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8 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

You're maximizing QE's bad and minimizing his good.  Yeah he had self sacks.  He also was elite at hitting the short/intermediate throw on target, which was a key missing element today.

Absolutely why we’d have won by 2 scores. Also why we’d have a lower ceiling. 

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2 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

You're maximizing QE's bad and minimizing his good.  Yeah he had self sacks.  He also was elite at hitting the short/intermediate throw on target, which was a key missing element today.

The data shows that he was not elite at the intermediate stuff.  He was excellent one season when he had the fastest combo of WRs ever that created significant separation.

So we start from there.

It’s likely we win with Ewers, but who here is comfortable saying we efficiently score inside the 10?  That’s part of the equation. It is not apparent that we missed wide open deep shots so that efficiency may come into play.

There is the potential that opening game timing makes life more difficult too. A tad anyway.  The 3rd down miss to Wingo on the last drive.  Wingo needs to catch that.  There  may be an element to not throttling it down.  We’ve all heard it said the most improvement occurs between weeks 1 and 2.  Timing is likely part of that.  You also can take a cue from Joe Burrow who played this preseason in an attempt to start stronger.  Why do you think that is?

I was curious last year and still am about what’s drilled into the QBs regarding being cautious as that can be turned into a negative.

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1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

There is the potential that opening game timing makes life more difficult too. A tad anyway.  The 3rd down miss to Wingo on the last drive.  Wingo needs to catch that.  There  may be an element to not throttling it down.  We’ve all heard it said the most improvement occurs between weeks 1 and 2.  Timing is likely part of that.  You also can take a cue from Joe Burrow who played this preseason in an attempt to start stronger.  Why do you think that is?

You play the schedule you get.  Sayin didn't seem to have accuracy issues.

That last toss to Wingo can't be on him.  You're asking a WR who has created separation and has nothing but green field in front of him to anticipate that his QB is going to put it short and behind and throttle down?  That's dumb.  Arch straight up missed that throw, it wasn't even behind it was WAY behind him, and Wingo had to stop and contort his torso just to get a finger on it.  If it was on target that was a first down minimum and potentially even an explosive play.

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13 minutes ago, Derka said:

i’m simply pointing out that the exact, specific type of defense that tosu played today gave quinn ewers nightmares at Texas, and that arch had none of the negative plays against that type of defense that QE was famous for. i’m not maximizing what was bad about QE, i’m pointing out that tOSU’s defense today would have been specifically designed to maximize what he struggled with. 

You just did it again. No mention of arch playing like dog shit and no mention that in that game QE threw for nearly 300 and had two TDs and jack sawyer and a senior QB ain’t on this tOSU team. 

you’re over your skis on this one bud. 

Wulaw has it right QE has a higher floor and Arch has a higher ceiling but the talk about what if Arch started the last two years is pretty much known now. 

Texas wins with QE today because the defense played lights out, and QE would have done enough like he did on the road at bama, against OU twice and on the road at Michigan. Texas lost today because arch couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.  
 

As for sark, he did the same shit last season, he’s not a great play caller and he does his offensive players a real disservice with his game management. Arch suffered from it but so did Quinn. 

everyone in this discussion knows QE would have self sacked a couple of times but you know what? Arch threw an INT and missed more passes that QE makes coming and going. 

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The ONLY point of we would have won with Quinn today is to put to rest the idea that Sark left two national titles on the table out of some fealty to Quinn. 

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Wingo also dropped a pass that hit him in the hands.

Just a shit offensive day for both teams. Their OC did their QB more favors. Only when our backs were against the wall Steve pull his head out his ass. 

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7 minutes ago, troph said:

The ONLY point of we would have won with Quinn today is to put to rest the idea that Sark left two national titles on the table out of some fealty to Quinn. 

This can't be, because I know I've read multiple Derka posts on this thread about how Quinn was the 4th best QB on campus and Sark had "a fucking Manning" rested and ready on the bench.

