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Posted

I’ve said it before - there’s a subset of non-Trump supporters who almost want him to get off so they can either:

Say “I told you so” or bitch and moan about Biden/Garland/Smith/those do nothing Democrats for letting it happen 

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Posted

There's a little part of me that hopes he skates.  Because the ensuing violent lash-out from MAGA nation could actually get legit outta control.  And the other reason is I am absolutely taking lots and lots of hard drugs that week, and I'm not really sure my body can take it anymore.  

Posted
1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Because every single American who has ever watched a movie or a television set has roughly the same idea of what an FBI raid is in their minds.

Which proves two things:

1. How intellectually limited the average American really is

2. How spectacularly soft the American Right is in particular

Seriously...mental toughness? That ain't their game. Their game is being a 24/7 victim. 

"They're gonna take our guns away"
"They're gonna take our gas stoves away"
"Trump is being persecuted for being a conservative"
"Trump is being persecuted for being a Christian"
"I'm persecuted because I'm conservative"
"I'm persecuted because I'm a Christian"
"Trump's house was raided because Biden is weaponizing the Justice Department"
"Death panels"
"The homosexual agenda"
"The LGBTQ agenda"
"The atheist agenda"
"CRT"
"Obama's madrassa army of angry negro ACORN volunteers"
"Saul Alinsky"
"Antifa"
"Communism"
"Marxism"
"Socialism"
"Fascism"
"Anarchism"
"Sharia Law"
"Immigration caravans"
"MS-13"
"Obamacare Death Panels"
"Chem trails"
"Jade Helm 15"
"Water turning frogs homosexual"
"The illuminati"
"The federal reserve"
"The IRS"

They're always a victim of everything except their own piss poor decisions...and yet they're always bragging about how they're the "mature, adult, personal responsibility" people. Whatever.

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

 If the Secret Service opened fire on the FBI in the home of a former President, I'm pretty sure that may have made the news somewhere.  

Right, but who needs reality when we have Donald Trump saying words, amirite?

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Posted
1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

There's a little part of me that hopes he skates.  Because the ensuing violent lash-out from MAGA nation could actually get legit outta control.  And the other reason is I am absolutely taking lots and lots of hard drugs that week, and I'm not really sure my body can take it anymore.  

The only person that showed up and was arrested for his  arraignment in Miami was a liberal dressed like the Hamburglar who was trolling Trump.

A small amount of MAGA showed up on January 6th to fuck around, and they are now in the finding out phase, and thanks to their finding out (losing jobs, going to jail, being dragged through the media, etc), the rest of MAGA has decided they have better things to do.  Plus they do have a backup in DeSantis.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The only person that showed up and was arrested for his  arraignment in Miami was a liberal dressed like the Hamburglar who was trolling Trump.

A small amount of MAGA showed up on January 6th to fuck around, and they are now in the finding out phase, and thanks to their finding out (losing jobs, going to jail, being dragged through the media, etc), the rest of MAGA has decided they have better things to do.  Plus they do have a backup in DeSantis.

I want to believe this so badly. That they will fold and go home. But it’s too dangerous to think that way. We have to proceed as if they are coming out in armed droves. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

1. prison 2. President.  That's his fate IMO.  

Suppose both, can a felon be elected? Can a President serve from his prison cell? 

according to the founding fathers, if he's white, probably

Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Just when I thought my dick couldn’t get any harder. Bury this piece of shit- and all that enabled him. 

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

That would be over 100 counts total so far, yes?


the best 100+ indictments ever, some would say they’re ‘perfect’

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Posted

So by the time we get to Georgia and the NY financial crimes, he could be above the Mendoza line in crimes?  Impressive.  

You gotta give him this though, he has the most fascinating Myers-Briggs results in human history:

A) Gameshow Host

B) Incarcerated Felon

C) Like Grover Cleveland, serve two non-consecutive terms as President of the United States

D) Steak Purveyor 

Posted
1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Dies? Dies would be an improvement. Everything he touches full on fucking explodes.

Trump University
Trump hotels
Trump Casinos
Trump Steaks
Trump Airlines
Trump Mortgage
The Plaza Hotel
The USFL

And yet what did he run on in 2016? The idea that he's a successful businessman that was financing his own campaign. HA!

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Posted
1 hour ago, NAVY said:

I understand this sentiment, but the only way out is through. Motherfuckers want to throw down? well then let’s go. This is our watch. Generations to follow need us to stand the fucking watch. Aye aye 

This.

Some of you say "MAGA dipshits taking up arms against the US is a crisis!"

I say "MAGA dipshits taking up arms against the US is a golden opportunity to solve the problem of us having a buncha MAGA dipshits."  Hey, MAGA superpatriotsecondamendmentguy.....

