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Just now, Jkwellborn said:


Really? I wasn’t paying attention obviously. I was thinking it was in the middle closer to the left hash. It was a dumb ass call either way.

We were shotgun then tossed another 2 yards back. At first I was like “wtf is this a rb pass”. But nope it was a -9 yard toss from the 2. 

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2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

The Golden PI to put the ball on the 2 happened with exactly 4:00 left. The drive started at 6:58.

Your goal is to score the damn touchdown, not maximize possessions. We are on the 2 yard line.

A winner would have run the plays as quickly as possible with the goal of stopping the other team, getting the ball back and scoring to win the game in regulation

Worst case scenario we kick a FG with about 3:30 left and have 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute stoppage down 4. I would trust our defense in that situation and give Day the opportunity to turtle.

Winners play the end of games a certain way. Watch Mahomes and the Chiefs 

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5 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

A winner would have run the plays as quickly as possible with the goal of stopping the other team, getting the ball back and scoring to win the game in regulation

Worst case scenario we kick a FG with about 3:30 left and have 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute stoppage down 4. I would trust our defense in that situation and give Day the opportunity to turtle.

Winners play the end of games a certain way. Watch Mahomes and the Chiefs 

This is a weird hill to die on. A winner would have focused on scoring a touchdown from the 2 because that is what would be required to even give yourself a chance at winning.

We were never kicking a FG in that situation. Ever. We were on the one yard line. Keeping a one TD game a one TD game?

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Lingering comments:

I've seen that Philly crawl used a couple of times. It looks unstoppable. Why isn't every team using it? and why is it still legal? We sure coulda used it right there.

If Arch wasn't concussed, he absolutely shoulda been in there, under center. In short ydg situations, give me a qb under center, a big ass fullback and a halfback behind him. Wouldn't have minded seeing the play we used where they snapped it thru Arch's legs directly to the RB. Also, how many times have we seen a tall, agile QB take half a step back, jump over the scrum and extend the ball with his arms into the end zone. Arch is tall - and quick. Coulda made that play and pulled it back in before fumbling. 

Bootleg right was the best call on first down. RPO. You need a quick QB, but Quinn probably coulda pulled it off. Worst case scenario, he throws the ball away.

Ewers definitely shoulda called time out on that second and one. It could indeed be one of the worst plays in UT history.

The best play Ewers made all year was probably that 4th and 13 last week. Outside of that, it was Washinigton 2.0 in the Red Zone.

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Beyond the play calling, our clock management the last 5 minutes was also unforgivable. Down 7 points we needed to score twice to win and should have been possession maxing at that point instead of running into the line on 1st downs to keep the clock moving.
Sark was content to run all the time off and tie the game to go into OT or lose

That’s who he is.
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Beyond the play calling, our clock management the last 5 minutes was also unforgivable. Down 7 points we needed to score twice to win and should have been possession maxing at that point instead of running into the line on 1st downs to keep the clock moving.
Sark was content to run all the time off and tie the game to go into OT or lose

That’s who he is.
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3 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

This is a weird hill to die on. A winner would have focused on scoring a touchdown from the 2 because that is what would be required to even give yourself a chance at winning.

We were never kicking a FG in that situation. Ever. Keeping a one TD game a one TD game?

If there was still 3 and a half minutes left when we faced 4th and goal from the 8 yard line, taking the 3 and playing defense would have been the better play. As it was, we let it run down to 2:20 and it was no longer am option. Poor clock management 

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48 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yep

Aside from the numbers advantage they also are starting outside shaded on everyone one of our guys. How was a wide toss ever supposed to work unless Wisner was supposed to catch it on the move and make a 90 degree cut straight up field. It’s horrible that we didn’t check out of this or call timeout.

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

In no world were we ever kicking a FG down 7 with 3:30 left. Sark was always going to go 4 downs in that situation. 

Yeah, Sark would never. Sark is also the kind of coach if we were down 10 with time running out, would spend all the available clock chasing the TD to cut it to 3 so the final score looks closer

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4 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

If there was still 3 and a half minutes left when we faced 4th and goal from the 8 yard line, taking the 3 and playing defense would have been the better play. As it was, we let it run down to 2:20 and it was no longer am option. Poor clock management 

You are on the 8 yard line. Turning a 7 point game into a 4 point game where you would still need to drive the length again and score is moronic.

