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Dude had a great game. He's putting it together. 

Don't want to be hyperbolic here but The Legend of Vince really only lasted about 1.5 seasons. That first half of 04 was rough, had mfers calling for Chance Mock and other various horseshit

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9 minutes ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Dude had a great game. He's putting it together. 

Don't want to be hyperbolic here but The Legend of Vince really only lasted about 1.5 seasons. That first half of 04 was rough, had mfers calling for Chance Mock and other various horseshit

To be fair part of that was Mack and Greg being total morons 

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5 hours ago, Zeus said:

Deep balls work a lot better when the safetys have to worry about the run a little

this and the game started to slow down for Arch when our running game became passable instead of horrible.

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53 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Yes sir. Again, everyone was  do upset that Ewers was checking down and favoring shorter routes. Its what had to happen in order to mitigate negative plays.

Ewers seemed to be gifted in giving guys a good ball with a chance to gain yards. Unfortunately the placement isn’t as great with Arch he kind of gets guys killed

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

this and the game started to slow down for Arch when our running game became passable instead of horrible.

He’s really a momentum and feel type player, he doesn’t set the tone yet but if a guy breaks a tackle and gets a big play you see him also kick into another gear. 
 

Maybe with more experience he will be able to light that fire with his legs and making those improvised escape then passes for big plays. 
 

He was panicking against Florida a bit but his pocket presence was awesome against ou so I’m hoping the game is finally slowing down for him. If he can just get 10% faster at processing and 10% more accurate in this offense he’s going to fucking shred defenses. 

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2 minutes ago, Zeus said:

He’s really a momentum and feel type player, he doesn’t set the tone yet but if a guy breaks a tackle and gets a big play you see him also kick into another gear. 
 

Maybe with more experience he will be able to light that fire with his legs and making those improvised escape then passes for big plays. 
 

He was panicking against Florida a bit but his pocket presence was awesome against ou so I’m hoping the game is finally slowing down for him. If he can just get 10% faster at processing and 10% more accurate in this offense he’s going to fucking shred defenses. 

sure. the running game holds the LBers and also makes it hard for DL to tee off.  that in and of itself makes the windows bigger and therefore makes  processing easier in the pass game.

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8 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Ewers seemed to be gifted in giving guys a good ball with a chance to gain yards. Unfortunately the placement isn’t as great with Arch he kind of gets guys killed

agreed.  quinn was better at throwing people open where as Arch is still in the waiting for them to come open stage.  funny though, when he was on the run he actually had some "throw receiver open" throws.  

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4 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said:

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Nice but this one needs to be more like the Bad Santa scene where OU woman says she can't walk right for a week.

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Nice but this one needs to be more like the Bad Santa scene where OU woman says she can't walk right for a week.

More like Beerfest where he says he hustled a high stakes ping pong game. Been shitting flapjacks ever since.
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Arch Manning on the mic

The Longhorns got a nice win when they defeated the Sooners 23-6 in the latest installment of the Red River Rivalry on Saturday, and quarterback Arch Manning wasn't shy about how good it felt.

Just before his postgame interview with ESPN's Holly Rowe, cameras caught Manning's lighthearted but definitely serious message to the reporter: "We needed that one Holly."

 

 

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8 hours ago, Zeus said:

Ewers seemed to be gifted in giving guys a good ball with a chance to gain yards. Unfortunately the placement isn’t as great with Arch he kind of gets guys killed

That's what pissed me off the most. Ewers put the ball on the money. Rarely did guys have to twist, turn, or even break stride on everything intermediate on down. He was so quick to pop a ball out to his check down that he had people here thinking "that was the play call". Sure the freaks like Jeremiah Smith are going in the first round no matter what, but when you are getting all your pass catchers to the league it means your quarterback is playing well too. Matthew Golden doesn't go in the 1st round if he stays in Houston. We took Ewers for granted. Hopefully one day he is appreciated for his time here. Back to back CFP and 2 and 1 vs OU is nothing to sneeze at, and was 1 minute away from Pete the Great status. 

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20 hours ago, Foosters said:

Yeah, but if you look at the last 3 classes we've done anything but "stack talent" on the O-line. We've just kinda adopted a "Trust Flood's evals" mindset and it kinda looks like we got burned there. 

Oh for sure.  That is something that is amiss in Sark's program.  He's probably overly deferential to his coordinators.*

But broadly speaking, to compete regularly with the UGas, OSUs and Alabama's of the recent past (probably should throw Michigan and ND in there too), you need multiple consecutive years of top rated classes with solid evals and development.  You can't just walk into a situation with an aggregate 4 star rating, and nothing more, and expect that squad to execute and perform at a top level.  I think Sark knew there'd be a dropoff but didn't know how it would interfere with his plans.  And has misunderestimated a bit what it would take to reach a Bama level of talent.

