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5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Seriously, what anchor at MSNBC read off a sitting juror's (and their spouse's) info like Jesse Waters did there? 

Haven't seen something like that but Phang was posting it to her twitter account as it was happening and NY Times was posting this info to their ticker on their website.

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8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Haven't seen something like that but Phang was posting it to her twitter account as it was happening and NY Times was posting this info to their ticker on their website.

Amazing. I get why Fox would do it, because they're shitheels who would do anything to help dear Dotard, but why anyone else would report specifics on jurors is just beyond me. 

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I dont understand why the specifics of jurors should be released to anyone other than a group of people in the Judge's chambers. And then if it leaks from there, trace that shit and have folks sanctioned or disbarred. 

Sure, but counsel can ask questions that reference that information during selection. Jury selection, other than in death penalty cases generally is a proceeding conducted in open court with a court reporter. It’s part of a public trial, with Open Court provisions and such.

Fun fact: In most Texas criminal trials, the State, after receiving the juror information the morning of trial…rushes a copy down to their office so that their investigators can run detailed background checks on everyone.

I just now have found creative ways to casually relay that to jury panels during voire dire, just to give them negative feels about the prosecution.
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6 hours ago, dcbc said:

Counterpoint:  I give you The Jury of the DamnedJohn Wilkes Booth, Lizzie Borden, John Dillinger, Blackbeard, Benedict Arnold, Richard Nixon ("but I'm not dead yet"), and the starting lineup of the 1976 Philadelphia Flyers.

 

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Yarr--this chair's too high, sez I.

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Amazing. I get why Fox would do it, because they're shitheels who would do anything to help dear Dotard, but why anyone else would report specifics on jurors is just beyond me. 

Uh, because they are cheap whores for ratings maybe?
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4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm sorry, but that should be a crime of some sort.  It may be.  Putting jurors' safety at risk seems incredibly dangerous.

 

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6 hours ago, The Dog said:

There's some disingenuous bullshit being spouted right now by the media.

ALL Y'ALL ARE REPORTING THE WORK DETAILS OF THE JURORS NOT JUST FOX! 

They're proud of that because the information actually takes work to get. It's not important or even interesting to know these things, but boy howdy, those reporters got a scoop!

I get most of my TV news through links on this board. I subscribe to two papers online and receive three magazines. I never have to watch CNN or anybody else. I can only take so much of every news story being boiled down for what it could mean for the election. They're in election mode autopilot.

A huge story about the rise of fascism in America is all around them. No one has covered a story like that before and it's not discussed in journalism school. It won't fit the template of being balanced by collecting quotes from both sides because one side is clearly and dangerously wicked. So it's the same tired talk of the election horse race totally blind to the monster rising from the ground of the infield.

What a tragedy for real reporters. And us.

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4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm sorry, but that should be a crime of some sort.  It may be.  Putting jurors' safety at risk seems incredibly dangerous.

It's obvious. It's on the TV. Seems that stuff is irrelevant. 

The motherfucker belongs in a cell or home arrest pending outcome of criminal proceedings including what is apprarent treason and insurrection even though we can't call it that because we're the ones constrained by law.

He wanted to be in the lead of the Capitol invasion but was denied by his SS driver.

In summary, execution would be appropriate.

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looks and sounds ike shit, also is a huge pussy whining about the temp in the courtroom

 

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This is what many of us thought MIGHT happen long before now, when Trump would actually face a system/adversary that couldn't be bullied.  It has taken too long, and the consequences are so far too minimal, but it's a start.

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17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is what many of us thought MIGHT happen long before now, when Trump would actually face a system/adversary that couldn't be bullied.  It has taken too long, and the consequences are so far too minimal, but it's a start.

And this is the weakest of the many cases he faces.

It only gets worse for him from here on out.

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11 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

In a sane America, Trump should have been in jail by the end of 2021 for:

1) His role in the insurrection

and/or

2) His role in trying to overturn the Georgia election (it's recorded!)

and/or

3) His role in enabling hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths. (Sure seems like involuntary manslaughter or criminal negligence, according to various definitions of the concepts).

And yet, here we are, three years later and a Democrat Attorney General is twiddling his thumbs... in the face of a fascist takeover by an insurrectionist who enabled hundreds of thousands of deaths.

No need to hurry....nothing at stake.

