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On 10/23/2025 at 10:01 PM, wildcat09 said:

If you think a guy who had an SS tattoo until literally yesterday has a chance in hell of beating Susan Collins you’re out of your mind.

Coming back to this- are you giving points? I may want action on this. 

11 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Lots of interesting data to pore through that I’m still digesting. 
 

 

“Deciding to Win,” wow. Joins other great works of self-examination like “working for money,” and “farting in the shower.”

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34 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

“farting in the shower.”

Aside from the toilet, a shower is the only other place to trust a fart. Worst case, the solution is a wafflestomp away. 

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11 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

And student loan forgiveness lmao...less popular but still popular

I hate everything

For better or worse, I think they're saying "distance yourselves from things that can be labeled socialism."  That, or don't piss off our bank and health industry donors.

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31 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

For better or worse, I think they're saying "distance yourselves from things that can be labeled socialism."  That, or don't piss off our bank and health industry donors.

Problem is - even the most milquetoast criticisms of the very real problems in our current system are met with "whell thas cuz yer SOCIALIST!!!". That kind of thinking is playing a game you can't win, because it wasn't designed for you to win.

Dems should stop playing appeasement fuck fuck games with the fascists. They aren't earnest criticisms - just a cudgel to rhetorically beat people who aren't in your tribe

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Problem is - even the most milquetoast criticisms of the very real problems in our current system are met with "whell thas cuz yer SOCIALIST!!!". That kind of thinking is playing a game you can't win, because it wasn't designed for you to win.

Dems should stop playing appeasement fuck fuck games with the fascists. They aren't earnest criticisms - just a cudgel to rhetorically beat people who aren't in your tribe

Hence the "for better or worse."  I do think, though, that as helpful and right as student loan forgiveness may be, it is perceived by many working class folks as a sop to educated elites that puts the burden on them.  They buy the "pay your debts, loser" part.

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10 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Coming back to this- are you giving points? I may want action on this. 

He just lost his second campaign manager in as many weeks and several additional reports have come out making it clear he's lying about the tattoo. You really want to bet on this guy?

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“I’m not a secret nazi” is more or less the same as “I am not a witch” in the context of electoral politics. Mills could be 99 and still get the nod over Platner next June.

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17 minutes ago, softlynow said:

“I’m not a secret nazi” is more or less the same as “I am not a witch” in the context of electoral politics. Mills could be 99 and still get the nod over Platner next June.

If anything, he's handling this issue much much worse than Christine O'Donnell handled "I am not a witch." E.g.

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He handled the reddit posts much better and much more in line with the type of response that would appeal to Democratic primary voters. This whiny shit here? This is what works in the Republican party. 

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2 minutes ago, bluto said:

Pretty well sums it up, esp when compared to the messaging machine that is the gopIMG_9150.thumb.png.371ba166563a1d24297e26fd2460cb46.png

this is a pretty dumb way to measure priorities. if you applied the exact same algorithm to the republicans the trans panic built into their platform probably would have a thousand percent increase if not more.

For one moment, I wish these people would stop and think about why the term "hate" was seen as more necessary to use in 2024 compared to 2012.

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14 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He handled the reddit posts much better and much more in line with the type of response that would appeal to Democratic primary voters. This whiny shit here? This is what works in the Republican party


So he’s a man of the people. A uniter!

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54 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

If only we knew why the second campaign manager quit

Because most of the people here will not bother to look into it, and assume the worst, his second campaign manager is expecting a baby and can't handle the long hours that the job would require. He definitely would miss Junior Day with the flu.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

He just lost his second campaign manager in as many weeks and several additional reports have come out making it clear he's lying about the tattoo. You really want to bet on this guy?

I think he’s handling this in a stupid way but it depends on what kind of points you are giving. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

I think he’s handling this in a stupid way but it depends on what kind of points you are giving. 

Depends on how my trip to Vegas this weekend goes. I'll let you know. 

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7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

But my biggest problem with the report is with the conclusion itself. The report suffers from something I’m going to call the “Strategist’s Fallacy” in politics — the tendency for campaign consultants and political strategists, especially on the Democratic side (where quantitative analysts are overwhelmingly focused on policy positions and ideological point-positions), to map their mental model of how they make political decisions onto voters. They implicitly assume all voters make choices and select candidates the same way elites do

This is extremely well said and is not only a great summarization of whats wrong with the entire mindset of the report and the party in general.

The entire idea, for example, that “Medicare for All” as a policy proposal cost Democrats votes in the aggregate is fucking retarded.

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It all boils down to nerds trying to make themselves seem useful so they can get positions of influence within campaigns and the party apparatus (to the extent that exists) to ensure lucrative careers. In a properly-functioning party these people would be treated the way Ryan Gosling treats his quant in The Big Short (but without the racism).