And, I think he lets himself be deceived that his team executing his offense in practice means they'll reliably do it in games and is shocked when they can't.  And then tries to force the issue and make them play through it to do what he thinks they can.  And I think that's a valid coaching strategy to a point.  Jerritt Elliott makes the volleyball gals play through underachievement regularly, sometimes to their short-term detriment.

But OU maybe proved that when clubbed over the head that we lack the talent/execution to do that, he can adapt.  It's just not his first instinct.

*There's nothing fundamentally wrong with deferring/delegating, I think most of the best leaders do it and do it well, but maintain accountability.  If Sark has to be the uber control freak micromanaging every assistant, I don't think he can or will do that.

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oh for sure.  That is something that is amiss in Sark's program.  He's probably overly deferential to his coordinators.*

But broadly speaking, to compete regularly with the UGas, OSUs and Alabama's of the recent past (probably should throw Michigan and ND in there too), you need multiple consecutive years of top rated classes with solid evals and development.  You can't just walk into a situation with an aggregate 4 star rating, and nothing more, and expect that squad to execute and perform at a top level.  I think Sark knew there'd be a dropoff but didn't know how it would interfere with his plans.  And has misunderestimated a bit what it would take to reach a Bama level of talent.

And, I think he lets himself be deceived that his team executing his offense in practice means they'll reliably do it in games and is shocked when they can't.  And then tries to force the issue and make them play through it to do what he thinks they can.  And I think that's a valid coaching strategy to a point.  Jerritt Elliott makes the volleyball gals play through underachievement regularly, sometimes to their short-term detriment.

But OU maybe proved that when clubbed over the head that we lack the talent/execution to do that, he can adapt.  It's just not his first instinct.

*There's nothing fundamentally wrong with deferring/delegating, I think most of the best leaders do it and do it well, but maintain accountability.  If Sark has to be the uber control freak micromanaging every assistant, I don't think he can or will do that.

Not sure how true this is but read tha Banks, Harris and sark pick the players

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2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Not sure how true this is but read tha Banks, Harris and sark pick the players

It's just a theory.  And, I have seen that repeated, but I find it pretty difficult to believe that the position coaches don't have significant input.

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Stop recruiting upper middle class white guys unless they demonstrate incredible physicality. Who is the last guy from this demographic that was physical and hungry?

 

Ive been thinking about this and I think Ohio state does something similar but don’t recruit specific guards unless they’re elite. Recruit more tackles and swing them inside, generally they will have better feet than a similarly ranked guard. So much easier to swing a guy in than out. 
 

This post will probably be better in the OL thread. 

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's just a theory.  And, I have seen that repeated, but I find it pretty difficult to believe that the position coaches don't have significant input.

Yep. I have no idea.   I’d be pissed if I didn’t have a voice in who I get to coach.  Only Campbell and Baker were top 100 guys

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11 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oh for sure.  That is something that is amiss in Sark's program.  He's probably overly deferential to his coordinators.*

But broadly speaking, to compete regularly with the UGas, OSUs and Alabama's of the recent past (probably should throw Michigan and ND in there too), you need multiple consecutive years of top rated classes with solid evals and development.  You can't just walk into a situation with an aggregate 4 star rating, and nothing more, and expect that squad to execute and perform at a top level.  I think Sark knew there'd be a dropoff but didn't know how it would interfere with his plans.  And has misunderestimated a bit what it would take to reach a Bama level of talent.

And, I think he lets himself be deceived that his team executing his offense in practice means they'll reliably do it in games and is shocked when they can't.  And then tries to force the issue and make them play through it to do what he thinks they can.  And I think that's a valid coaching strategy to a point.  Jerritt Elliott makes the volleyball gals play through underachievement regularly, sometimes to their short-term detriment.

But OU maybe proved that when clubbed over the head that we lack the talent/execution to do that, he can adapt.  It's just not his first instinct.

*There's nothing fundamentally wrong with deferring/delegating, I think most of the best leaders do it and do it well, but maintain accountability.  If Sark has to be the uber control freak micromanaging every assistant, I don't think he can or will do that.

Well then why in the hell does everyone want an O coordinator? 

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12 hours ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Dude had a great game. He's putting it together. 

Don't want to be hyperbolic here but The Legend of Vince really only lasted about 1.5 seasons. That first half of 04 was rough, had mfers calling for Chance Mock and other various horseshit

He gets little credit for his work in the pocket. He is very good at making the first rusher miss. This is different game with another QB. Texas offensive line's pressure rate is 40.9%, which is the worst in the SEC and 124th nationally. Compare that to last year where "the Texas Longhorns offensive line allowed pressure on 25.8 percent of drop backs, which was the 29th best rate in the FBSSack numbers are way down (1.7 vs 2.3) this year, despite the substantially more pressure and so are the turnovers from the position. 

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7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

He gets little credit for his work in the pocket. He is very good at making the first rusher miss. This is different game with another QB. Texas offensive line's pressure rate is 40.9%, which is the worst in the SEC and 124th nationally. Compare that to last year where "the Texas Longhorns offensive line allowed pressure on 25.8 percent of dropbacks.Sack numbers are way down (1.7 vs 2.3) this year, despite the substantially more pressure and so are the turnovers from the position. 

