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That Urban Meyer piece on what's wrong with losing football teams-- item #3 is the most deeply-ingrained long-term problem with Texas football. It's why we have so little to show for the past forty-plus years. Something about our culture breeds selfishness in the football program in a way that I don't think happens at OU or Ohio State or Alabama. 

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59 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

That Urban Meyer piece on what's wrong with losing football teams-- item #3 is the most deeply-ingrained long-term problem with Texas football. It's why we have so little to show for the past forty-plus years. Something about our culture breeds selfishness in the football program in a way that I don't think happens at OU or Ohio State or Alabama. 

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Having been given a generous contract extension and the lofty expectations of heading one of the premier college football teams in the nation, Urban Meyer made the decision to lie and withhold information about the knowledge he possessed regarding domestic abuse allegations against one of his colleagues.  His actions represent the actions of an unethical leader.  Unethical leadership involves self-serving values and motives that has very little regard for societal-level standards of behavior (Pennsylvania State University , L02, 2018).  Ethical leadership is similar to servant leadership in that both theories place an emphasis on the responsibility a leader has within society (Brown, Treviño, & Harrison, 2005).

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36 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Nobody gives a shit boomer. We just want to win. Glad your happy with being mediocre af. 

We were told we couldn't win unless we held our noses and brought a rape apologist on the staff. Then we were told we couldn't win unless we had a felon who sold controlled substances to kids on school campuses. We have been told before that unless to started down the road to being a scumbag program we would be mediocre. And yet we ended up being mediocre.

Now we are being told we need to be even more of a scumbag program if we are to win. Completely ignoring, of course, that there might be another variable at play other than "not unethical enough." The minds of those who are convinced success lies on the dark side of the ethical abyss are sad little things.

The "fans" and "alumni" who insist the only road to success is ever lower standards as a scumbag program need to be told to go to Hell. The University doesn't need or want them. Their small minds can't envision any road to success not predicated on being disgusting people. Their (your) limitations shouldn't be the standard the rest of us embrace. Your inability to think other than in a despicable mindset is your sickness. It needn't afflict the rest of us. The damage small-minded, ethically challenged people cause as they go through life is all too often left to the rest us us to clean up.

In ways large and small, history has shown what happens when the small-minded are allowed a voice disproportionate to their intellect. We don't need Urban Meyer to teach us those lessons again.

You personally might, but most of the rest of us don't.

Hard pass on Urban Meyer. The same small minds who insisted we had to have a rape enabler and a drug dealer "or be mediocre af" were wrong then, and they are again wrong now.

This isn't really hard to figure out.

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12 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Shut.  The. Fuck.  Up.  

Lol.

I got the same reaction when "you people" insisted if we didn't shut up about the rape enabler we would be "mediocre af." And over the drug dealer.

Face it. The issue isn't that Texas football "will be mediocre af" unless we all become scumbags. The problem is "you people" can't contemplate any solution to the problem other than to become scumbags.

No thank you. We all don't have to live in a world limited by the intellect of "you people."

There is another solution. Some universities may be "ok" with teaching that ethics don't matter. UT Austin should not become one of them just to beat TCU and OU in football.

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29 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

We were told we couldn't win unless we held our noses and brought a rape apologist on the staff. Then we were told we couldn't win unless we had a felon who sold controlled substances to kids on school campuses. We have been told before that unless to started down the road to being a scumbag program we would be mediocre. And yet we ended up being mediocre.

Now we are being told we need to be even more of a scumbag program if we are to win. Completely ignoring, of course, that there might be another variable at play other than "not unethical enough." The minds of those who are convinced success lies on the dark side of the ethical abyss are sad little things.

The "fans" and "alumni" who insist the only road to success is ever lower standards as a scumbag program need to be told to go to Hell. The University doesn't need or want them. Their small minds can't envision any road to success not predicated on being disgusting people. Their (your) limitations shouldn't be the standard the rest of us embrace. Your inability to think other than in a despicable mindset is your sickness. It needn't afflict the rest of us. The damage small-minded, ethically challenged people cause as they go through life is all too often left to the rest us us to clean up.

In ways large and small, history has shown what happens when the small-minded are allowed a voice disproportionate to their intellect. We don't need Urban Meyer to teach us those lessons again.