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Posted
14 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Dies? Dies would be an improvement. Everything he touches full on fucking explodes.

Trump University
Trump hotels
Trump Casinos
Trump Steaks
Trump Airlines
Trump Mortgage
The Plaza Hotel
The USFL

National Security

Thousand+ idiot followers on 1/6

Dozens of lawyers, politicians, and sycophants who have had to strike deals with the government to avoid prison time. 

Mike Pence's claim to heterosexuality

Rudy Giuliani 

The republican's hopes in 2018, 2020, 2022

Whatever remaining shred of the veil of normalcy and dignity of the republican party 

The entire country of Russia

 

This man's path of destruction is Genghis Khan levels

 

Posted
10 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

This man's path of destruction is Genghis Khan levels

Send that fucker to be president of OU. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

I think I'd be surprised if there were additional document-related charges this soon after the initial indictment, or really ever.  Smith obviously has a very solid case and a superseding indictment would seem to indicate that he stumbled on something, like communication to a foreign subject or entity that really ups the ante.  Anything is possible, I suppose, but that seems to go against what we've seen of Smith's diligence and preparation.  More of the same ol shit doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

That they seem to be "branching out" from the core 1/6 case:  conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, or possibly even seditious conspiracy, into related crimes does seem to indicate that maybe 1/6 charges are coming soon.

Note that I draw a distinction here between the false electors as its own crime and as an element of the conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.

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Posted
18 hours ago, Foosters said:

No shit?

Aced some McCombs law classes, helped a few young ladies through their law degrees.. And paid for a couple years for two. 

So, yeah, no shit. Law school is undefeated. 

Posted
11 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Or a reader, since you seem to have missed the 9 times on this thread before your last post explaining how this is completely irrelevant to the DOJ’s case. There aren’t trying to prove he had a classified document in his hand at that moment. The audio proves he understood that a process exists to classify documents, and therefore by not doing it with the documents he claimed previously he had, and moving them around and having his lawyers certify falsely he had lore documents, he was willfully obstructing. 

I'm not reading all the shit in CR, man... You know better. 

Hell, I'm not reading all the shit on shaggy surly... This is not why I am here. 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

The idea that a recorded admission isn't evidence is laughable. The idea that "beyond a reasonable doubt" requires absolute proof completely ignores the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt. But ultimately none of this matters for the actual charges brought. They can prove he had classified documents. They can prove he knew they were classified. They can prove he not only refused to turn them over, but actively hid them from investigators and even his own lawyers. And, from the indictment and the audio tapes, I'd say they can come damn close to proving those things with absolute certainty, much less beyond any reasonable doubt. 

I'm not doubting the case. I'm doubting the recording is proof of anything other than 'I can't declassify docs now in 2021.'

Was the doc in conversation classified at all? Dunno. Can't prove. Hell, it might not have even been a real govt doc. Cat has a fake presidential seal and likes to make shit up.

Do I believe that? Nope. Could I convict on it? Nope.

I find the tape barely relevant, but it's conversational on interwebs. 

Of course, in shaggysurlyland, you're either right or wrong all the way. There is no gray, except for...

OK... Enough ads for today. Going back to sports. 

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Posted
Just now, Slacks said:

I'm not doubting the case. I'm doubting the recording is proof of anything other than 'I can't declassify docs now in 2021.'

Was the doc in conversation classified at all? Dunno. Can't prove. Hell, it might not have even been a real govt doc. Cat has a fake presidential seal and likes to make shit up.

Do I believe that? Nope. Could I convict on it? Nope.

I find the tape barely relevant, but it's conversational on interwebs. 

Of course, in shaggysurlyland, you're either right or wrong all the way. There is no gray, except for...

You absolutely can convict on a recorded fucking admission that the doc I'm looking at is classified. And it is definitely relevant. It is completely, entirely, and totally idiotic to state otherwise.

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

You absolutely can convict on a recorded fucking admission that the doc I'm looking at is classified. And it is definitely relevant. It is completely, entirely, and totally idiotic to state otherwise.

What doc did he look at? 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Slacks said:

What doc did he look at? 

Well, if I had access to the classified documents, I'm pretty sure I could figure what classified document or documents on war with Iran he was pointing to, not that I think proving the contents of that particular document matters. 

Posted

NSIAP---where did that interview with the book writer/editor with Trump actually take place?  Was it on the Mar-a-Lago property?  

Posted
12 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

His GC in Bedminster.

