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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fifty and they hit it out of the park, too. As always, Dallas does everything about being a city better than Austin and decades earlier. Probably because it has much smarter voters and far stronger civic leadership both inside and outside of city government.

Dallas's civic leadership--which is to say the Citizens' Council--is problematic on a lot of levels.  But this isn't the thread for that.  It will suffice to say that you damn with faint praise when you say it's better than Austin.

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1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

Dallas's civic leadership--which is to say the Citizens' Council--is problematic on a lot of levels.  But this isn't the thread for that.  It will suffice to say that you damn with faint praise when you say it's better than Austin.

I don’t have any illusions about that but I don’t think Dallas gets enough credit for getting shit done. 
The best and most accurate description of Dallas I’ve ever read is from 1964- “five cities in the middle of nowhere.” Where Austin is and was an embarrassment of natural riches and advantage that manages to achieve very little, Dallas had nothing other than collective hustle and the will to become a world-center of industry and commerce, a great city. And it did. Something to be said for that. 

I often defend Austin’s city government on here because people act like there’s some secret inner working or cabal in charge and that’s fantasy. Virtually anyone can step into the arena in Austin and make a big difference, but people in this city are mostly too lazy and cynical to do it.
Austin’s not corrupt in a meaningful way, just myopic and small minded. This logo exercise is a good example. They just think too small. 

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30 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t have any illusions about that but I don’t think Dallas gets enough credit for getting shit done. 
The best and most accurate description of Dallas I’ve ever read is from 1964- “five cities in the middle of nowhere.” Where Austin is and was an embarrassment of natural riches and advantage that manages to achieve very little, Dallas had nothing other than collective hustle and the will to become a world-center of industry and commerce, a great city. And it did. Something to be said for that. 

I often defend Austin’s city government on here because people act like there’s some secret inner working or cabal in charge and that’s fantasy. Virtually anyone can step into the arena in Austin and make a big difference, but people in this city are mostly too lazy and cynical to do it.
Austin’s not corrupt in a meaningful way, just myopic and small minded. This logo exercise is a good example. They just think too small. 

I don't disagree with any of that.  Molly Ivins wrote about it when she characerized Dallas as "Boosterville" (she wasn't being complimentary).  Historically, Dallas is a great city in large part because it has the regional Federal Reserve Bank.  And it has that entirely because it out-hustled everyone else (primarily Houston, but also New Orleans) just before WWI.

But a lot of the shit Dallas has gotten done (or tried to get done) has been dumb, stupid, ill-advised, or outright wicked.  In the former group is the stupid-ass standing wave in the Trinity River; in the latter group is the stupid golf course in the middle of the Great Trinity Forest.

Still--the biggest thing I will say is that Dallas has real, legitimate philanthropists.  It has people who pay hundreds of millions of dollars to put their name on parks, museums, hospitals, theaters and other things build and dedicated to the public good.  Austin has none of that.  It's not that Austin doesn't have plenty of rich people; a quick drive along Highway 360 on a Saturday afternoon will disabuse you of that notion.  It's that hte rich people in Austin--with the sole exception of Michael Dell--don't have a philanthropic bone in their bodies.  There's no Perot Museum here; there's no Winspear Opera House or Meyerson Symphony Center; there's no Klyde Warren Deck Park.  And that is to this city's very great detriment.

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuck all those.  They are images of an Austin that was, not the Austin that is.

Tell your AI to give us a logo that has a techbro douche driving a cybertruck slow in the fast lane on Mopac on his way to some overcrowded new "it" joint full of 200 "influencers" all recording themselves drinking $28 cocktails and eating mediocre $30 "small plates."  That there would be an accurate brand.

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