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I think the encouraging thing is that Arch never looked so bad/inaccurate when he played last year. He wasn’t throwing balls at guys feet or sailing passes over their heads. I choose to believe that the kid didn’t just forget how to play QB but started out extremely nervous and the game snow balled out of control from there. Just disappointing that an average game from him (or any QB for that matter) easily wins that game. 
 

I think his play over the next few weeks is going to be telling. Even though they’re cupcakes you’d like to see him throwing dimes all over the field so we (and he) know he’s capable and that last game was an aberration. If he’s making the same shitty throws to open guys then we know we’ve got a huge problem.

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Kid was nervous because he's "the man" now, and it's his team. He was probably over thinking everything. The kid has to carry all these expectations on his shoulders. I don't care what he says in interviews, you know he's beating himself up and it's hard to escape that kind of pressure. He just needs to understand he can't be perfect all the time. It's easier said than done, but he has 3 weeks to improve before heading to the swamp. He'll be fine. 

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6 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I think the encouraging thing is that Arch never looked so bad/inaccurate when he played last year. He wasn’t throwing balls at guys feet or sailing passes over their heads. I choose to believe that the kid didn’t just forget how to play QB but started out extremely nervous and the game snow balled out of control from there. Just disappointing that an average game from him (or any QB for that matter) easily wins that game. 
 

I think his play over the next few weeks is going to be telling. Even though they’re cupcakes you’d like to see him throwing dimes all over the field so we (and he) know he’s capable and that last game was an aberration. If he’s making the same shitty throws to open guys then we know we’ve got a huge problem.

I think it was a bad day for Arch and Sark. That was a tough combo to watch. One thing sticking in my mind is why does every QB at Texas have bad mechanics. I hoping this was just a nervous thing, but we shall see 

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14 hours ago, gmr548 said:

I think there's a decent chance Oklahoma is better on defense than Ohio State.

I think there is zero fucking chance of that but I guess we'll see what OU does against Michigan. 

10 hours ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

Arch’s mechanics are fine. The deep out to Livingstone was picture perfect and an NFL-caliber throw.

I'm also not worried about his mechanics. Mechanics aren't some static thing that has zero variation regardless of context. Arch looked nervous and played hurried up almost all game. 

I don't even think he was that bad - he played well enough for us to win or at least stay in the game up until the final whistle. He didn't play well enough to cover for some mistakes we made elsewhere - most notably the RZ playcalling. 

He's going to hang huge numbers against these next 3 teams then get another bite at the apple in the Swamp. 

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13 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think it was a bad day for Arch and Sark. That was a tough combo to watch. One thing sticking in my mind is why does every QB at Texas have bad mechanics. I hoping this was just a nervous thing, but we shall see 

Arch has a reason to get a Mulligan, Sark does not. This wasn't his first rodeo against a highly talented team.

"After thinking about it I would've xxxxxx" is not good coaching.

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16 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Kid was nervous because he's "the man" now, and it's his team. He was probably over thinking everything. The kid has to carry all these expectations on his shoulders. I don't care what he says in interviews, you know he's beating himself up and it's hard to escape that kind of pressure. He just needs to understand he can't be perfect all the time. It's easier said than done, but he has 3 weeks to improve before heading to the swamp. He'll be fine. 

Let’s not discount that no one had film on Matt Patricia’s defense. This was the first time anyone lined up against them and no data on tendencies and fronts so disguised coverage was especially effective. We out gained OSU and had a better yards per play stat. If we play OSU after there’s a whole season of film, it will be a completely different story 

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1 minute ago, Hard Times said:

Arch has a reason to get a Mulligan, Sark does not. This wasn't his first rodeo against a highly talented team.

"After thinking about it I would've xxxxxx" is not good coaching.

It was a bad Sark day. I think the first screen was in the second half to Wingo (maybe late 2Q). 2 targets to motion?? That is huge staple for Sark and his way to get easy throws to QBs. Just bad all around 

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10 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Let’s not discount that no one had film on Matt Patricia’s defense. This was the first time anyone lined up against them and no data on tendencies and fronts so disguised coverage was especially effective. We out gained OSU and had a better yards per play stat. If we play OSU after there’s a whole season of film, it will be a completely different story 

I 100% agree with this. 

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34 minutes ago, Slacks said:

The 3 high is to keep Sark from being able to easily take the top off. Force the offense to  sustain consistently, drive after drive.

DCs know Sark wants to run the ball then pop the top. So, as a DC, you put 3 over top with a Nickel / SS that can play like a LB and disrupt intermediate routes or support the run. Basically run a 43 that plays like a 425, which can look like Cover 1, Cover 2, or Cover 3 if the defense can communicate once the offense shifts, etc. If the DTs and LBs are stout, the defense doesn't get completely blown up by the run game. 

