe or other personal benefit, it isn't so gray anymore.

 

 

That is exactly what he did. He asked Putin for help with the election. He promised normalization of relations, lifting of sanctions on the oligarchs, whatever. Obvious answer is obvious.

 

Who wants to bet their internet rep?

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So Trump's henchmen have allegedly pressured the Ukraine into re-opening an investigation into the Democratic front runner for President, along with his son?  Would that be collusion with a foreign entity to influence a US election?  (Still asking for me.)

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

So Trump's henchmen have allegedly pressured the Ukraine into re-opening an investigation into the Democratic front runner for President, along with his son?  Would that be collusion with a foreign entity to influence a US election?  (Still asking for me.)

Nope, just good ol fashioned opposition research - AG Barr

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So Trump's henchmen have allegedly pressured the Ukraine...

We just say Ukraine. 

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2 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Please tell me the whistleblower has a recording. 

Lordy, I hope there are tapes.

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5 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Please tell me the whistleblower has a recording. 

And an actual whistle!

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Oh.  Some of y'all are still operating under the mistaken belief that we still have the Rule of Law in this country.

How adorable.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Oh.  Some of y'all are still operating under the mistaken belief that we still have the Rule of Law in this country.

How adorable.

We still want to know about the crimes! 

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Phil Mudd was on CNN last night about to blow a gasket over this.... because, how dare someone listen in on the President's phone calls! "He can say whatever he wants!". It was a bizarre reaction. He of course later admitted that he had no idea what was being whistleblown, if that's a word. 

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Since it appears the Dems are pinning all their hopes on the public to vote him out in 2020, what happens when he wins?  Do they rush to impeach THEN?  And who will give a fuck?

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Since it appears the Dems are pinning all their hopes on the public to vote him out in 2020, what happens when he wins?  Do they rush to impeach THEN?  And who will give a fuck?

I won't. I won't even support it. What a fucking bullshit coward move that would be 

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4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Phil Mudd was on CNN last night about to blow a gasket over this.... because, how dare someone listen in on the President's phone calls! "He can say whatever he wants!". It was a bizarre reaction. He of course later admitted that he had no idea what was being whistleblown, if that's a word. 

The first part is literally every post on texags about this subject 

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18 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

I won't. I won't even support it. What a fucking bullshit coward move that would be 

Which is why I fully expect it to happen.

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I spent a lot of time thinking about this, unfortunately.
You have to have so little self-respect that you are ok being lied to over and over.  You have to be ok with being told what to do.  You have to have an Abbottian spine  and be perfectly fine with someone bullying disabled people or a gold star family.  You have to believe that owning a gun makes you more of a patriot than someone who is expressing their freedom of speech.  You wear an american flag shirt to prove you are a love it or leave it 'murican but would rather be a russian than a democrat.   You have absolutely no care whatsoever for the environment.  However you do get mad when he hurts "the wrong people".  You would rather lose your family farm than vote for someone with a D next to their name.  You easily confuse contradiction for persecution.  You have to have the foresight of a mayfly.  You have to have hate in your heart and marbles in your head. 


Every single thing you listed has been spun by Fox and other conservstives to muddy the water enough to keep these people believing in Trump.

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I was told Barack Obama was the most divisive president in history.


That tactic by the propagandists on the right worked really well, but by now people should have figure out it was propaganda. And yet they haven’t. Morons.

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How many people typically listen in on the President's calls with foreign officials? We talking 5 or 25? 

All calls with foreigners are recorded by intelligence agencies.

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2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:


All calls with foreigners are recorded by intelligence agencies.

#iphone #emails

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12 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

As i said in the Trump thread. How is this not blatant obstruction of justice. Ah well, nevertheless. 

They need to impeach Barr over this.   But nothing matters anymore and they won't.

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4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Whether you love or hate Trump, it's hard to fully comprehend this story without more details. A President could be lying to another foreign leader about a deal, or the President could be making an illegal deal. Or the whistleblower themselves doesn't understand enough to comprehend.  We don't know without context and understanding how it plays out.

Now if a President asks for a bribe or other personal benefit, it isn't so gray anymore.

 

The part where the big shot at DNI is covering everything up is a tell.

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The fact they are blocking the most senior congressmen from even learning about the subject of the report is pretty damning. Just like the tax returns, this must be a big disqualifying deal

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56 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:


All calls with foreigners are recorded by intelligence agencies.

If not, we can just ask Israel for their copy

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