So he moved some of them yet again to yet another unsecured location?  Brilliant move dude.  Was he drunk packing at Mar-a-Lago?  "Well, I'm gonna need some longer ties.  Maybe these cuff-links, my shaving kit (for such a wrinkled man with so many chins, he's remarkably smooth shaven), these three pairs of shoes, 7 classified documents to not read, and my lucky ladies watch"     

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It has been reported that the Iran doc is not among those cited in the indictment and forming the bases of the 793 violations, and that no one can find it.

So, yeah, that tape is not going to help convict him of any single count of the indictment, but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

 

I know it has no legal bearing on the case the specific contents of whatever he waved around, but the national security apparatus is sure as shit fucking worried about losing the main wargame manual for invading the country currently supplying a large portion of weaponry to the country currently invading Ukraine.  Not a great time geopolitically for those four countries to be involved in anything like that.  Just fuels the Iranians to more deeply support Russia.  I'd feel better if he'd lost a copy of "Iraq Part III:  This Time we Mean It!"  

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

"Look at it!", he said to a random staffer.

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17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It has been reported that the Iran doc is not among those cited in the indictment and forming the bases of the 793 violations, and that no one can find it.

So, yeah, that tape is not going to help convict him of any single count of the indictment, but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

 

Right, and be clear to at @Slacks, I don't think you could convict solely on a single audio tape. But I do think it is highly relevant to the case generally, and, when combined with everything else, makes a near slam dunk case. Arguing that the audio recording is only "barely" relevant is fucking asinine. 

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Posted

He explains on tape the classification process is in fact not, "by thinking about", but describes the real one in pretty good detail.  He coulda been holding up nudes of Ivanka on the tape, it's what he said not what he was holding.  I don't think Jack Smith left the Hague months before Russian war crimes were likely gonna start because an asst. AG heard there might be a tape in a publishing house's office where Trump is heard to be crinkling around some paper.  

I also forget that there are still a lot of people who think the FBI planted those documents at Mar-a-Lago.  And surely some of them have now heard this tape.  And the mental gymnastics they have to going through right now.  

-So if the FBI planted them just before the raid, how does he have some with him several months before in New Jersey?

"Well, what musta happened is.  Uh, you see.  He.  The FBI is corrupt and must be defunded"

-Oh you know what, I bet I know what happened.  The FBI has this classified documents booth at Langley where ex-Presidents can sign out very sensitive materials for the weekend, for like a golf trip or staycation.  I bet he checked them out legally, returned them, and then when he went back to golf, they flew them down to plant at Mar-a-Lago for that violent raid they conducted.  Right?

"See, that's what I'm talking about.  It's all legal, it's all on the up and up!"  

There's ignorance, it's a mental shortcut.  There's being dumb.  That's a temporary state of being outside your normal mental boundaries (we all do and say dumb shit every day despite our acuities).  There's being an idiot or moron, but that's usually a born condition that is really hard to break free from and were legit medical terms for decades. 

But I am noticing the MAGA stupidity takes real, actual work.  They have to try to get to these insane assumptions and conclusions.  They're expending the same amount of calories to create the same amount of neurological activity with the same amount of oxygen it takes to write a song or a poem or conduct a lab experiment or draft a business memo.  All to arrive at the stupidest shit American socio-politics has ever generated.  It's almost remarkable in a way.

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Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I want to believe this so badly. That they will fold and go home. But it’s too dangerous to think that way. We have to proceed as if they are coming out in armed droves. 

He was in the White House begging people to show up, claiming the election was stolen and that he was being illegally booted out of office, and the relatively small amount that showed up on J6 are doing jailtime, losing jobs, etc.

They have DeSantis in the wings.  It's not about the man, it's about the amount of hate he stirs up, and if he's in jail or sidelined, somebody else can tap into that hate.

4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

they're arresting trolls now? half this board better watch out

Trolls that wonder out in front of a motorcade with a bunch of Secret Service agents.  Kind of cuts down on the number of Surly posters.  Plus Surly trolls have better things to do, like go to airports and ask for Nick Saban to be paged over the intercom.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

We better do good in football this fall or else shit will suck.

Even if our football team sucks this year (they won't), you can always pick up a t-shirt for another team..

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Posted
4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think I'd be surprised if there were additional document-related charges this soon after the initial indictment, or really ever.  Smith obviously has a very solid case and a superseding indictment would seem to indicate that he stumbled on something, like communication to a foreign subject or entity that really ups the ante.  Anything is possible, I suppose, but that seems to go against what we've seen of Smith's diligence and preparation.  More of the same ol shit doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

That they seem to be "branching out" from the core 1/6 case:  conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, or possibly even seditious conspiracy, into related crimes does seem to indicate that maybe 1/6 charges are coming soon.

Note that I draw a distinction here between the false electors as its own crime and as an element of the conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.