Patricia runs exactly this. It sounds complicated, but it's high school level defense and tOSU has elite back 7 level players that can play it easily. 

I'm petty sure it's the same thing Gary Patterson ran. It's the same thing my high school ran 40 years ago. It's really simple at the base, and becomes multiple - easily - without confusing the defense. 

Personally, I don't think Sark is patient enough letting the run game wear teams down. He has a good run game plan, which is why backs keep going to the league. Wear that front 7 out, so the game can get out of hand late. Make that middle Safety come up. Repeatedly. 

Yeah, I understand exactly what the schematics are of the defense. My school did some cover 3 cloud. But my point was largely about the QB, and you put it more broadly of being able to execute longer drives. Arch clearly didn’t have the patience for it with a decent run game. During Sarks time here we’ve face good secondary’s and it largely hasn’t been an issue outside of a couple of teams that were better upfront, or a first time QB seeing it live. We had a good enough run game on Saturday to the point where if Arch isn’t so erratic, Texas walks away with a win and no talks about the Ohio st defensive scheme being a problem for Sark outside the redzone. 

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16 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

It was a bad Sark day. I think the first screen was in the second half to Wingo (maybe late 2Q). 2 targets to motion?? That is huge staple for Sark and his way to get easy throws to QBs. Just bad all around 

I don't think the day called for screens though based on the way OSU was defending us. 

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8 minutes ago, Levi said:

Yeah, I understand exactly what the schematics are of the defense. My school did some cover 3 cloud. But my point was largely about the QB, and you put it more broadly of being able to execute longer drives. Arch clearly didn’t have the patience for it with a decent run game. During Sarks time here we’ve face good secondary’s and it largely hasn’t been an issue outside of a couple of teams that were better upfront, or a first time QB seeing it live. We had a good enough run game on Saturday to the point where if Arch isn’t so erratic, Texas walks away with a win and no talks about the Ohio st defensive scheme being a problem for Sark outside the redzone. 

Yeah if you watch the tape or just the throws only like 50 times it's easy to come to the same conclusion as the first time. Arch shit the bed and made some outrageously bad throws that legitimately cost the game. 

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5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't think the day called for screens though based on the way OSU was defending us. 

Point is how few easy throws Sark designed. Very little screen game, despite it being effective (albeit limited attempts) or target to motion. Hell, I think that 1st pass was the first pass play for Arch in his last 3 games. That doesn’t excuse Arch, he was legitimately bad also. View this as a complete shit sandwich with a lot of blame to go around 

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The ball never left his hand on schedule until he was in the 2 min offense where he’s clearly more comfortable at this point

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11 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah if you watch the tape or just the throws only like 50 times it's easy to come to the same conclusion as the first time. Arch shit the bed and made some outrageously bad throws that legitimately cost the game. 

Yep.  I hated a few of sarks calls but that very first play was well designed and very low risk for Arch

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2 minutes ago, Nope said:

The ball never left his hand on schedule until he was in the 2 min offense where he’s clearly more comfortable at this point

He either rushed through the read to check down or threw late. He was good in straight drop back. Maybe need more of that

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

He either rushed through the read to check down or threw late. He was good in straight drop back. Maybe need more of that

Yep, his throws from outside the pocket looked identical to Salter’s first game at CU, not remotely close

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There was very little, if anything good to take from his performance.

I know expectations, blah blah blah, and so fine.  It's why you can excuse the first pass getting burned into the ground and some of the general 1Q stuff.  After that, no fucking way.   If you're walking out there in the 2H of a game still in your pre-game feels (not saying he was) that's a problem.  

I like how he is owning it, but ultimately talk is cheap. Let's see it bro (in a month)

 

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22 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

How many idiots think that Peyton video is real I wonder.

You need to define the parameters of your question, this thread, this board, the internet....

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23 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Arch's first play in the Colorado State, UTSA, and Ohio State games. 

 

 

The Film Guy mentioned this. Kind of crazy that we got away with that vs OSU. Too bad he dirt balled it. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Point is how few easy throws Sark designed. Very little screen game, despite it being effective (albeit limited attempts) or target to motion. Hell, I think that 1st pass was the first pass play for Arch in his last 3 games. That doesn’t excuse Arch, he was legitimately bad also. View this as a complete shit sandwich with a lot of blame to go around 

Did the WR screen he dirted for minus 3 or the 2 wide open shallow drags he threw way too hard and shitty count as easy throws? 

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That's actually a comforting video to watch, w/r/t whether it was nerves or something more troubling. It seems Arch just needs to go back out there and be comfortable regardless of the jerseys the other guys are wearing.

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22 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

It’s jarring to watch this and compare it to yesterday. No hitch in his delivery, layers the ball in when he needs to, footwork looks pristine. 

