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17 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Firing Herman would send a horrible message as a university, which cries poverty at the same time the school has announced furloughs and layoffs. Then again, football is king.

Texas football fans and Texas employees expect Herman to get fired. So, to whom is it sending a horrible message? Politicians and non-UT football fans? IDGAF

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he allegedly stole money from the Cole Pittman memorial golf tournament and someone posted on shaggy about it. He sent me an email saying take it down or else, and oh by the way, I cc'd my lawyer

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5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Depends upon whether he can recruit effectively.  

Given the absolute cluster fuck the portal is about to be with players getting a free transfer, I do not want a current NFL coach. We need someone that's proven he can recruit 18 year olds, not game plan in the NFL.

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16 minutes ago, B00M said:

Given the absolute cluster fuck the portal is about to be with players getting a free transfer, I do not want a current NFL coach. We need someone that's proven he can recruit 18 year olds, not game plan in the NFL.

That really depends on the individual, having NFL HC experience and connections could be leveraged.   While we are at it, Pete Carroll would be a good choice, I am not so sure about that Vince Lombardi guy.  

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11 hours ago, markstanco said:


 

 


Every single person in the know, coaches and media, knows herman sucks. There are no optics to be concerned with here.

 

You hit the nail on the head.  Texas is far too concerned about the “optics”.  That’s a big reason the kids don’t perform and the staff are pussies - optics, my ass.  Optics never won a game (unless it was a misdirection play, and those don’t seem to work either)

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33 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

That was a worthless read. The only thing that caught my attention is that the EOT is now our fight song. 

Yeah, but as I said, the important thing is that the article (especially the headline) exist in the first place and come up on my google news feed. So I am not the only person who saw it.  And it’s not facially from Texags or whornssuck.com or anything like that. So a relative lot of people see a headline like that from a seemingly unbiased source.  That’s not ideal for Tom. 

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8 hours ago, UT Lax said:

Unfortunately, I think it is a simple decision. CDC needs to get pledges from the BMDs to buyout the coaching staff and make a serious run at Urban Meyer to give him an offer he cannot refuse. If Meyer refuses or you don’t raise the $35mn needed, then you have to keep Tom Herman one more year knowing full well he will fail next year after losing his senior class.

After the 2021 season, you have a more clear budget picture, shaved $7-$10mn off the buyout, no longer have the poor optics of laying off and furloughing people to save $13mn, and allow for a full normal year for a coaching candidate to emerge (after first making another maybe more lucrative run at Meyer). Other than Urban Meyer or Kyle Shanahan (no fucking way he leaves the NFL), I just don’t see ANY obvious candidate that you would want to guarantee an additional $25-$35mn over 5 years. That being said, I desperately want UT to sign Urban Meyer NOW!


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Whoever replaces Mensa will get 25-35M over 5 minimum.   We aren’t getting Urban on a 5@5M more like a 5@10M if it happens

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44 minutes ago, B00M said:

Given the absolute cluster fuck the portal is about to be with players getting a free transfer, I do not want a current NFL coach. We need someone that's proven he can recruit 18 year olds, not game plan in the NFL.

"I've coached in the NFL, I can help you get there" is an effective tool for recruiting 18-year-olds who have their sights set on the NFL. 

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3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Stories like those I posted aren’t being put out there to “move the needle”. It’s a fan board. I figure it’s something to pass time if you don’t take it too seriously until there’s actual news. 

Regarding what went wrong, my personal bias has always been, from the start with this guy, that he’s a narcissist, clinically. He has all the hallmarks of one from everything I’ve ever read, but I’m not a doctor (I know you are), so I know it’s harder to diagnose than just knowing the texts.

That said, I’ve dealt with a few that behave similarly and they caused as much or more damage in their spheres of power, relatively speaking. Narcissists stop learning once it hits them that the world really does revolve around them. They stop taking any responsibility for failings, and therefore stop actually developing to overcome blindspots or experience gaps that will only grow. Every bad thing they encounter can safely be attributed to someone else’s failings or inaction. Every good thing that happens is because it was preordained, given their brilliance and near omnipotence. 

If you look at Herman, over and over these things come to light. He blames others constantly for anything going wrong and is incredulous that they’d dare let it happen to him and his regime. He preens and lauds his own performance at the first hint of success. On and on. 