You aren’t guaranteed addition possessions at that point of the game. Especially against the offense we were facing.

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6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Aside from the numbers advantage they also are starting outside shaded on everyone one of our guys. How was a wide toss ever supposed to work unless Wisner was supposed to catch it on the move and make a 90 degree cut straight up field. It’s horrible that we didn’t check out of this or call timeout.

I agree with someone else that Quinn should've faked a toss and booted to the right. It probably doesn't work but he could've throw it away and not taken a loss. 

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43 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

That’s my complaint.

 

 

that and Quinn not being able to hit wide open WRs.

and wide open receivers jumping for balls 5 feet off the ground and dropping them

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6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Aside from the numbers advantage they also are starting outside shaded on everyone one of our guys. How was a wide toss ever supposed to work unless Wisner was supposed to catch it on the move and make a 90 degree cut straight up field. It’s horrible that we didn’t check out of this or call timeout.

The only way I would have run a toss and even then I do not believe in a toss from the 1, I would have gone under center and ran toss and let the o-line block down the line allowing a possible cut back for wisner. But going big once then changing up the formation and running the ball off tackle or a misdirection is better than ever calling a shotgun toss play. Just mind blowing. 

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6 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

You are on the 8 yard line. Turning a 7 point game into a 4 point game where you would still need to drive the length again and score is moronic.

You aren’t guaranteed addition possessions at that point of the game. Especially against the offense we were facing.

We needed 2 scores to win the game. We only needed a TD to send the game to overtime, where it's 50/50 but we could at least hang our hats on making it to overtime. We didn't chase the win.

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2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I agree with someone else that Quinn should've faked a toss and booted to the right. It probably doesn't work but he could've throw it away and not taken a loss. 

We had a better shot at overloading the left side and running at the weak side of the defense and running an option off that to the corner with wisner than what we called. We had the numbers in our advantage in the screen shot from above to run a quick option.

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Allow someone to criticize another for questioning the sobriety of anyone and I won't be a douche bag you fucking nitwit.

 

27 minutes ago, Hondo said:

No, he said "His recovery history from alcoholism is his biggest problem. He’s too lenient and forgiving when it comes to second chances because of how he got his second chance.." and you latched onto that phrasing ("problem"), I'm guessing, because of some emotional reaction.  You've repeated "questioning someone's/Sark's sobriety" multiple times, so that's clearly your anchor.

I said I didn't read/take it that way.  I think your "questioning Sark's sobriety" is a straw man that you've latched onto.  

"The problem with/my biggest problem..." is pretty commonly used phrasing that doesn't actually mean the subject is a problem (in the negative sense).

"The problem with spending the holidays with family is that I eat way too much."  "My biggest problem with the holidays is I spend it with family and eat way too much."  Does that mean that spending time with family is a problem?  Is it a critique of family Thanksgiving/Christmas?  Of course not.

You overcommitted to what I think is a straw man, then you doubled down by acting like a douche, and now you can't gracefully back out of it.  I offered a polite "agree to disagree" and you couldn't even take that; you had to come back with a snarky comment.

You're a lightweight and that's what lightweights do.  

I was polite, you didn't take the olive branch, so now I'm not going to be polite anymore.  I've got a flight to catch, but if you want me to slap you around a little bit more, I've got a few minutes.

 

11 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

 

I quote and underlined his exact statement. Saying someone's sobriety is "Their biggest problem", is questioning their sobriety.

Read his quote and tell me how you perceived it as a positive. 

He then goes on to say that what he learned in sobriety won't cut it if you want to win titles.

I don't know how the hell you consider that not questioning his sobriety.

 

11 hours ago, Hondo said:

We disagree.  But who cares?  It's the internet.

 

11 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

There are something that aren't okay on the internet. You don't get a blind pass because you're anonymous.

 

11 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Then simply stop quoting me and move on.

@Hondo

Here is the history of our dispute over someone else's comments. 

I tried to opt out of the conversation many times and you kept coming back over and over. 

The funniest part is we are two idiots arguing over the interpretation of another posters comments.

It's regarded, and honestly we both are for having gone on this long.

We disagree on what BO&W intended. We aren't going to agree at any point.

You can have the last word.

