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15 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Seems like a reasonable memo. Let's be reasonable people and allow for the reasonable protestations while letting those who want to ignore the commotion and simply go to school, do that.

I feel like Hartzell might be writing his own walking papers if he encourages or quietly allows another police showing like yesterday. 

thugs need thugs for control.

goes for abbott too

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18 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Seems like a reasonable memo. Let's be reasonable people and allow for the reasonable protestations while letting those who want to ignore the commotion and simply go to school, do that.

I feel like Hartzell might be writing his own walking papers if he encourages or quietly allows another police showing like yesterday. 

Hot Wheels has his back. Willing to bet he was exerting pressure to to do what happened yesterday. 

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Dumping Hartzell is exactly what abbott wants, now he has the faculty calling for it

 

his replacement won’t come from the world academia. unless they come from hillsdale, liberty ….

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12 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Lolz. “Academia.” Hartzell taught bean counting. 

I'm not gonna knock anyone that educates, but it would seem when you approach leadership and decision-making as a balance sheet only, you get yesterday's response. 

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Just now, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

why do Jewish students feel hating Israel is a direct attack on them? /rhetorical question.

Why is it that so many people disingenuously claim that criticizing a nation's government is equivalent to hating that whole nation and all of its people?

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3 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

why do Jewish students feel hating Israel is a direct attack on them? /rhetorical question.

Probably becuase the people, historically, who most often hate on israel don't think Jews have a right to exist. .

Posted
Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Probably becuase the people, historically, who most often hate on israel don't think Jews have a right to exist. .

not exactly true and true anti Zionism isn't Holocaust 2.  This mistake , which you also have made, is BY FAR the most common misunderstanding on this topic.  At the core of this entire thing is Arab sovereignty vs. Jewish encroachment onto the native Arab population. This has evolved into a few other directions but anything else is a misunderstanding which Israel is happy to exploit. 

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1 minute ago, Dirk X West said:

Why is it that so many people disingenuously claim that criticizing a nation's government is equivalent to hating that whole nation and all of its people?

hating the entire state of Israel and all its people is STILL not anti-Semitism, not from the Arab point of view.  It's because they are not Arab, that's all.  People get the Holocaust in their brain and can't let go. 

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1 minute ago, BeardIP said:

Maybe because a lot of people's lived experience in America since 2016 has been that (online, especially) if you support X and I hate X, then I also hate you the one who votes or supports X.

Then why won't all the government hating right wingers admit they hate the USA?

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38 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

not exactly true and true anti Zionism isn't Holocaust 2.  This mistake , which you also have made, is BY FAR the most common misunderstanding on this topic.  At the core of this entire thing is Arab sovereignty vs. Jewish encroachment onto the native Arab population. This has evolved into a few other directions but anything else is a misunderstanding which Israel is happy to exploit. 

Listen dude, I peace'd out of the israel thread months ago for this reason. I'll address a couple points and I'll peace out of this one too, becuase I know where it ends. But before I start, I will say that Netanyahu is a war criminal and can fuck off and die, and Israel does plenty of shady shit. That being said:

1.) not exactly true and true anti Zionism isn't Holocaust 2 - It's pretty condescending to tell people they're misunderstanding a topic when you have no clue of their knowledge, AND your saying they're misunderstanding something and you're offering your own subjective opinion. "Not exactly true" is sort of the flip side of "not exactly wrong." And Anti Zionism isn't the Holocaust 2 mostly becuase Israel/America/Others haven't allowed it to become Holocaust 2...yet. There are massive amounts of people living in the immediate vicinity who don't believe Jews have a right to be alive, and one of them is Hamas. And it seems like every 10-15 years they all try to invade or do something horrible to Israel. But yes, I'm sure the peopel of Israel and Jews worldwide don't feel threatened, but if they do, yes, lets just assure them this is really a geographical encroachment situaiton, nothing more!

2) At the core of this entire thing is Arab sovereignty vs. Jewish encroachment onto the native Arab population - Such an amazing oversimplificaiton. Was the Jewish state created by displacing Arabs. Yes, absolutely. Was any CONTINUED "encroachment" on the Arab state becuase people wanted to fucking kill jews? Yes, Israel's advancement came at the cost of more Arab land...usually after those countries decaled war on Israel, invaded and then Israel whipped their ass and ended up with more land than they started. You could call that Arab bestowment of Arab lands as much as encroachment.