Narcissists stop learning at the onset of the disorder in puberty, and whatever actual talent and magic made them think they were special once upon a time, gets passed by the hard work and learnings of others as they and their peer set hit the late 30’s into the 40’s. It’s like the star athletes who get by, and dominate, on supreme talent until they hit the level in which that’s no longer enough and it’s too ingrained at that point for them to adjust.

I’d much prefer a sociopath. They learn and evolve. They’re just emotionally detached robots who can become dangerous and don’t know where to draw lines. Give me one with a motivating mechanism of power or achievement (vs gluttony, sloth, or something like bloodlust), and I can show you a football program winning championships. Urban Meyer trends that direction. Saban flat out is one. Some of us have good friends way inside his regime and they’ll never admit it, but their stories and his public behaviors show it in spades. Art Briles is exemplary of an unchecked sociopath in power insouciantly letting things spin wildly out of control, which is always your risk with that type. 

My first graduate adviser was a narcissistic, he had hero worship (Apollo astronauts) and he could be both extremely charismatic and horrible and you never knew which version you would get.  He was brilliant in his work, gave back to the university, believed in charity, and advised a student to go to seminary school instead of continuing his graduate studies when the student was torn between his life pursuit.    He got off the phone one day after apologizing to a colleague about failing to include him as a co-author- then told me "I would have fucking sued his ass if he did that to me."   He saw what he wanted to see,  he would pick a student to shit on and would be merciless in his criticism, and then move on to a new one.  He stated to me that he needed to 'break students down and then to rebuild them' and he always saw himself as the victim, as if everyone else was trying to get one over on him.   

At one conference we walked up to a group of people he knew, and they had that "oh shit, look at who is coming" and as he approached several broke off and simply walked away.   I also remember this pissed off look on his face when I called for a taxi to take another student and myself to the airport and a limo showed up.  He had this fucking shocked and hateful look in his eyes as he loaded into his rental car.     

But I suppose there are degrees of this disorder.   Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Nivek said:

My first graduate adviser was a narcissistic, he had hero worship (Apollo astronauts) and he could be both extremely charismatic and horrible and you never knew which version you would get.  He was brilliant in his work, gave back to the university, believed in charity, and advised a student to go to seminary school instead of continuing his graduate studies when the student was torn between his life pursuit.    He got off the phone one day after apologizing to a colleague about failing to include him as a co-author- then told me "I would have fucking sued his ass if he did that to me."   He saw what he wanted to see,  he would pick a student to shit on and would be merciless in his criticism, and then move on to a new one.  He stated to me that he needed to 'break students down and then to rebuild them' and he always saw himself as the victim, as if everyone else was trying to get one over on him.   

At one conference we walked up to a group of people he knew, and they had that "oh shit, look at who is coming" and as he approached several broke off and simply walked away.   I also remember this pissed off look on his face when I called for a taxi to take another student and myself to the airport and a limo showed up.  He had this fucking shocked and hateful look in his eyes as he loaded into his rental car.     

But I suppose there are degrees of this disorder.   Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

 

 

The more I've read and then related things back to my work and experiences, the more I've come to believe that we're all trending towards some sort of disorder. The human brain is still very poorly understood and very powerful, so who knows what's right. The stats I see thrown about regularly as though they're irrefutable from the psychology writers in articles, white papers, and even books are that something akin to 5-7% of the population has a true disorder - narcissism, sociopathy, genius, bipolar, histrionic.

Sociopaths are viewed as the most common, something like 2-4% of the population are the estimates I've seen. It's pretty scary but also not entirely unbelievable to consider that 1 out of every 25-50 people is literally walking around without a conscience. True versions of the rest are rare to super rare (genius). Sounds like your guy was on the narcissism spectrum, no doubt. 

I'll stop the non sequitur rambling. Back to the discussion about how Hermanta Claus is planning a new gift for each of us at the next PC or Baylor game. 

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Texas football fans and Texas employees expect Herman to get fired. So, to whom is it sending a horrible message? Politicians and non-UT football fans? IDGAF

Some people think UT's overall brand and status as an institution of higher learning are completely independent of the football program. Bless their heart.

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5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

LOL. You'd pay him $15m/yr if he demanded it. 

no we wouldn't...we aren't going to triple the going rate.  we don't care that much any more.  we're Cal.  we would ride with someone who will accept 6M with increases.

I believe we would pay him 8M increasing to 10M over 5 years though but he might not take it.

to be clear, I'm not saying he's not worth 10-15M/yr.  he is.