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Something else just eating a hole in me is sark had two extended windows to talk and think thru the goal line series with the pi stoppages, plus timeouts. This wasn’t sugar bowl rush job. And that bullshit was his dead level best. 
 

and it also wasn’t a situation where we’d already run through our short yardage playbook in the game, besides the silly snap between helms legs we hadn’t shown shit on short yardage. 
 

speaking of, run that same set but have helm take the damn snap for a sneak. 

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59 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

My guy

The play is designed to take advantage of the safety hesitating or crashing down because they think it’s a run. Caleb Downs read the play immediately and he’s one of the fastest safeties in football and made a great play. Two defenders were blocked and the pulling guard was on his way to block the other defender. The safety was never gonna be blocked

No shit the safety was never gonna get blocked. That’s the god damn point. You’re leaving one of the best safeties in the country unblocked and giving him 8 yards of downhill space to attack. It’s like you’re telling us all the reasons it’s a terrible playcall but still saying it wasn’t.

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19 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Lingering comments:

I've seen that Philly crawl used a couple of times. It looks unstoppable. Why isn't every team using it? and why is it still legal? We sure coulda used it right there.

If Arch wasn't concussed, he absolutely shoulda been in there, under center. In short ydg situations, give me a qb under center, a big ass fullback and a halfback behind him. Wouldn't have minded seeing the play we used where they snapped it thru Arch's legs directly to the RB. Also, how many times have we seen a tall, agile QB take half a step back, jump over the scrum and extend the ball with his arms into the end zone. Arch is tall - and quick. Coulda made that play and pulled it back in before fumbling. 

Bootleg right was the best call on first down. RPO. You need a quick QB, but Quinn probably coulda pulled it off. Worst case scenario, he throws the ball away.

Ewers definitely shoulda called time out on that second and one. It could indeed be one of the worst plays in UT history.

The best play Ewers made all year was probably that 4th and 13 last week. Outside of that, it was Washinigton 2.0 in the Red Zone.

I know it was Conner at center but didn't Arch fumble the snap the only time he was under center this year?

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11 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I agree with someone else that Quinn should've faked a toss and booted to the right. It probably doesn't work but he could've throw it away and not taken a loss. 

with his experience he should have called a timeout.

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1 hour ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

That doesn’t at all address my statement? 
 

Let’s say we QB sneak twice, we get stopped twice. Are we really gonna be ok with trying it again?

Over a qb toss sweep? 100% of the time. Hell that was a perfect time to do one of his slow ass play actions to that side and pivot to a pass to the field side. I would have been much more ok with that failing. At least you don’t lose yards. 

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2 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

I know it was Conner at center but didn't Arch fumble the snap the only time he was under center this year?

That was on the snap. It was not good 

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3 hours ago, Hondo said:

Defender teed off on his head.  He was wobbly and actually stumbled when he got up, then had a blank stare beyond the typical Manning-face.  I'm going with the latter.

Really? JFC

Guys were dropping like flies 

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9 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

 

 

 

 

 

@Hondo

Here is the history of our dispute over someone else's comments. 

I tried to opt out of the conversation many times and you kept coming back over and over. 

The funniest part is we are two idiots arguing over the interpretation of another posters comments.

It's regarded, and honestly we both are for having gone on this long.

We disagree on what BO&W intended. We aren't going to agree at any point.

You can have the last word.

You left out a few posts, but all good.

I will assume this is an olive branch and I accept.  Enjoy your weekend, whatever that entails.  Here's to next season.  Cheers.

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If there is any consolation to last night, I think Sark finally had is Pete Carrol moment that will spur some type of change. Everyone here saw all season long the offensive hang-ups, but Sark got to showcase it in front of the entire country, millions of eyeballs. With everything on the line, cameras rolling, he just takes a shit on himself. 

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Just now, closetohumping said:

Sark is the opposite of hyper aggressive.  All brakes once we have a lead. 

He seems extremely aggressive on 4th down decisions to me, but I guess I don’t have any data to back it up. I don’t think theres a universe he sets aside his brilliance to kick a field goal inside the 5 yard line. 

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17 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

I know it was Conner at center but didn't Arch fumble the snap the only time he was under center this year?

You gotta look at a fumble (especially that one) by a star QB as a fluke. You can't let that influence your play call. Good bet he's had plenty of expert advice on taking the snap under center (inluding from two Super Bowl winners). Hell, they probably called him after that game to rib him about it.