I agree 100% with #1 and #2.  I disagree about #3.  Trump's public displays of leadership during covid were about what you could expect from a reality TV star running a superpower during a no-shit global crisis, but covid was going to come to the US and kill a million plus no matter who was in the white house.  And for all of his public fumbling, Trump largely allowed "the deep state" to do what they had planned for this scenario.  Even if he just kind of left a lot of the actual response to the states, lockdowns and mask mandates happened, and a vaccine got developed and deployed in a pretty astonishing feat of governmental and industrial cooperation.  A lot of lives were saved as a result of those efforts directed primarily by federal technocrats like Fauci and other public health officials below the federal level.  Neither Trump or Biden had much to do with it.

The movement against vaccines and public health measures to deal with covid didn't come from the oval office and seemed largely grass roots to me.  If anyone is to blame for that, its probably social media companies and their algorithms to amplify content among clusters of the population regardless of its veracity and nation states unfriendly to the US that would have seen it as another great opportunity to sow discord amongst our citizens using their varied means.

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Yeah a non-regarded president would have meant several hundred thousand less deaths.  The sad (funny?) part is that a lot of the dead who would still be alive are people that voted for Trump.

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I knew it was going to be a popular take.  I think there are a shit ton of people in this country that are a dangerous combination of A) stupid and B) irrationally distrustful of things like the federal government, science, medicine and education.  They were both consumers and purveyors of disinformation related to the pandemic and they are who made the pandemic what it was in this country.  They are who filled the covid death stat sheet for the US.  They were going to be stupid, distrustful and not follow guidelines and mandates regardless of who was elected in 2016.  Do you all honestly think Joe Dirt would have happily practiced social distancing, masked up when out and taken the vaccine like a good citizen if Hilary Clinton or Joe Biden was in the White House being all Presidential and shit?  Fuck no.

Has the Republican party done a lot to ensure we have an unhealthy population of manipulatable idiots that are irrationally distrustful of societal institutions like government, science, health care and education?  Absolutely.  But Donald Trump wasn't involved with the Republican Party before 2015 or so and the post I responded to stated Donald Trump should be held criminally liable for covid deaths in the US.  I still completely disagree.  January 6th, yes.  Georgia vote manufacturing pressure, yes.  Covid deaths, no.

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1 minute ago, Goredho said:

I knew it was going to be a popular take.  I think there are a shit ton of people in this country that are a dangerous combination of A) stupid and B) irrationally distrustful of things like the federal government, science, medicine and education.  They were both consumers and purveyors of disinformation related to the pandemic and they are who made the pandemic what it was in this country.  They are who filled the covid death stat sheet for the US.  They were going to be stupid, distrustful and not follow guidelines and mandates regardless of who was elected in 2016.  Do you all honestly think Joe Dirt would have happily practiced social distancing, masked up when out and taken the vaccine like a good citizen if Hilary Clinton or Joe Biden was in the White House being all Presidential and shit?  Fuck no.

Has the Republican party done a lot to ensure we have an unhealthy population of manipulatable idiots that are irrationally distrustful of societal institutions like government, science, health care and education?  Absolutely.  But Donald Trump wasn't involved with the Republican Party before 2015 or so and the post I responded to stated Donald Trump should be held criminally liable for covid deaths in the US.  I still completely disagree.  January 6th, yes.  Georgia vote manufacturing pressure, yes.  Covid deaths, no.

“ It’s just sort of like the flu and will be gone by summer” - Doddard

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Just now, Captainant said:

Trump's anti-vaccine rhetoric turbo-charged the antivax movement, and we're now seeing the re-emergence of polio and measles. It's now political to be vaccinated or not. 

Trump made it political. 

 

I don't think he should be held criminally liable for COVID deaths (and maladministration is really hard to prosecute), but he shouldn't be fucking let off the hook as you're suggesting.

Agreed. He was ignorant about Covid in the beginning, then made it political. He maligned the Surgeon General and the CDC. He began to rail against mask mandates and distancing as time went on. He set a poor visual example by never masking or distancing. He talked about it being akin to the flu. He talked about using light or bleach to cure it, or using those horse pills to cure it. He gave the MyPillow guy a platform to talk about it. He absolutely 100% politicized vaccines and public health. I give him credit for fast-tracking the vaccine-making infrastructure, but his public-facing rhetoric about it was totally political and rejected all common sense and science. Then he had the audacity to get covid a survive it, which was his biggest sin in the whole thing. 

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10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Trump's anti-vaccine rhetoric turbo-charged the antivax movement, and we're now seeing the re-emergence of polio and measles. It's now political to be vaccinated or not. 

Trump made it political. 