You personally might, but most of the rest of us don't.

Hard pass on Urban Meyer. The same small minds who insisted we had to have a rape enabler and a drug dealer "or be mediocre af" were wrong then, and they are again wrong now.

This isn't really hard to figure out.

Urban Meyer is not Tom Herman. He actually wins. A lot. Everywhere he goes, in fact. But you already knew that... I think.

Anyway, will you leave the board and never return after we hire Urban?

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12 minutes ago, TXpride said:

Urban Meyer is not Tom Herman. He actually wins. A lot. Everywhere he goes, in fact. But you already knew that... I think.

Anyway, will you leave the board and never return after we hire Urban?

Urban also leaves an odious stench everywhere he goes.

And no. If Urban actually does end up at Texas, I will be here the entire time saying "I told you so."

We all know the trade that is being made if any school hires Urban Meyer.

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3 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Urban also leaves an odious stench everywhere he goes.

And no. If Urban actually does end up at Texas, I will be here the entire time saying "I told you so."

We all know the trade that is being made if any school hires Urban Meyer.

Did he leave a stench in bowling Green and utah?

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1 hour ago, Sir Ulrich said:

If Tom spent more time worrying about winning football games and not sleuthing message boards maybe he would not have to face these types of questions

Yeah but if he's not sleuthing message boards, how's he gonna know which of the opponent's players may be hurt so he can tweak his gameplan, smart guy? 

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Just now, westexhorn said:

Did he leave a stench in bowling Green and utah?

Your argument is that his track record while at Utah and Bowling Green exonerates him from his poor judgement at Florida and Ohio State?

Art Briles was as much a saint while at U of H ad Urban was at BG or Utah. I would argue if you want to go scumbag, Briles is a better scumbag choice than Urban. Hugh Freeze is probably a better scumbag option than either Urban or Briles.

Hell, "you people" not only can't think of a way to success other than to be a scumbag, you can't even pick a quality scumbag.

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1 hour ago, Sir Ulrich said:

If Tom spent more time worrying about winning football games and not sleuthing message boards maybe he would not have to face these types of questions

Great point...

For his username he probably uses some character from "Trading Places"

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1 minute ago, TXpride said:

Yeah, just looks at Ohio State. Their reputation is forever ruined. Now they just cherry-pick recruits from Texas and make the playoffs every year. The horror!

Florida too. What no one in the press is telling you is that students graduating from Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State can’t find jobs. Their degrees are worthless. Their reputations are in the shitter. All bc of a Head Football Coach. They are probably protesting in the streets about it—it’s just not being reported. It’s a travesty that the MSM covers this shit up. All so the myth of Urban Meyer can be preserved. It’s maddening. Lmao. 

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2 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Your argument is that his track record while at Utah and Bowling Green exonerates him from his poor judgement at Florida and Ohio State?

Art Briles was as much a saint while at U of H ad Urban was at BG or Utah. I would argue if you want to go scumbag, Briles is a better scumbag choice than Urban. Hugh Freeze is probably a better scumbag option than either Urban or Briles.

Hell, "you people" not only can't think of a way to success other than to be a scumbag, you can't even pick a quality scumbag.

3 national titles and multiple cfb playoff appearances and multiple conference championships says who gives a shit. He’s arguably a top 5 coach in the history of cfb and you don’t want him. You’re such a fucking regard

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29 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Your argument is that his track record while at Utah and Bowling Green exonerates him from his poor judgement at Florida and Ohio State?

Art Briles was as much a saint while at U of H ad Urban was at BG or Utah. I would argue if you want to go scumbag, Briles is a better scumbag choice than Urban. Hugh Freeze is probably a better scumbag option than either Urban or Briles.

Hell, "you people" not only can't think of a way to success other than to be a scumbag, you can't even pick a quality scumbag.

But Urban's record is way better than those guys though, why would I pick them over CUM

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1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said:

Shut.  The. Fuck.  Up.  

Exactly. It’s 2020, no one gives a shit about your so-called “ethics” anymore. If we want to play big boy college football, we have to do what the Clemsons, Floridas, Bamas, Oregons and tOSUs of the world are doing. NO ONE thinks Dabo is unethical. His players might get their beaks a little wet with $100 handshakes from boosters. @Randolph Duke sounds like an antique record parroting the bs excuses this fan base made during the McWilliams years when EVERYONE was supposedly cheating in the SWC.