 

Edit: As an addendum to part 1, I'll add that Iran is a country that absolutely wants to eradicate Jews, and they have since the October attack ADMITTED that they pushed Hamas, who is their proxy, to attack becuase they feared that the Saudi's and soon others signing up to normalize relations with Israel would lower the temperature and hatred of Jews in the region. Another country literally meddling to prevent the hatred of jews subsidizing, becuase they fear it'll be harder to kill them in the future, but yes, Israel and Jews shouldn't feel threatened becuase it's just basic geopolitical maneuvering. right? 

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Posted
59 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


the new abbott appointee is posting on truth media …

5-4 Pod (Rhiannon is one of the hosts) becoming part of this wasn't on my bingo card. 

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36 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Listen dude, I peace'd out of the israel thread months ago for this reason. I'll address a couple points and I'll peace out of this one too, becuase I know where it ends. But before I start, I will say that Netanyahu is a war criminal and can fuck off and die, and Israel does plenty of shady shit. That being said:

1.) not exactly true and true anti Zionism isn't Holocaust 2 - It's pretty condescending to tell people they're misunderstanding a topic when you have no clue of their knowledge, AND your saying they're misunderstanding something and you're offering your own subjective opinion. "Not exactly true" is sort of the flip side of "not exactly wrong." And Anti Zionism isn't the Holocaust 2 mostly becuase Israel/America/Others haven't allowed it to become Holocaust 2...yet. There are massive amounts of people living in the immediate vicinity who don't believe Jews have a right to be alive, and one of them is Hamas. And it seems like every 10-15 years they all try to invade or do something horrible to Israel. But yes, I'm sure the peopel of Israel and Jews worldwide don't feel threatened, but if they do, yes, lets just assure them this is really a geographical encroachment situaiton, nothing more!

2) At the core of this entire thing is Arab sovereignty vs. Jewish encroachment onto the native Arab population - Such an amazing oversimplificaiton. Was the Jewish state created by displacing Arabs. Yes, absolutely. Was any CONTINUED "encroachment" on the Arab state becuase people wanted to fucking kill jews? Yes, Israel's advancement came at the cost of more Arab land...usually after those countries decaled war on Israel, invaded and then Israel whipped their ass and ended up with more land than they started. You could call that Arab bestowment of Arab lands as much as encroachment.

 

Edit: As an addendum to part 1, I'll add that Iran is a country that absolutely wants to eradicate Jews, and they have since the October attack ADMITTED that they pushed Hamas, who is their proxy, to attack becuase they feared that the Saudi's and soon others signing up to normalize relations with Israel would lower the temperature and hatred of Jews in the region. Another country literally meddling to prevent the hatred of jews subsidizing, becuase they fear it'll be harder to kill them in the future, but yes, Israel and Jews shouldn't feel threatened becuase it's just basic geopolitical maneuvering. right? 

1. It's the biggest misundestanding BY FAR and you keep making the rookie mistake, but you are not alone, so find comfort in that. Oh my dear, it is ALL about geographic encroachment, not anti-semitism at all.

2. see#1 the continued encroachment is still the cause and in fact the 2 state solution is dead because the Jews don't want to fall back to "their" lands. 

Many of you have to discard this idea of "Jew hatred" , "antisemitism". It's absolutely ZERO. 

Let me dumb it down for you:  America did not fight Japan because of racial hatred of Asian people.  Make sense?  

edit: just read your silliness about Iran. Did you know Iran still has a few thousand Jews, mostly inTehran? They could easily kill them all.  

It's not about antisemitism my dude. Zero. I know it's very deep in people's head, i had that same error years ago, but gradually the epiphany will come. 

 

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1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

1. It's the biggest misundestanding BY FAR and you keep making the rookie mistake, but you are not alone, so find comfort in that. Oh my dear, it is ALL about geographic encroachment, not anti-semitism at all.

2. see#1 the continued encroachment is still the cause and in fact the 2 state solution is dead because the Jews don't want to fall back to "their" lands. 