 

I don't think he should be held criminally liable for COVID deaths (and maladministration is really hard to prosecute), but he shouldn't be fucking let off the hook as you're suggesting.

While simultaneously taking credit for the fucking vaccine!

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4 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

The biggest misstep Trump had with covid was surviving it. 

Something we can all agree on!

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Trump's anti-vaccine rhetoric turbo-charged the antivax movement, and we're now seeing the re-emergence of polio and measles. It's now political to be vaccinated or not. 

Trump made it political. 

 

I don't think he should be held criminally liable for COVID deaths (and maladministration is really hard to prosecute), but he shouldn't be fucking let off the hook as you're suggesting.

How many people were harmed during Covid from injecting themselves with bleach as Trump suggested might be a treatment?  How many injected themselves with horse paste as was circulating online as a proper treatment?

I know a ton of people that didn't vaccinate, didn't mask up and didn't social distance, and it had absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump.  And Donald Trump being wise, sensical and Presidential would not have gotten them to carry themselves otherwise.  They didn't vaccinate, mask up or social distance because they exceeded some critical threshold of stupidity and/or distrust of government that allowed them to fall victim of a digital grass roots movement promoting conspiracies, lies and misinformation online.

One thing I think is under appreciated here is that it is not Trump leading these people astray.  He's their figurehead, but these people were already fucking astray.  And to the degree they've been led there, they've been led by their pastor, their family member, their friend, the community around them telling them, "Hey, you need to be aware this is going on" while passing them some bullshit meme, blog post, YouTube video or the content thereof.  It is at least as influential in their mental context as a steady diet of Fox News.

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7 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Cool. Let’s re litigate the pros and cons US Covid policy from 3-4 years ago right here. That will solve some shit. Finally.

“Were you better off 4 years ago?” is a big part of this election. 

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15 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

It's obvious. It's on the TV. Seems that stuff is irrelevant. 

The motherfucker belongs in a cell or home arrest pending outcome of criminal proceedings including what is apprarent treason and insurrection even though we can't call it that because we're the ones constrained by law.

He wanted to be in the lead of the Capitol invasion but was denied by his SS driver.

In summary, execution would be appropriate.

 

Sometimes I like to ponder "what ifs". 

What if I had majored in a liberal art instead of a science? 

What if Jackie Smith had caught that touchdown pass in Super Bowl 13? 

What if that SS driver had taken DOtarD to the riot and let him out of the car?

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Something we can all agree on!

How many people were harmed during Covid from injecting themselves with bleach as Trump suggested might be a treatment?  How many injected themselves with horse paste as was circulating online as a proper treatment?

I know a ton of people that didn't vaccinate, didn't mask up and didn't social distance, and it had absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump.  And Donald Trump being wise, sensical and Presidential would not have gotten them to carry themselves otherwise.  They didn't vaccinate, mask up or social distance because they exceeded some critical threshold of stupidity and/or distrust of government that allowed them to fall victim of a digital grass roots movement promoting conspiracies, lies and misinformation online.

One thing I think is under appreciated here is that it is not Trump leading these people astray.  He's their figurehead, but these people were already fucking astray.  And to the degree they've been led there, they've been led by their pastor, their family member, their friend, the community around them telling them, "Hey, you need to be aware this is going on" while passing them some bullshit meme, blog post, YouTube video or the content thereof.  It is at least as influential in their mental context as a steady diet of Fox News.

Are you seriously arguing that within a cult of personality, the cult leader has no influence?

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Yeah, this country voted George W Bush into office.  Twice.  FOX News had been up and running for several years by then, but it didn't have the sway it currently does.  Still, by the end of W's run, FOX was much more powerful.  I distinctly recall visiting my father in the hospital and my Aunt demanding we watch FOX at all times.  She was (and remains) a near-QAnon level MAGA.

Trump definitely helped spread some of the bullshit, though.  

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38 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Agreed. He was ignorant about Covid in the beginning, then made it political. He maligned the Surgeon General and the CDC. He began to rail against mask mandates and distancing as time went on. He set a poor visual example by never masking or distancing. He talked about it being akin to the flu. He talked about using light or bleach to cure it, or using those horse pills to cure it. He gave the MyPillow guy a platform to talk about it. He absolutely 100% politicized vaccines and public health. I give him credit for fast-tracking the vaccine-making infrastructure, but his public-facing rhetoric about it was totally political and rejected all common sense and science. Then he had the audacity to get covid a survive it, which was his biggest sin in the whole thing. 

 

Well give the man a cookie! / Chris Rock

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