I sure hope yesterday was just an off day because it makes no sense, regardless of competition level.

 

I posted Saturday on the game thread that his warmup throws were the fastest release I’d ever seen. I wasn’t joking. In retrospect I think he was doing some sort of fast release drill. And when you look at his bad throws in the game he had that same rushed look. 

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17 hours ago, troph said:

The way I see it, he’s a super talented inexperienced QB. He’s going to be really good by the end of the year and great next year. I’d be shocked if he leaves after one year and at this juncture I’d put coming back his senior year as a possibility. 

Ain’t no fucking way he leaves after this year.  

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17 hours ago, Pods said:

Definitely if he keeps playing like that. LaNorris Sellers is also going to have a good shot.

My take as well. Everything is still moving too fast and he's processing a tick slow, then he's pressing to make up for it, losing his mechanics and spraying the ball erratically. That's going to slow down and it's going to click on for him by mid-season.

Wish we'd had a patsy game 1 to let him warm up before taking on the defending national champs in their house, but he's not going to see another D with that kind of talent until maybe Georgia. 

 

I also believe OSU’s DC was a pretty good  play caller in the NFL too. 

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Arch's first play in the Colorado State, UTSA, and Ohio State games. 

 

 

Damn he hits Moore on the move, he might house it. The safety was way out of position for Ohio State. Maybe he catches up to Moore, but it's another 30+ yards before he does.

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1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

Damn he hits Moore on the move, he might house it. The safety was way out of position for Ohio State. Maybe he catches up to Moore, but it's another 30+ yards before he does.

He had lots of room. 

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1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

There was very little, if anything good to take from his performance.

"If anything" is a bit much. He ran the ball okay and I think was just "sacked" once for a loss of like a yard. He threw a bad pick. He threw a really nice TD. Overall I thought his pocket-presence was pretty good as was his ball-security (the OL did pass-block very well). He just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. 

I get he's Arch Manning but I have seen so many objectively worse QB performances for Texas over the past decade. Sark still not knowing how to score from the 5 yard line is more worrisome for me than anything Arch did. Ultimately I think they figure it out - it's almost impossible to have a more difficult season opener but Texas does have what should be a couple of similarly difficult tests on the schedule.

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1 hour ago, B00M said:

Did the WR screen he dirted for minus 3 or the 2 wide open shallow drags he threw way too hard and shitty count as easy throws? 

I mentioned that, the other 2 worked. Why I said 2 out of 3 were effective 

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

He's not injured. Bogus rumors. 

 

I just dont get how most of his throws are just so bad like that. I get nerves and gripping the ball too tight and poor foot placement can factor into it all, but damn. He's thrown the ball thousands and thousands of times at this point.

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We spent two years listening to same people saying Ewers has an injury that’s why he can’t throw downfield and here we are again in game one for Arch….  He was clearly overthinking most throws like a golfer with the yips to me. A shoulder injury that’s so bad you throw a 8 yard pass at the receivers feet like a fastball or over their head?  

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12 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

We spent two years listening to same people saying Ewers has an injury that’s why he can’t throw downfield and here we are again in game one for Arch….  He was clearly overthinking most throws like a golfer with the yips to me. A shoulder injury that’s so bad you throw a 8 yard pass at the receivers feet like a fastball or over their head?  

Ewers did in fact have an injury. It wasn't some conspiracy theory.

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I have no idea if Arch has an injury, but Xavier Worthy played half a season or more with a broken thumb (by recollection) and to my knowledge it wasn't known outside of inner team circles.

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After a rewatch and seeing some breakdowns Ohio State ran Sarks nemesis in terms of scheme with the 2 high and 3 high shell. They did amazing at disguising pre snap and shifting to spots post snap. 

Agreed, but this makes me nervous because last season, the YouTube Film Guy had a long video analysis explaining how incredible OU was at disguising coverages, etc. It was on another level.
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15 hours ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

Arch’s mechanics are fine. The deep out to Livingstone was picture perfect and an NFL-caliber throw.

Unfortunately it was 3 quarters too late.  

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4 hours ago, Codaxx said:

It was a bad Sark day. I think the first screen was in the second half to Wingo (maybe late 2Q). 2 targets to motion?? That is huge staple for Sark and his way to get easy throws to QBs. Just bad all around 

Watch arch’s highlights from last year and his short passing against tOSU and I’m of the mind that he doesn’t have a good short ball and so the QE style-short game may go the way of the dinosaur. I hope I’m wrong but the rifled balls to the feet and behind WRs doesn’t give me confidence.

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I said even last year that Arch mechanics in short to intermediate throws need work. Long ball is fine. Milwee needs to start earning his paycheck 

Mileee hasn’t earned it since his been at Texas. Not sure why he’d start now.
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