And, just my opinion, but you are going to be wrong.  Not all the dots connected on the original indictment, like the fact that Meadows wasn't even mentioned in it.  He was there and either objected or supervised the original theft, and he knew they were doing it.  If you think only two people are going down for this, Trump and Notgonnabefreenaymore, I think you are mistaken.  Habba is as well as Meadows (unless his cooperating deal gives him a pass).  The original indictment really only covered crimes after the original crime.  Additionally, there will be more people indicted over this.  So yes, I do believe their will be a superseding indictment for more document crimes, and it will tried in Washington (maybe New Jersey as well).  

Everything I've ever read about Smith indicates that he is tough and thorough, but fair and professional.  Now you have a man making thinly veiled threats at his family.  You think he's not going for the jugular?  He's bring a thermonuclear weapon to a knife fight.  Essentially, he's going to go for every single crime he can convict him on, and not one stone will be left unturned if feels he can get a conviction.  

 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

And, just my opinion, but you are going to be wrong.  Not all the dots connected on the original indictment, like the fact that Meadows wasn't even mentioned in it.  He was there and either objected or supervised the original theft, and he knew they were doing it.  If you think only two people are going down for this, Trump and Notgonnabefreenaymore, I think you are mistaken.  Habba is as well as Meadows (unless his cooperating deal gives him a pass).  The original indictment really only covered crimes after the original crime.  Additionally, there will be more people indicted over this.  So yes, I do believe their will be a superseding indictment for more document crimes, and it will tried in Washington (maybe New Jersey as well).  

Everything I've ever read about Smith indicates that he is tough and thorough, but fair and professional.  Now you have a man making thinly veiled threats at his family.  You think he's not going for the jugular?  He's bring a thermonuclear weapon to a knife fight.  Essentially, he's going to go for every single crime he can convict him on, and not one stone will be left unturned if feels he can get a conviction.  

 

I was mostly confining myself to a superseding indictment of Trump and or Nauta, that is, "this case."  When you start bringing in other defendants, and certainly when you're in other venues, you're not talking  about a superseding indictment.

I'd love to see Habba get indicted, but I haven't seen any evidence of her involvement. I don't know about Meadows.

Being a pro means you disregard assholes threatening your family, except insofar as you can bring charges for that.  And, I believe that he didn't bring this indictment if he felt, even intutitively, that there were other, additional crimes that could be charged.  That doesn't mean he didn't stumble across something in another investigation, but I don't think that continuing to beat the bushes for more similar counts is really consistent with what we've seen of him.

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26 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

 

Everything I've ever read about Smith indicates that he is tough and thorough, but fair and professional.  Now you have a man making thinly veiled threats at his family.  You think he's not going for the jugular?  He's bring a thermonuclear weapon to a knife fight.  Essentially, he's going to go for every single crime he can convict him on, and not one stone will be left unturned if feels he can get a conviction.  

 

The man has been looked at in the eye by warlords, despots, mercenaries, and professional assassins and told they would find his family and hurt them after the Hague.  

Couple of gravy seals who'll probably post their intentions on social media ahead of time are likely not gonna scare this guy off course.  

That said, Smith is following a textbook play with narcissist career criminals.  Rile them up so they do something even more stupid to keep the coverup alive.  I'm guessing Smith thought "more obstruction, flee the country temporarily, make some rash financial decisions, finger bang Ivanka."  Then he reads the truth social post, "Wait, what?  That's his stupid move, mentioning my family.  It was already on.  Now it's?  Extra-on?  Super-on?  Dammit, I had something for this!  Got it, given our target...it's MORE-ON!" 

I love his thoroughness, but I hope theres a giant countdown clock room in his war room with days until the first primary.  Because people will start to genuinely question the political timing despite it being a non-factor in crimes of this magnitude.  

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Posted

TLDW Version:

Ben Meiselas: Hello! I'm Ben Meiselas here with Michael Cohen and welcome to Political Beatdown where The Independent is now reporting...

Michael Cohen: *interrupting* Ahahaha hey Meadows! What did I tell you, you dumb fuck! Eat a bag of shit, you dick-faced moron! Hahahahaha! You're mom's a whore! *shadowboxes*

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Posted
4 hours ago, Slacks said:

I'm not reading all the shit in CR, man... You know better. 

Hell, I'm not reading all the shit on shaggy surly... This is not why I am here. 

Then why the fuck bother posting? You don’t show up in the third quarter of a football game thread commenting on shit from the first quarter because you’re watching the game late on the dvr? Fucking stupid and you know it. 
 

you want comment on page one of a thread that was started in 2018 next? Maybe prognosticate the 2020 election? Stop it dude. 

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