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8 minutes ago, troph said:

The ONLY point of we would have won with Quinn today is to put to rest the idea that Sark left two national titles on the table out of some fealty to Quinn. 

This. Ewers was bad last year. But clearly Arch wasn’t ready. Hope he gets there

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On 8/27/2025 at 10:28 AM, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, because he's not a piece of shit. He loved his teammates, and he liked Austin, but he hasn't been back willingly and hasn't affiliated himself with Texas at all. For a reason.

CTJ and I have worked with a woman who dated Simms for awhile in college. She is a foreigner, and doesn't give any fucks about football, which was a big appeal for Simms. She tells some pretty horrific stories about how he was treated on campus. Prank phone calls at all hours, death threats after bad games, being jeered and heckled when he was on campus by other students. Imagine being Chris Simms, looking like he looked, and basically locking yourself in your apartment with a woman who didn't understand or give a fuck about football as a refuge from the shit he received. 

And it's pretty obvious a lot of those kids heckled him have moved onto message boards.

After the 2003 Cotton Bowl, which I attended on a press pass, I was in the press room with the team.  Went up to Simms shook his hand, said "great game," and thanked him for his efforts or sacrifice or something to that effect.  He looked really startled by that.

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And it’s the only good thing that can come out of today. Now we can put this shit behind us and hope sark and arch pull their heads out of each others asses

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

i’m simply pointing out that the exact, specific type of defense that tosu played today gave quinn ewers nightmares at Texas, and that arch had none of the negative plays against that type of defense that QE was famous for. i’m not maximizing what was bad about QE, i’m pointing out that tOSU’s defense today would have been specifically designed to maximize what he struggled with. 

Not the same defense my guy. Those two nightmare DEs they had are gone. Arch had a ton of time to throw. We didn't whiff on a single block on pass pro. Even with all that pass rush QE still threw for almost 3 hundo and two tuddys. Arch will get his shit together but you "we lost the NC because Arch wasn't playing" guys need to eat crow. 

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3 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

If Arch starts more games last year he has the experience to win this. Whatever. He gets it either way, we live in a world where we can still get in the playoff.

And that might be true. But Quinn made sense last year if you weren’t going to go to arch at the OU point in the season and deal with it. 

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Maybe Sark reads this thread and put “training wheels” on Arch so that everyone would think he made the right decision last year. Now that that’s taken care of, we can expect the full Sark offense. Whew.

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1 minute ago, Drifterwood said:

Maybe Sark reads this thread and put “training wheels” on Arch so that everyone would think he made the right decision last year. Now that that’s taken care of, we can expect the full Sark offense. Whew.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

i can only assume that you all have completely purged QE’s play from your memory if you can’t realize that tOSU’s first half defense- blanketing our wr’s while the pocket held strong- would have seen quinn ewers repeatedly self sacking as he was as skittish as a baby deer on ice in the pocket, and as he had a penchant for turtling and freaking out whenever his first read wasn’t open, even when he wasn’t under any pressure. if QE was out there today he’s taking 8-10 yard sacks throughout the first half, and we’re down by double digits if not 2+ tds at half time. arch was really bad throwing the ball today, but he didn’t kill us in the pocket like quinn did routinely.

You're making up a scenario that never occurred and acting like it's reality. You know what did occur?

  • Quinn went to Alabama and played an incredible game.
  • Quinn played two superlative games against OU that were better than Vince Young did against OU.
  • Quinn played a game against Michigan that had him mentioned in early Heisman talk, before he was injured. 

I'm not saying Arch won't get there, and I hope he does, but until he does, he hasn't done shit. 

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

i feel very strongly that many of you in here are being prisoners of the moment. Arch didn’t do anything to put us into a hole in the 1h despite routinely going through all of his reads and having to either dump it off to the safety valve or try and make a play with his legs. quinn would not even have gone through those progressions, he would have seen his first option covered, turtled in the pocket under no pressure, and then either run into the back of his own linemen or run backwards opening a lane for a pass rusher to drop him. 

one offseason and y’all have forgotten the entire last three years.