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55 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The report suffers from something I’m going to call the “Strategist’s Fallacy” in politics — the tendency for campaign consultants and political strategists, especially on the Democratic side (where quantitative analysts are overwhelmingly focused on policy positions and ideological point-positions), to map their mental model of how they make political decisions onto voters. They implicitly assume all voters make choices and select candidates the same way elites do. This is wrong for several reasons, which I will explain.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Because most of the people here will not bother to look into it, and assume the worst, his second campaign manager is expecting a baby and can't handle the long hours that the job would require. He definitely would miss Junior Day with the flu.

This guy is cooked if that's his friend's excuse. 

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55 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Is this guy gonna be on the ballot in June or what?

Platner? I don't see him dropping out unless a major scandal comes out. The Reddit stuff didn't hurt him at all, and Tattoogate seems not to have any traction in Maine even if it has damped the support he'd had from small-amount donors from out of state.

His candidacy and the "scandals" have been fascinating because it's rare when the most annoying tankies (people who if they vote at all vote Green Party) and the most annoying BlueSky libs (mostly Zionists) are trying to achieve the same thing but for different reasons.

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1 minute ago, Da Fino said:

This guy is cooked if that's his friend's excuse. 

He doesn't have an axe to grind the way the first manager does, and hasn't exactly thrown him under the bus, renounced his friendship, or withdrawn his support for Platner's candidacy. There will be plenty of qualified options a week from now after this election cycle concludes. The dude is still packing venues all over Maine.

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One of these days a legit ex-MAGA is going to run for office as a Dem and all of us from the Center to the left need to decide what we are going to do. Is it disqualifying?

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32 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

One of these days a legit ex-MAGA is going to run for office as a Dem and all of us from the Center to the left need to decide what we are going to do. Is it disqualifying?

Name someone who you think could one day qualify as "a legi ex-MAGA".

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33 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

One of these days a legit ex-MAGA is going to run for office as a Dem and all of us from the Center to the left need to decide what we are going to do. Is it disqualifying?

And what do we say to this hypothetical problem?

Not today…

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8 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Name someone who you think could one day qualify as "a legi ex-MAGA".

MTG is heading that way

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1 hour ago, G650 said:

MTG is heading that way

I'm not buying it.  Sure, she is publicly breaking with Johnson/MAGA on some stuff.  But she's still more MAGA than human now.

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5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I'm not buying it.  Sure, she is publicly breaking with Johnson/MAGA on some stuff.  But she's still more MAGA than human now.

I mean, I'm not predicting she will, but just an example of separation. At the end of the day, people like her are opportunists. 

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Just now, G650 said:

I mean, I'm not predicting she will, but just an example of separation. At the end of the day, people like her are opportunists. 

True.  I also wonder how much it means that someone like MTG is publicly breaking from the Republican Party?  I know she has visibility because she's a blonde who's carried the MAGA/Q-Anon banner and has done some notorious shit during her time in the House.  But does her dissent carry weight like it would coming from other Republicans?

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14 minutes ago, South Austin said:

True.  I also wonder how much it means that someone like MTG is publicly breaking from the Republican Party?  I know she has visibility because she's a blonde who's carried the MAGA/Q-Anon banner and has done some notorious shit during her time in the House.  But does her dissent carry weight like it would coming from other Republicans?

These people weren’t drawn to her because of her personality or principles, she gained a following because she owned the libs.  Once that goes, so does her usefulness to them.

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33 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

These people weren’t drawn to her because of her personality or principles, she gained a following because she owned the libs.  Once that goes, so does her usefulness to them.

But what if she starts owning the MAGA. Goes from heel to kayfabe. Weaponize her for our interests and to help us win. It's like signing Deoin Sanders away from SF for the the Cowboys superbowl run.

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Just now, Vegas64 said:

But what if she starts owning the MAGA. Goes from heel to kayfabe. Weaponize her for our interests and to help us win. It's like signing Deoin Sanders away from SF for the the Cowboys superbowl run.

Except that I don't know her constituents will follow her down that path.  It sounds like she's getting an earfull from her district on skyrocketing health insurance premiums.  But beyond that, I have doubts whether that's enough for them to cancel their premium MAGA subscriptions.

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Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

Who says it’s hypothetical?

Not in any race I can vote in. But for the record - it’s not a hard call. In the current environment, if my choice is a Republican vs ex-Republican I’m voting against the Republican.

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The real test would be someone like Joe Walsh, who was never MAGA but was definitely pre-MAGA and still doesn't align with Democrats on much, but hates MAGA more than he ever hated Dems and knows how to fight them.  

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