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5 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Exactly. It’s 2020, no one gives a shit about your so-called “ethics” anymore. If we want to play big boy college football, we have to do what the Clemsons, Floridas, Bamas and tOSUs of the world. NO ONE thinks Dabo is unethical. His players might get their beaks a little wet with $100 handshakes from boosters. You sound like an antique record parroting the bs excuses this fan base made during the McWilliams years when EVERYONE was supposedly cheating in the SWC.

well said too many pretentious people here who want to be morally superior  

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33 minutes ago, Redneck Mutha said:

How's would you compare that stench to our stench from Bev? Seamus? Casey Horny? Michael Center?  

If you look back, my earlier comment was that Casey Horny was a concession to the "scumbag uber alles" contingent. They whined that if we didn't have a rape enabler, Texas footfall would be "mediocre af." We gave "those people" what they demanded and they didn't deliver with a football team that could beat TCU and/or OU.

Now they are demanding another scumbag concession, insisting if we don't give in Texas footfall will be "mediocre af."

My point is the "scumbag" contingent will ALWAYS claim if we don't become "true scumbags" we will never have a decent football team. We gave them a rape enabler. We gave them a drug dealer. And they didn't deliver on their end. We walked down the road of being scumbags, they didn't deliver, and now they insist we need to give them more.

Just a question for the scumbag contingent - when are we at the point when it is evident to even you that your approach is completely fucked up and your scumbag fantasies are shown to be just that - scumbag fantasies?

Rape enablers on campus - check

Drug dealers on campus - check.

Urban Meyer - fuck no, you had your shot when you demanded the rape enabler and the drug dealer.

It's now time to let the grown-ups have control of the program for a while. You asked, we gave, you didn't deliver.

The "pro scumbag" contingent needs to shut the fuck up.

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1 hour ago, Randolph Duke said:

We were told we couldn't win unless we held our noses and brought a rape apologist on the staff. Then we were told we couldn't win unless we had a felon who sold controlled substances to kids on school campuses. We have been told before that unless to started down the road to being a scumbag program we would be mediocre. And yet we ended up being mediocre.

Now we are being told we need to be even more of a scumbag program if we are to win. Completely ignoring, of course, that there might be another variable at play other than "not unethical enough." The minds of those who are convinced success lies on the dark side of the ethical abyss are sad little things.

The "fans" and "alumni" who insist the only road to success is ever lower standards as a scumbag program need to be told to go to Hell. The University doesn't need or want them. Their small minds can't envision any road to success not predicated on being disgusting people. Their (your) limitations shouldn't be the standard the rest of us embrace. Your inability to think other than in a despicable mindset is your sickness. It needn't afflict the rest of us. The damage small-minded, ethically challenged people cause as they go through life is all too often left to the rest us us to clean up.

In ways large and small, history has shown what happens when the small-minded are allowed a voice disproportionate to their intellect. We don't need Urban Meyer to teach us those lessons again.

You personally might, but most of the rest of us don't.

Hard pass on Urban Meyer. The same small minds who insisted we had to have a rape enabler and a drug dealer "or be mediocre af" were wrong then, and they are again wrong now.

This isn't really hard to figure out.

You’re running the Texas Takeover Twitter account, right?

One of their tweets said Osama bin Laden was alive the last time Texas won the Big 12. Herman is great because he’s the only coach who’s gotten us to a Big 12 title game since.

Shelley & Michelle, please send us more smoke signals with your retweets and Twitter likes. 

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2 minutes ago, MrBig said:

You’re running the Texas Takeover Twitter account, right?

One of their tweets said Osama bin Laden was alive the last time Texas won the Big 12. Herman is great because he’s the only coach who’s gotten us to a Big 12 title game since.

Shelley & Michelle, please send us more smoke signals with your retweets and Twitter likes. 

Nope. I don't post under any name other than RD. On any site.

Never have. Never will. Your thinking I do otherwise is just you acting like an aggy.