Many of you have to discard this idea of "Jew hatred" , "antisemitism". It's absolutely ZERO. 

Let me dumb it down for you:  America did not fight Japan because of racial hatred of Asian people.  Make sense?  

 

You're bordering on disingenuous to the point of trolling. Hamas literally said it's their responsibility to kill jews everywhere in the world. It's in their fucking CHARTER. But yes, it's all geopolitical. Those videos of all the 8 year old palestinians claiming their only want in life is to grow up and slaughter jews...those vieos just cut off right after "Because of their geographical encroachment!" 

The Two State solution is dead because despite agreeing in 2007 among all the parties, no final agreement was reached, and then Hamas took control of Palestine and oh, put it in their charter to kill jews everywhere, and shit has progressively gotten worse. 

To say that Palestinians and many, many muslims, don't hate and flat out want to kill the Jewish people is fucking miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind blowing. It's in their charter, repeatedly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter


 

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

You're bordering on disingenuous to the point of trolling. Hamas literally said it's their responsibility to kill jews everywhere in the world. It's in their fucking CHARTER. But yes, it's all geopolitical. Those videos of all the 8 year old palestinians claiming their only want in life is to grow up and slaughter jews...those vieos just cut off right after "Because of their geographical encroachment!" 

The Two State solution is dead because despite agreeing in 2007 among all the parties, no final agreement was reached, and then Hamas took control of Palestine and oh, put it in their charter to kill jews everywhere, and shit has progressively gotten worse. 

To say that Palestinians and many, many muslims, don't hate and flat out want to kill the Jewish people is fucking miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind blowing. It's in their charter, repeatedly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter


 

lolz, it's all about land and fighting the invading Zionists.  Simple really.  Yes, they hate Jews because of what they did to them , which btw is a lot worse than the relatively minor Pearl Harbor attack which cause massive hatred of the Japs.  

Jew hatred arises out of political events.  Jews are the enemy but they are not the enemy simply because they are Jews (your incorrect mindset). 

Jews are doing business in many Muslim lands and like I said even live in Iran.   You are a rookie but you have lots of company.  

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Make Em Eat Taco Bell has achieved the rare feat of acting like a complete condescending prick while at the same time being completely wrong and tripling down on his ignorance. Fascinating. 

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Being pro Palestine is not being anti Israel. I do think that this was a poor judgement on all fronts. 

Columbia getting on the news for the wrong things is not good for all the other protests. It’s like BLM riots vs BLM protests. It all turned bad once the riots happened one place because inevitably everyone thinks it devolves to riot. 

UT students after getting not approved should have worked to get approval or put the shit on blast and do a PR campaign for free speech. 

Texas Admin fucked up for not approving a protest that seemed fine. 

State fucked up by sending in literally riot police. 

Texas president fucked up because he did nothing when he was supposed to be leading. 

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4 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

lolz, it's all about land and fighting the invading Zionists.  Simple really.  Yes, they hate Jews because of what they did to them , which btw is a lot worse than the relatively minor Pearl Harbor attack which cause massive hatred of the Japs.  

Jew hatred arises out of political events.  Jews are the enemy but they are not the enemy simply because they are Jews (your incorrect mindset). 

Jews are doing business in many Muslim lands and like I said even live in Iran.   You are a rookie but you have lots of company.  

"jews hate arises out of political events." Well, I didn't have "political event" as a description of October 7th on my bingo card, but here we are...I'll ignore all the videos all over the internet of Palestinian children putting on plays heroicly depicting the muder of jews, and children saying they grow up with no other goal than to murder jews, becuase hey, I have an incorrect mindset and those must not be real.  

Oh, you live in Iran you say? Outside of my shock that you have regular access to a functioning internet that isn't massively controlled by the state, well, I guess your viewpoints make a lot more sense. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Make Em Eat Taco Bell has achieved the rare feat of acting like a complete condescending prick while at the same time being completely wrong and tripling down on his ignorance. Fascinating. 

i'm completely right.  Very few of you have the perspective of the Arab position, but stupidly blame anti-semitism which is wholly inaccurate. Hamas wasn't even formed until 1987 , previously Arafat was the ruler and still was until his death in 2005 , shortly thereafter Hamas took Gaza. It's NEVER been about anti-semitism . Never ever, yet rookies think I am making a mistake. Rookies have strength in numbers though, and this is one of the better political forums in the entire internet (I've been on about 75). Sad really. I made the same mistake when I was younger, the guilt shaming of so called "Jew hatred", but that does not exist in the classic anti-semitic form.