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Sark wants to run the ball, run screens and throw deep, oline couldn't run block for shit and running backs out all year, receivers refused to block on screens so we completely quit running them, and Ewers can't throw deep but we still damn near made the championship game. Might be fun when we can actually do that shit.

5 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Gregging it 4 times in a row at the 1/2 yard line and turning it over would’ve been better than what he did last night…

and yet this thread would be the same. lol

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3 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

Sark wants to run the ball, run screens and throw deep, oline couldn't run block for shit and running backs out all year, receivers refused to block on screens so we completely quit running them, and Ewers can't throw deep but we still damn near made the championship game. Might be fun when we can actually do that shit.

and yet this thread would be the same. lol

Well, sure, people are hammering Quinn when our vaunted OL got its ass handed to it all night and our receivers could not get open most of the night.

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4 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

receivers refused to block on screens so we completely quit running them,

Golden and Moore are the only WRs that lived up to expectations this year. Moore faded down the stretch. Also for like the 10th year in a row we didn't land the top WR recruit in the state.

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6 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

Sark wants to run the ball, run screens and throw deep, oline couldn't run block for shit and running backs out all year, receivers refused to block on screens so we completely quit running them, and Ewers can't throw deep but we still damn near made the championship game. Might be fun when we can actually do that shit.

and yet this thread would be the same. lol

Yea we would. We want to score a touchdown and win big games.

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8 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Gregging it 4 times in a row at the 1/2 yard line and turning it over would’ve been better than what he did last night…

Worst case scenario there is you have OSU pinned at their own one with a couple of min left. Doubt if they'd have passed. We would have gotten the ball right back. Who knows, maybe a quick pick six. Anything coulda happened and this was one great defense.

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

No shit the safety was never gonna get blocked. That’s the god damn point. You’re leaving one of the best safeties in the country unblocked and giving him 8 yards of downhill space to attack. It’s like you’re telling us all the reasons it’s a terrible playcall but still saying it wasn’t.

I don’t think they expected the defender to follow Davis and basically sit at the line. It freed up Downs to basically do whatever he wanted. If they just bumped everything over then there would have been a hat on Downs. 

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sark has to revamp the offense, it consistently stalled against the better teams. better scripting, more variety 

better defenses came and their game plans succeeded 

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The Gtech Vandy game went to, what, 6 OTs.   Each team’s atttempt was a quick pass with some Q B motion.  Often counter to play flow.  Always appearing very well blocked, very highly practiced.   Ball is out in 1.5-2 sec to a specific read.   No sacks. 
 

we look lost down there.  We should have 6-8 well practiced 2 point conversions to usein that situation.  It seems we don’t have them.

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1 minute ago, nbmishoid said:

The Gtech Vandy game went to, what, 6 OTs.   Each team’s atttempt was a quick pass with some Q B motion.  Often counter to play flow.  Always appearing very well blocked, very highly practiced.   Ball is out in 1.5-2 sec to a specific read.   No sacks. 
 

we look lost down there.  We should have 6-8 well practiced 2 point conversions to usein that situation.  It seems we don’t have them.

Sark likes slower developing plays that highlights his intellect

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52 minutes ago, Constant said:

He seems extremely aggressive on 4th down decisions to me, but I guess I don’t have any data to back it up. I don’t think theres a universe he sets aside his brilliance to kick a field goal inside the 5 yard line. 

You’re both right. He’s aggressive on 4th downs by going for it and sark goes very conservative when we have a lead and doesn’t seem to continue doing what got us a lead. 

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Quinn's weaknesses are Arch's strengths. Mobility, physicality, footwork, pocket courage, deep ball, zip...these are all traits Arch showed consistently in his playing time this year. Yes, it was vs. inferior competition, but it was also his first real playing time. I think the offense is going to look very different next year. Doubt we see as many slow developing plays, bunch formations, and one read designs. 

 

 

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We utterly wasted one of the greatest defenses this school will ever see with that mediocre ass fucking offense. 

I’m pissed off that our HC is highly regarded as an “offensive genius”. He can’t coach around deficiencies. Everything seemingly has to be perfect but on the other sideline, they had to reshuffle their O-line all season.
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