 

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12 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

If you look back, my earlier comment was that Casey Horny was a concession to the "scumbag uber alles" contingent. They whined that if we didn't have a rape enabler, Texas footfall would be "mediocre af." We gave "those people" what they demanded and they didn't deliver with a football team that could beat TCU and/or OU.

Now they are demanding another scumbag concession, insisting if we don't give in Texas footfall will be "mediocre af."

My point is the "scumbag" contingent will ALWAYS claim if we don't become "true scumbags" we will never have a decent football team. We gave them a rape enabler. We gave them a drug dealer. And they didn't deliver on their end. We walked down the road of being scumbags, they didn't deliver, and now they insist we need to give them more.

Just a question for the scumbag contingent - when are we at the point when it is evident to even you that your approach is completely fucked up and your scumbag fantasies are shown to be just that - scumbag fantasies?

Rape enablers on campus - check

Drug dealers on campus - check.

Urban Meyer - fuck no, you had your shot when you demanded the rape enabler and the drug dealer.

It's now time to let the grown-ups have control of the program for a while. You asked, we gave, you didn't deliver.

The "pro scumbag" contingent needs to shut the fuck up.

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15 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

If you look back, my earlier comment was that Casey Horny was a concession to the "scumbag uber alles" contingent. They whined that if we didn't have a rape enabler, Texas footfall would be "mediocre af." We gave "those people" what they demanded and they didn't deliver with a football team that could beat TCU and/or OU.

Now they are demanding another scumbag concession, insisting if we don't give in Texas footfall will be "mediocre af."

My point is the "scumbag" contingent will ALWAYS claim if we don't become "true scumbags" we will never have a decent football team. We gave them a rape enabler. We gave them a drug dealer. And they didn't deliver on their end. We walked down the road of being scumbags, they didn't deliver, and now they insist we need to give them more.

Just a question for the scumbag contingent - when are we at the point when it is evident to even you that your approach is completely fucked up and your scumbag fantasies are shown to be just that - scumbag fantasies?

Rape enablers on campus - check

Drug dealers on campus - check.

Urban Meyer - fuck no, you had your shot when you demanded the rape enabler and the drug dealer.

It's now time to let the grown-ups have control of the program for a while. You asked, we gave, you didn't deliver.

The "pro scumbag" contingent needs to shut the fuck up.

Wrong, we have pretended that we are like Cal and Stanford and have never gone “scumbag”. 40+ years of mediocrity that has occurred because of fans that think like you. Thankfully, dinosaurs like you are getting culled from the herd. Our younger generation fans want to win and create a machine. We have done it your way and are sick of the lack of results. We are getting Urban who is going to change the culture for good and win us the hardware we are craving. The BMD are in board. The fans don’t give a shit about your antiquated view of “ethics”. Bill Powers is thankfully gone. He thought like you and prevented Saban from coming here which has proven to be a calamitous decision. We are not going to make the same mistake twice and pass on a sure thing.

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12 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

If you look back, my earlier comment was that Casey Horny was a concession to the "scumbag uber alles" contingent. They whined that if we didn't have a rape enabler, Texas footfall would be "mediocre af." We gave "those people" what they demanded and they didn't deliver with a football team that could beat TCU and/or OU.

Now they are demanding another scumbag concession, insisting if we don't give in Texas footfall will be "mediocre af."

My point is the "scumbag" contingent will ALWAYS claim if we don't become "true scumbags" we will never have a decent football team. We gave them a rape enabler. We gave them a drug dealer. And they didn't deliver on their end. We walked down the road of being scumbags, they didn't deliver, and now they insist we need to give them more.

Just a question for the scumbag contingent - when are we at the point when it is evident to even you that your approach is completely fucked up and your scumbag fantasies are shown to be just that - scumbag fantasies?

Rape enablers on campus - check

Drug dealers on campus - check.

Urban Meyer - fuck no, you had your shot when you demanded the rape enabler and the drug dealer.

It's now time to let the grown-ups have control of the program for a while. You asked, we gave, you didn't deliver.

The "pro scumbag" contingent needs to shut the fuck up.


Can you cite one example of anyone demanding Texas hire Casey Horny? Just one. Because I don’t know of a single Longhorn fan pining for Texas to hire him. Most did not know who he was until after he was hired. 

I am pretty sure you invented that position out of thin air. 

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