Yes, Arabs hate Jews, cannot be denied, but they don't hate Jews simply because they are Jews.  Turks and Kurds hate each other, again it's about territory.  It happens.  Don't read more into that, it's actually simple. 

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22 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You're bordering on disingenuous to the point of trolling. Hamas literally said it's their responsibility to kill jews everywhere in the world. It's in their fucking CHARTER. But yes, it's all geopolitical. Those videos of all the 8 year old palestinians claiming their only want in life is to grow up and slaughter jews...those vieos just cut off right after "Because of their geographical encroachment!" 

The Two State solution is dead because despite agreeing in 2007 among all the parties, no final agreement was reached, and then Hamas took control of Palestine and oh, put it in their charter to kill jews everywhere, and shit has progressively gotten worse. 

To say that Palestinians and many, many muslims, don't hate and flat out want to kill the Jewish people is fucking miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind blowing. It's in their charter, repeatedly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter


 

you should know that charter was replaced

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4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

"jews hate arises out of political events." Well, I didn't have "political event" as a description of October 7th on my bingo card, but here we are...I'll ignore all the videos all over the internet of Palestinian children putting on plays heroicly depicting the muder of jews, and children saying they grow up with no other goal than to murder jews, becuase hey, I have an incorrect mindset and those must not be real.  

Oh, you live in Iran you say? Outside of my shock that you have regular access to a functioning internet that isn't massively controlled by the state, well, I guess your viewpoints make a lot more sense. 

 

 

hahaha, no I don't live in Iran.  Damn man you are so frothing with anger you can't read straight.  Pal kids do hate Israel because the the mass murder imposed on them , especially in Gaza from 1967-2005. Again it's political. After all the Jews are the enemy , not the Bhutanese tribal people, did you know that? 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

Being pro Palestine is not being anti Israel. I do think that this was a poor judgement on all fronts. 

AGREED.

Columbia getting on the news for the wrong things is not good for all the other protests. It’s like BLM riots vs BLM protests. It all turned bad once the riots happened one place because inevitably everyone thinks it devolves to riot. 

MOSTLY AGREE, BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE MEDIA TO PORTRAY PROTESTS IN THE WORST LIGHT - JUST LIKE BLM.

UT students after getting not approved should have worked to get approval or put the shit on blast and do a PR campaign for free speech. 

THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO GET APPROVAL.

Texas Admin fucked up for not approving a protest that seemed fine. 

ENTIRE UT SYSTEM IS UNDER TX GQP'S THUMB. SEE MY POST ABOVE WHERE FREE SPEECH ON PALESTINE @ UT-ARLINGTON AND UT-DALLAS IS ALSO GETTING STIFLED. SAME GOES FOR A PROF AT TECH GETTING CANNED.

State fucked up by sending in literally riot police. 

SENDING IN RIOT POLICE ISN'T A GLITCH. IT'S A FEATURE.

Texas president fucked up because he did nothing when he was supposed to be leading. 

LET'S WAIT & SEE IF HE LOSES HIS JOB OVER IT.

We really shouldn't look at yesterday's incident in a vacuum, nor should we see the general assault on Texas public and higher education as one, either.

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1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

i'm completely right.  Very few of you have the perspective of the Arab position, but stupidly blame anti-semitism which is wholly inaccurate. Hamas wasn't even formed until 1987 , previously Arafat was the ruler and still was until his death in 2005 , shortly thereafter Hamas took Gaza. It's NEVER been about anti-semitism . Never ever, yet rookies think I am making a mistake. Rookies have strength in numbers though, and this is one of the better political forums in the entire internet (I've been on about 75). Sad really. I made the same mistake when I was younger, the guilt shaming of so called "Jew hatred", but that does not exist in the classic anti-semitic form.

Yes, Arabs hate Jews, cannot be denied, but they don't hate Jews simply because they are Jews.  Turks and Kurds hate each other, again it's about territory.  It happens.  Don't read more into that, it's actually simple. 

