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On 8/24/2020 at 10:25 PM, CooterBrown said:


For Those About to Rock is up there too. Vastly underrated.

It’s also the soundtrack for Maximum Overdrive, one of the best movies ever.

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2 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

Setting aside my personal distaste for Courtney Love, this album kicks ass. 

This.  You can think Courtney Love is trash and still like the album.  Every song on it rages. 

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On 9/13/2020 at 2:46 PM, Bateshorn said:

This.  You can think Courtney Love is trash and still like the album.  Every song on it rages. 

Some of Cobain's best work

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1 hour ago, alincoln said:

Some of Cobain's best work

Yep, that was a great album that Kurt didn’t write for her, and their follow-up album that Billy Corgan didn’t write for her is pretty solid too...

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The lyrics are pretty clearly her’s on both albums.  I doubt Kurt Cobain was writing songs about rape and body image issues. 
 

But, yeah, you can hear both of them in the arrangements. And Malibu for sure is definitely a joint, and I believe credited as such now. Having said that, the myth that the band didn’t write the bulk of the lyrics and Billy Corgan and Kurt Cobain, two musicians notorious for refusing to share writing credits simply gave away a full album of work each is, well, stupid.

 

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On 9/2/2020 at 6:18 PM, Lobo said:

^ztejas
Great pick.  Goes back to my rant on "Physical Graffiti."  Just comes down to volume.  You can take the best 10 tracks on either album and have one of the all-time great rock LP's of all time.  As it stands, they are single-issue, full release albums and you must take them as they are.  As such, "Exile" is not a wondrous and straight-thru record, it's just not.  But take the top 10 songs on it, and it creeps into legend status, cementing itself among the all-time greats.  Thus, the risk of the double-album.  But bands did those for a reason back then.  I doubt we'll ever see one again.  Exile is still a great record, just a few weak points.  I stand by "Let if Bleed" for straight on 'til morning.  

I guess, we should get around to debating which "Who" record is best on thru?  

Shoot up some smack, put headphones on, listen to Exile. Get back to me. 

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Workingman's Dead
Loaded
Rubber Soul
Highway 61 Revisited
Apostrophe
Electric Warrior
The Slider
Doolittle

I love T-Rex and Flo and Eddie - but recently played both straight thru and there are some holes that really show up over time.

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1 hour ago, Deej said:

Shoot up some smack, put headphones on, listen to Exile. Get back to me. 

Yeah, well, everything sounds pretty great when you do that. 

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On 9/13/2020 at 1:46 PM, Bateshorn said:

This.  You can think Courtney Love is trash and still like the album.  Every song on it rages. 

I don't think it ages well. It's also extremely derivative. Then again, I don't think Nirvana ages particularly well. 

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8 hours ago, ztejas said:

I don't think it ages well. It's also extremely derivative. Then again, I don't think Nirvana ages particularly well. 

Well, you could argue that Nirvana was extremely derivative of the Pixies, so imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery.   I think Live Trough This has aged the best of all the grunge era albums, but YMMV.

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10 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

The lyrics are pretty clearly her’s on both albums.  I doubt Kurt Cobain was writing songs about rape and body image issues. 
 

But, yeah, you can hear both of them in the arrangements. And Malibu for sure is definitely a joint, and I believe credited as such now. Having said that, the myth that the band didn’t write the bulk of the lyrics and Billy Corgan and Kurt Cobain, two musicians notorious for refusing to share writing credits simply gave away a full album of work each is, well, stupid.

 

 

 

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Wait, Kurt Cobain wrote dark music?  I stand corrected.

The difference in the lyrics of Nirvana and Hole is so stark that it's sort of hard for me to believe some of you have actually listened to Live Through This and instead have taken "durrrr....Courtney killed Kurt!!!"  as a default position.

Asking for it is one of the songs with a Cobain singing credit, despite the fact the lyrics had been showing up in various forms of Hole shows as early as 1991, and the producers during the session have gone on the record saying Cobain was totally unfamiliar with the lyrics during the sole recording session and had to be coached.

Quote
Every time that I sell myself to you
I feel a little bit cheaper than I need to
I will tear the petals off of you
Rose red, I will make you tell the truth
Was she asking for it?
Was she asking nice?
If she was asking for it
Did she ask you twice?
Every time that I stare into the sun
Angel dust and my dress just comes undone
Every time that I stare into the sun
Be a model or just look like one
Wild eye rot gut do me in
Do you think you can make me do it again?
Was she asking for it?
Was she asking nice?
If she was asking for it
Did she ask you twice?
If you live through this with me
I swear that I would die for

This is such a tiresome debate:  Cobain couldn't bear to share writing credits with his own fucking band, and yet he just wrote an album for his wife's band, and didn't even ask for a joint credit? Give me a break.

Which one of you is going to go over to PCL and start a "Truman Capote wrote To Kill A Mockingbird" thread?

Again:  You can acknowledge the greatness of Live Through This while also accepting that Courtney Love couldn't arrange herself out of a wet paper sack (and is also total mess of a human being). The two (three) things can be true.

 

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27 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm not a Hole songwriting truther, I'm just saying there's plenty of overlap in themes.  

I’m not saying Hole isn’t heavily influenced by the men in Courtney Love’s life or her producers (Kim Gordon’s hands are all over their first album). I’m just saying the “Kurt wrote Live Through This” is bullshit.  It’s also possible that Courtney was influencing Kurt’s song writing.  
 

There is a long history of female artists of all varieties being discounted because supposedly a man behind the scenes was the real creative genius.  
 

Also, Polly is about a serial killer.

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11 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I’m not saying Hole isn’t heavily influenced by the men in Courtney Love’s life or her producers (Kim Gordon’s hands are all over their first album). I’m just saying the “Kurt wrote Live Through This” is bullshit.  It’s also possible that Courtney was influencing Kurt’s song writing.  
 

There is a long history of female artists of all varieties being discounted because supposedly a man behind the scenes was the real creative genius.  
 

Also, Polly is about a serial killer.

I figured the killer is also raping his kidnapped victim

"Polly wants a cracker, I think I should get off her first"

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5 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I figured the killer is also raping his kidnapped victim

"Polly wants a cracker, I think I should get off her first"

Look, we’re thread shitting at this point. I’ll just say I found the Polly analogy weak, given the personal nature of Hole’s discography about misogyny and sexual violence.
 

I would urge some folks on this thread to give Live Through This another look. 

I’m out. 

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On 9/14/2020 at 10:53 PM, Deej said:

Shoot up some smack, put headphones on, listen to Exile. Get back to me. 

Yeah even Dirty Work sounds great under these circumstances...

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