 Giving Arch a pass for the pile of shit he left on the field after the way you've picked apart Quinn's game sure is interesting. Other people are prisoners of the moment?

This Arch game will grade out worse than QE's worst graded performance.  Being completely and utterly inept at QB puts your team in a gigantic hole.

 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Giving Arch a pass for the pile of shit he left on the field

where did i do that? i’ve made 5+ posts about how shitty he was today and zero posts giving him a pass. you guys love to make shit up out of thin air and then get mad at me about it lol. 

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15 minutes ago, Drifterwood said:

Maybe Sark reads this thread and put “training wheels” on Arch so that everyone would think he made the right decision last year. Now that that’s taken care of, we can expect the full Sark offense. Whew.

Careful, the Quinnspiracy theorists are going to really run with that.

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it’s already becoming clear that a bunch of y’all are going to be super disappointed that i’m going to come here and criticize arch when he doesn’t play well instead of pledging my undying loyalty to dear leader like y’all did. always funny when bad actors assume everyone else is just like them.

also funny how it took exactly one bad game by arch for this site to completely rewrite who QE was as a qb. Quinn Ewers last year, with a far superior supporting cast:

•lost every game vs an equal opponent

•couldn’t move the ball against kentucky, arkansas, or a&m

•was super sloppy vs vandy 

•tried his best to lose to a mid asu team 

•ranked 12th out of 14 qbs in the sec, 200th in the nation 

•nearly went undrafted 

shaggy, today: “quinn ewers absolutely, unequivocally, factually goes on the road vs the best team in america and routes tOSU with this inferior offense, and anyone who disagrees is wrong and incapable of being objective.”

lol ok.

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2 minutes ago, Derka said:

it’s already becoming clear that a bunch of y’all are going to be super disappointed that i’m going to come here and criticize arch when he doesn’t play well instead of pledging my undying loyalty to dear leader like y’all did. always funny when bad actors assume everyone else is just like them.

Holy shit.  People are being very critical of Arch.  You're not some unicorn, but you are definitely sniffing your own farts.  Take a fucking break, you really need it.

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12 minutes ago, Derka said:

where did i do that? i’ve made 5+ posts about how shitty he was today and zero posts giving him a pass. you guys love to make shit up out of thin air and then get mad at me about it lol. 

"Joe QB didn’t do anything to put us into a hole in the 1h despite routinely going through all of his reads and having to either dump it off to the safety valve or try and make a play with his legs."

If I posted that about a game in which we had 0 points and 79 yards of offense at halftime, how would you interpret my take on the QB play?

I haven't read your 5+ other posts. Just the one I quoted. If this is how you comnunicate Arch being awful, OK. Glad you're in agreement he was worse than Quinn ever was in a single game here.

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You're making up a scenario that never occurred and acting like it's reality. You know what did occur?
  • Quinn went to Alabama and played an incredible game.
  • Quinn played two superlative games against OU that were better than Vince Young did against OU.
  • Quinn played a game against Michigan that had him mentioned in early Heisman talk, before he was injured. 
I'm not saying Arch won't get there, and I hope he does, but until he does, he hasn't done shit. 

I’m not here to shit on Quinn, but don’t act like those two ou teams Quinn beat were remotely close to what VY faced. Quinn was pretty good in big games he had extended time to prepare for though
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god damn y’all stay so angry. it’s really funny how often i get painted as the one who’s angry, hypersensitive, and combative by all of the people who embody those traits as they constantly look to start internet fights (often in bad faith) when an adult conversation would work just fine (cue the goof troop gallery comments about pots and kettles). i won’t hold my breath on any of them ever realizing that it’s true, but it’ll still be funny.

and ftr, here’s an excerpt of the last post i made before CD told me that i was giving arch a pass for today: 

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what’s weird is that arch looked worse today than he ever has for Texas, and it had nothing to do with tOSU’s defense. he was shitty even when he had a clean pocket and all day to throw.

i know it must be flummoxing to see someone being critical of the qb that he previously praised, but this is how normal, objective, rational people give their takes.