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2 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

The furlough and layoff angle will be a thing for like 0.5 seconds before people forget about it and shouldn't affect anything. 

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If anything, an argument could be made that not making a move is going to hurt revenue even more, resulting in more furloughs/layoffs.  Is trotting out the same garbage product going to produce the necessary income to fund the athletic department budget?

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https://theathletic.com/2136497/2020/10/14/unc-football-coach-mack-brown-recruiting-texas-tom-herman/?source=dailyemail

 

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Q:  I’m no great fan of the performances of Tom Herman’s Texas teams so far, but I’m also less than enthusiastic about the Longhorns starting over with a new coach next year. If Texas would give a different coach three years after 2020 to build a national championship contender, wouldn’t it make more sense to give Herman those three years? (If three years is the new standard for taking a team from second tier W-L records to a national championship, which it seems to be.) — Brian D., Arlington, Va.

 

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I’ve been wrong before on these things, because you should never underestimate the extent to which emotion and irrationality dictates coaching decisions, but I believe Texas would have to bottom out pretty badly over the next two months for AD Chris Del Conte to pull the plug on Herman. Just last month, his department instituted $13.1 million in layoffs, furloughs and pay cuts. It would have to turn around and spend roughly $25 million to buy out not only Herman but all the new new assistants he hired last offseason. Offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich, for one, got a three-year, $5.1 million guaranteed contract.

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Never say never, but that would be an insane amount to spend amidst a revenue-crushing pandemic.

But nor would I count on Herman getting another three years on top of the four he’s already had. Herman did not take on a Kansas or Rutgers-level rebuilding job. He took over a proud program with the resources and recruiting footprint to immediately attract talent and win big fairly quickly. Four games into his fourth season, the ’Horns instead look like a team that has regressed, not progressed, the more time he’s had to build his own roster. I shudder to think where they’d be without Sam Ehlinger, who remains essentially their entire offense, good or bad. Their defense has quietly gotten better, improving from 6.25 to 5.4 YPP allowed in conference games, but it’s still far from elite territory.

 

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Let’s say Texas, currently 2-2, goes on to finish 5-5. I have no doubt many fans will be screaming for his head. But it would be perfectly reasonable to say, let’s give him another year, with the players getting a second season in new systems. Yurcich gets to craft his own post-Ehlinger offense. If Herman’s team finally breaks through, great. If it’s no better, you pull the plug then, which, though still costly, will be about $7-$10 million less, and will take place (we hope) under more favorable economic circumstances.

 

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3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

I always thought Mandel wasn't an out-of-touch moron but some of those lines have me questioning that. Also, why is he answering from the mailbag regarding Texas from someone in Arlington, Virginia? 

The dollar figure and furlough and corona argument kind of makes sense on paper, until you realize that there are BMDs at Texas that would collectively be happy to eat $10MM to get rid of him. Couple that with the fact that we will easily lose $10MM if not more in ticketing and merch sales and it's almost a no brainer to get rid of him at the end of the season at the latest. 

Unless he pulls some 8-2 B12 champ season out of his ass, which none of us that actually watch Texas (so not you, Brian, sit your ass down) see happening. 

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"What must be done eventually, must be done immediately"

Recruiting has already cratered for 2021. We are most likely signing the worst nontransition class ever.

There is nothing to indicate that Herman can turn this thing around. If we end up 5-5 or 6-4 and give him another year, 2022 class will crater as well.

Then we are in at least 5 year rebuild.

The other alternative is we let him go now, salvage the 2021 class, stop the transfer bleed. Sign a kickass 2022 class. Then we are looking at a 1-3 year rebuild.

The obviousness of the situation is stark. It was a bad investment. Time to cut our losses.

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7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I always thought Mandel wasn't an out-of-touch moron but some of those lines have me questioning that. Also, why is he answering from the mailbag regarding Texas from someone in Arlington, Virginia? 

The dollar figure and furlough and corona argument kind of makes sense on paper, until you realize that there are BMDs at Texas that would collectively be happy to eat $10MM to get rid of him. Couple that with the fact that we will easily lose $10MM if not more in ticketing and merch sales and it's almost a no brainer to get rid of him at the end of the season at the latest. 

Unless he pulls some 8-2 B12 champ season out of his ass, which none of us that actually watch Texas (so not you, Brian, sit your ass down) see happening. 

Maybe it's @VirginiaLonghorn   😂😂😂

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