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On 4/29/2025 at 10:41 AM, TreatyOak said:

Ways Democrats can win back the independents and win in 2028:

  • Find the next Bill Clinton. A Southern, conservative Democratic statesman who isn't afraid of distancing himself from the fringe, identity-politic morons* who keep setting us up to fail by handing easy talking points to the Republicans. 
  • Find the next Ann Richards. An outspoken, Southern** conservative, gun-totin' woman who Americans can love with a big social heart and an even bigger semi-automatic rifle.  
  • Make Hispanic Americans the priority. Hispanics are feeling taken for granted and have been migrating to the Republicans. Hispanics represent approx. 25% of the populace. Hola! 
  • Be better at embracing new media. Republicans ran circles around Democrats in 2024 in understanding how new media feels more trustworthy to Americans today than traditional platforms. 

It's not that hard and the margin wasn't that great. Biden/Harris ran a shit-show of a campaign and lost the independents, but they should be hoppin' mad by 2027 and ready to be won over. 

*You can fight for dramatic social change in the United States or you can win an election. You can't do both. 

** Candidate could also be from Pennsylvania, or Ohio, which is kinda like the South. Not Utah. That place is weird.  

Fuck all of the conservative southerner bullshit. No offense.

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4 hours ago, The Royal We said:

Kendall was the guest speaker last night at the Nacogdoches County Democratic Party "Beans and Jeans" fundraiser. I came away very impressed by his passion and his message of focusing on working class issues and education. He's from New Boston, TX and comes across as very genuine. Time will tell if he'll be able to make the changes necessary to actually help Dems win in Texas again, but he's a step in the right direction IMO. I spoke with him briefly afterwards and thanked him for coming to Nac and told him how great I thought his message was. I hope he is successful.

Talking about why he thought he was elected as chair in a 7-way race:

 

He also has some good thoughts around the 6:50 mark about why a lot of dem leaning people stayed home in 2024.

Absolutely.  Show up and fight. I'll fight with you but you gotta give me something 

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22 minutes ago, Satchel said:

A majority of the voting public could not abide another four years of feeling a loss of privilege and power they experienced during Obama’s presidency. 


A "majority of the voting public" is not a majority of Americans, which is what Brisket said, nor is it what I responded to ---- and that's not even taking into account the part of Brisket's statement that the damage is irreparable. 

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Fuck all of the conservative southerner bullshit. No offense.

I respect your views and I would love to hear your suggestions on how we can field a winning campaign in 2028. 

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Post LBJ, democrats have only been elected during times of crisis except for Bill Clinton…. and that was only due to a strong 3rd party candidate AND a decision.

Winning in 2028 will mean that the nation is facing some sort of large economic catastrophe or existential event.

I have no faith in the democrats strategically make any kind of moves that help them. Our best hope is that they don’t make any decisions that alienate more of the electorate than they already have and just hope whatever terrible shit that happens doesn’t kill us all.

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9 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Post LBJ, democrats have only been elected during times of crisis except for Bill Clinton…. and that was only due to a strong 3rd party candidate AND a decision.

Winning in 2028 will mean that the nation is facing some sort of large economic catastrophe or existential event.

I have no faith in the democrats strategically make any kind of moves that help them. Our best hope is that they don’t make any decisions that alienate more of the electorate than they already have and just hope whatever terrible shit that happens doesn’t kill us all.

I love you how state that as if the odds are low we'll be in deep shit.  

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1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


A "majority of the voting public" is not a majority of Americans, which is what Brisket said, nor is it what I responded to ---- and that's not even taking into account the part of Brisket's statement that the damage is irreparable. 

It’s a fact that 92 million Americans of voting age skipped the last election. Unfortunately, considering where we are today, they don’t matter, other than taking up wasted space in the majority of Americans.

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Does anyone live in Washington? Many folks there are apparently pretty ticked off that they’ve rolled out a zero interest $100k loan for blacks and certain minorities only to buy a house in Washington state. It is only repayable when they sell it. 

https://www.homeownership-wa.org/services/bhi/

This is a backdrop to very serious debt and deficit issues facing the state as well. I really don’t think these types of programs help Democrats win elections. If anything, these programs should be economic based not race based. 

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23 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Does anyone live in Washington? Many folks there are apparently pretty ticked off that they’ve rolled out a zero interest $100k loan for blacks and certain minorities only to buy a house in Washington state. It is only repayable when they sell it. 

https://www.homeownership-wa.org/services/bhi/

This is a backdrop to very serious debt and deficit issues facing the state as well. I really don’t think these types of programs help Democrats win elections. If anything, these programs should be economic based not race based. 

Yeah...seems pretty tone-deaf.

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42 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Does anyone live in Washington? Many folks there are apparently pretty ticked off that they’ve rolled out a zero interest $100k loan for blacks and certain minorities only to buy a house in Washington state. It is only repayable when they sell it. 

https://www.homeownership-wa.org/services/bhi/

This is a backdrop to very serious debt and deficit issues facing the state as well. I really don’t think these types of programs help Democrats win elections. If anything, these programs should be economic based not race based. 

I don't know this to be true, but what if I told you that this was a program available nationally using HUD money but administered by the states, but this particular program was simply branded "for black people" in an effort to better engage with that community?  Would that change your mind? 

I'd have to dig into this one further, but bear in mind we have state (via multiple agencies) and local (both for Travis county and city of Austin) 2nd lien down-payment assistance functionally similar to each other but branded differently (this one is for teachers, this one is for first responders, this one is for veterans, etc.).  My favorite is from SETH; we don't get to use it in Travis County but last I checked, it was also a 0% down-payment assistance lien, forgivable depending on length of ownership. It's possible something of this ilk is available to EVERYONE in Washington state. 

That said, I agree with you and @Brisketexan that it's bad optics and I'd not be giving conservatives an easy target if I were them. 

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Does anyone live in Washington? Many folks there are apparently pretty ticked off that they’ve rolled out a zero interest $100k loan for blacks and certain minorities only to buy a house in Washington state. It is only repayable when they sell it. 

https://www.homeownership-wa.org/services/bhi/

This is a backdrop to very serious debt and deficit issues facing the state as well. I really don’t think these types of programs help Democrats win elections. If anything, these programs should be economic based not race based. 

Yeah. They should definitely be income based. But reading the text is seems like it is only for a very small number of low income black people:

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The Black Home Initiative (BHI) aims to create opportunities for 1,500 new low- and moderate-income Black households to own a home in South Seattle, South King County, and North Pierce County in the next 5 years.

1,500 people in a pretty small geographical area? Over 5 years? Seems likely to only be a pretty small budget item and potentially be revenue neutral in the long term.

Seems like a pretty small thing to get upset about. But yeah they probably just should have made it income based. Granted Washington has a pretty small black population compared to the rest of the US so if they did just make it income based it probably wouldn't really help in the goal of getting black people in homes. I don't know.

As for the deficit, they are one of those states with no income tax like us. We get away with it by just allowing public services state to go to shit. Maybe they should follow suit or start having an income tax.

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