LOL, to act like there's ZERO antisemitism is an insane take.  But it's obvious you know more than all of us, so carry on...

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

you should know that charter was replaced

Yes. I'm aware they replaced that charter in 2017. To soften their public stance. Just like the Southern Strategy replaced the N word with "forced busing" and school choice. I guess based on that, you're right, there is no more racism in America. Becuase decades or centuries of resentment and hatred just evaporte once the formal rhetoric becomes just a bit lighter. Get the fucking fuck out of here. 

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Yes. I'm aware they replaced that charter in 2017. To soften their public stance. Just like the Southern Strategy replaced the N word with "forced busing" and school choice. I guess based on that, you're right, there is no more racism in America. Becuase decades or centuries of resentment and hatred just evaporte once the formal rhetoric becomes just a bit lighter. Get the fucking fuck out of here. 

You were linking an old charter to make a libelous argument directed at all Palestinians, so GTFO.

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3 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

Yes, Arabs hate Jews, cannot be denied, but they don't hate Jews simply because they are Jews.  

Does Hamas make each potential victim fill out a questionnaire with a family tree and a personal beliefs quiz before they decide to kill them? 

What the fuck point are you trying to make?  If a group of people indiscriminatingly hates another group of people, why does it matter where that hate originated?  

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

You were linking an old charter to make a libelous argument directed at all Palestinians, so GTFO.

Fuck you, I did no such thing. I linked to the old charter which was riddled with anti-semtic language and mention of exterminating JEWS, not Israel, but Jews, a charter that was inacted when Hamas was elected in Palestine. I never attempted to made a "libelous" argument directed at all palestinians. I simply used their own document, which was enacted when Palestinians elected them as their ruling party, as evidence that just MAYBE there's a large segment of people for which their issues with Israel/Jews is a bit more than territorial. 

How is that in any way a libelous argument directed at ALL Palestinians. Go ahead, walk me through it. 

Also, I note that you have no response to the fact that "Oh, they wrote a new charter 10 years later, I'm sure there's no lingering hatred of Jews" point. I guess you do also believe there's no more racism in America, either, right?

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

I did no such thing.

Seriously? You're going to deny what you said?

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To say that Palestinians and many, many muslims, don't hate and flat out want to kill the Jewish people is fucking miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind blowing. It's in their charter, repeatedly:

What did you mean by "Palestinians and many, many muslims" then?

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18 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

i'm completely right.  Very few of you have the perspective of the Arab position, but stupidly blame anti-semitism which is wholly inaccurate. Hamas wasn't even formed until 1987 , previously Arafat was the ruler and still was until his death in 2005 , shortly thereafter Hamas took Gaza. It's NEVER been about anti-semitism . Never ever, yet rookies think I am making a mistake. Rookies have strength in numbers though, and this is one of the better political forums in the entire internet (I've been on about 75). Sad really. I made the same mistake when I was younger, the guilt shaming of so called "Jew hatred", but that does not exist in the classic anti-semitic form.

Yes, Arabs hate Jews, cannot be denied, but they don't hate Jews simply because they are Jews.  Turks and Kurds hate each other, again it's about territory.  It happens.  Don't read more into that, it's actually simple. 

I’m guessing that you’re bringing a lot firepower to this— ME professional with languages, credentials, time on the ground, professional or advance academic background as a regional expert, CT expert, historian, etc? 

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Just now, chainsaw said:

Seriously? You're going to deny what you said?

What did you mean by "Palestinians and many, many muslims" then?

I meant that there is a GIANT FUCKING SEGMENT of those two groups that hate jews and want them dead, and it isn't because of land encroachment. It's holy. 

You're attempting to pounce on some lack of a specific percentage as some kind of gotcha. Many Palestinians, and many other muslims (which was meant to represent that exist in other countries outside Palestine) want to kill jews on general principle. 

I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if I made a statment like "Texas is full of Fascists." Which it is. But it doesn't mean everyone. Nor should my comments be read that way. Fuck the fuck off. 
 

4 minutes ago, Welshy said:

Looking for the UT-Abbot thread, wandered into the Trolling 101 thread. 

My apologies. I knew better when I started. 

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