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25 minutes ago, Derka said:

it’s already becoming clear that a bunch of y’all are going to be super disappointed that i’m going to come here and criticize arch when he doesn’t play well instead of pledging my undying loyalty to dear leader like y’all did. always funny when bad actors assume everyone else is just like them.

also funny how it took exactly one bad game by arch for this site to completely rewrite who QE was as a qb. Quinn Ewers last year, with a far superior supporting cast:

•lost every game vs an equal opponent

•couldn’t move the ball against kentucky, arkansas, or a&m

•was super sloppy vs vandy 

•tried his best to lose to a mid asu team 

•ranked 12th out of 14 qbs in the sec, 200th in the nation 

•nearly went undrafted 

shaggy, today: “quinn ewers absolutely, unequivocally, factually goes on the road vs the best team in america and routes tOSU with this inferior offense, and anyone who disagrees is wrong and incapable of being objective.”

lol ok.

Not sure you noticed but we Bond was missing most of the season. We basically had Golden and Tre Wisner. Some of you have to get past this ide we were loaded offensively. We were not. 

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48 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

You're making up a scenario that never occurred and acting like it's reality. You know what did occur?

  • Quinn went to Alabama and played an incredible game.
  • Quinn played two superlative games against OU that were better than Vince Young did against OU.
  • Quinn played a game against Michigan that had him mentioned in early Heisman talk, before he was injured. 

I'm not saying Arch won't get there, and I hope he does, but until he does, he hasn't done shit. 

1)the alabama game was ages ago, we are specifically talking about QE from last season 

2)LMAO

3)michigan went 6-6

last year, on a much more loaded offense, quinn struggled regularly, and never beat a team with equal talent. but sure, absolutely, that guy just walks into the horseshoe today with an inferior team and just cake walks all over the best team in america. for suuuurrreeeee.

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It's perfectly reasonable to talk about Quinn's self-sacks and poor deep balls.

Why isn't it perfectly reasonable to talk about Arch's poor short and intermediate passing?

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's perfectly reasonable to talk about Quinn's self-sacks and poor deep balls.

Why isn't it perfectly reasonable to talk about Arch's poor short and intermediate passing?

It is perfectly reasonable. 

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55 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

 Giving Arch a pass for the pile of shit he left on the field after the way you've picked apart Quinn's game sure is interesting. Other people are prisoners of the moment?

This Arch game will grade out worse than QE's worst graded performance.  Being completely and utterly inept at QB puts your team in a gigantic hole.

 

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Quinn was this bad at ok state his first year. That’s all I have. 

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39 minutes ago, Derka said:

it’s already becoming clear that a bunch of y’all are going to be super disappointed that i’m going to come here and criticize arch when he doesn’t play well instead of pledging my undying loyalty to dear leader like y’all did. always funny when bad actors assume everyone else is just like them.

also funny how it took exactly one bad game by arch for this site to completely rewrite who QE was as a qb. Quinn Ewers last year, with a far superior supporting cast:

•lost every game vs an equal opponent

•couldn’t move the ball against kentucky, arkansas, or a&m

•was super sloppy vs vandy 

•tried his best to lose to a mid asu team 

•ranked 12th out of 14 qbs in the sec, 200th in the nation 

•nearly went undrafted 

shaggy, today: “quinn ewers absolutely, unequivocally, factually goes on the road vs the best team in america and routes tOSU with this inferior offense, and anyone who disagrees is wrong and incapable of being objective.”

lol ok.

Disagree on far superior cast. This defense is awesome. The line and running game was better than it was last year against OsU. 

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Where have you gone, Quinn Ewers? 

A portion of Surly turns its lonely eyes to you. Woo woo woo.

What's that you say, Mrs. Robinson?

Quinn Ewers has gone to be the play football near Biscayne Bay, hey hey hey. Hey hey hey. 

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1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

If Arch starts more games last year he has the experience to win this. Whatever. He gets it either way, we live in a world where we can still get in the playoff.

I don’t think more college starts help him not throw 10 passes under the knees of his WRs

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2 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

The line and running game was better than it was last year against OsU. 

Correct.

CFP semifinal:  29 attempts, 58 yards, 2.0 ypc

Today:  37 attempts, 166 yards, 4.5 ypc 

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5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don’t think more college starts help him not throw 10 passes under the knees of his WRs

God I hope this is a one off. Hit a few more throws and we win.

 

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32 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Not sure you noticed but we Bond was missing most of the season. We basically had Golden and Tre Wisner. Some of you have to get past this ide we were loaded offensively. We were not. 

I need you to do a little math for me.

Just how many Texas teams have had a 1st round WR, a 5th round TE, a 5th round RB, a 1st round LT, a draftable RT and LG?  For Texas, yes, that is loaded.

Bonus question. In the past two years, other than Livingston, who has scored TDs versus Ohio State?

 

Go back and watch that Wingo throw on the OSU 7 or so.  All Wingo had to do was run 4 yards and post up.  That crosser inside the 10 isn’t the easiest.  I’m not saying he should miss it, but it’s damn more difficult than hitting it quick.  Trying to hit that window with a moving target in a condensed field does have some complexities.

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5 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I need you to do a little math for me.

Just how many Texas teams have had a 1st round WR, a 5th round TE, a 5th round RB, a 1st round LT, a draftable RT and LG?  For Texas, yes, that is loaded.

Bonus question. In the past two years, other than Livingston, who has scored TDs versus Ohio State?

 

Go back and watch that Wingo throw on the OSU 7 or so.  All Wingo had to do was run 4 yards and post up.  That crosser inside the 10 isn’t the easiest.  I’m not saying he should miss it, but it’s damn more difficult than hitting it quick.  Trying to hit that window with a moving target in a condensed field does have some complexities.

We had three skill position guys drafted. Our offense wasn't some juggernaut. Meanwhile look at the OSU offense. None of the top teams would trade their skill guys for ours. 

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We had three skill position guys drafted. Our offense wasn't some juggernaut. Meanwhile look at the OSU offense. None of the top teams would trade their skill guys for ours. 

You answered no questions.

 

I am aware it’s no juggernaut.  The question is - should it be?

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4 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Ok now we all know why he started. 1 million apologies to Ewers

But this a dumbass assumption.  Same as those assuming we win it all last year with a different QB.

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Last year you could tell from Arch’s limited appearances he really wasn’t ready to be the #1 QB. Despite playing reasonably well, you could see his limitations. 

Today’s poor performance was shocking. Not only was it not better, it was substantially worse than last year. As a result, it really isn’t unreasonable to make the argument that Quinn might have played much better and might have pulled out a win.  But since that could never happen, why revisit history?

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16 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

You answered no questions.

 

I am aware it’s no juggernaut.  The question is - should it be?

We weren't as good as Ohio State from a roster standpoint. Ohio State is the gold standard. They were literally better than us at every level except QB. Teams like them and Georgia have been collecting top level talent for years. It isn't really that hard. We lost to who we were supposed to lose to if you look at it realistically. In 2023 we had no pass rush and so we lost to the two teams where lacking those things was going to hurt you the most. Last year WE lost to the only two teams we played with elite pass rushes who could simultaneously shut down our run game. Everyone else had a flaw that got exposed except those two. You can have 85 NFL level NTs but that really isn't going to help you against Penix or Gabriel. Just the same if you look at the OSU game from last year we couldn't get to Howard at all. Same thing happened today. We have holes on this team that really hurt us against quality opponents. Those holes have shown up consistently and they really don't care about our draft count. 

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