But release times!

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6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

But release times!

Release times are function of game plan and mobility. Qbs that can move and buy time tend to have higher numbers. Think about that 3rd down dot to Livingstone. I am sure getting flushed and throwing outside the pocket took 3 seconds, but is that a bad thing? Vs Florida there were a lot of max protects and deeper routes. I only remember one deep shot attempt vs OU and that was the only sack. Counter-intuitive, but Texas is worse in protection with max protection. It is a solid data point when looking at a QB, but there are variables that need to be considered. 

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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

But release times!

He navigates the pocket well and we’ve said it from the beginning. He still needs to work on getting the ball out quickly which he did this week vs Oklahoma. If he can continue to do what he did vs Oklahoma coupled with his deep ball clip rate which is really good it truly opens up the whole field. But if he goes back to holding the ball and looking for deep shots only it’s not a good recipe for our team success 

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I mean we missed a touchdown on Saturday because he didn't get rid of the ball on time. He does genuinely need to improve how quickly he gets the ball out on quick hitters, anyone arguing that has no idea what they're looking at. 

But he is improving. 

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13 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I mean we missed a touchdown on Saturday because he didn't get rid of the ball on time. He does genuinely need to improve how quickly he gets the ball out on quick hitters, anyone arguing that has no idea what they're looking at. 

But he is improving. 

You can only assume he pumped it, because he thought 22 was under the route in the window. He has to throw that over him, there is room. Think that was more a confidence thing, than not seeing it. He hit that same play for a TD to Livingstone earlier this year. 

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I don't want to oversell this, but re-watching the game I was very pleased to see how calm Arch was throughout this game. Very comfortable setting up the offense and running plays.  And the fact that he slid on that long QB run and immediately started waving bye to the OU crowd, that's great situational awareness IMO. 

Considering he basically had the yips vs. UTEP and his head was spinning a month ago, this is a very positive sign. 

 

 

 

Thought the wave was a bit premature given it wasn’t victory formation yet

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2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Thought the wave was a bit premature given it wasn’t victory formation yet

I though it was a little premature as well, but clearly he believed a first down there in FG range was the ball game. He was right, and you gotta love the confidence. 

 

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If you swapped Arch for Quinn Ewers in Gainesville, it wouldn't have been 29-21 Gators it would have been 42-0. Arch has so much more poise and ability to navigate the pocket.

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If you swapped Arch for Quinn Ewers in Gainesville, it wouldn't have been 29-21 Gators it would have been 42-0. Arch has so much more poise and ability to navigate the pocket.

LOL no.  Ewers would probably see the field and D much differently.  he might even audible out of bad plays or change routes.  It was a horribly called game by Sark though.

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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Arch played well but not like “oh shit I was wrong after all” well.  There’s potential but he’s got a lot to work on. Still it was a solid game 

The Sooners all predicted another black Saturday and everyone thought Mateer was going to continue his Heisman campaign.  We derailed that train pretty good and Arch took what the defense gave him.  He's getting better and better and the future looks bright!

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34 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I don't want to oversell this, but re-watching the game I was very pleased to see how calm Arch was throughout this game. Very comfortable setting up the offense and running plays.  And the fact that he slid on that long QB run and immediately started waving bye to the OU crowd, that's great situational awareness IMO. 

Considering he basically had the yips vs. UTEP and his head was spinning a month ago, this is a very positive sign. 

 

 

 

he did that with 25 pressures on 27 attempted passes, that is what was impressive. Even with the dink and dunk offense, he wasnt throwing from a clean pocket. Those 25 pressures only netted a single sack on the day

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5 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

The Sooners all predicted another black Saturday

The tears from the cockier fanbase each year in this rivalry could alleviate droughts. 

There's been 6 wins by the lower/unranked team in this rivalry in the last 14 games (2013 Texas, 2015 Texas, 2018 Texas, 2020 OU, 2023 OU, 2025 Texas) and a 5 one-score wins by the higher ranked team (2014, 5 points; 2016, 5 points; 2017, 5 points; 2019, 7 points; 2021, 6 points)

I know *why* fans of the higher ranked team go in with expectations of blowing out their rival, but man, the underdog/lesser ranked team usually comes in primed for an upset. 

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Arch slid on at least two occasions, which you have to love.  On the long run late in Q4, I wonder if someone on the sideline shouted for him to slide? He was about to get caught from behind.

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23 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If you swapped Arch for Quinn Ewers in Gainesville, it wouldn't have been 29-21 Gators it would have been 42-0. Arch has so much more poise and ability to navigate the pocket.

I mean, I think Florida would have scored, so probably more like 42-13

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32 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Thought the wave was a bit premature given it wasn’t victory formation yet

 

30 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I though it was a little premature as well, but clearly he believed a first down there in FG range was the ball game. He was right, and you gotta love the confidence. 

 

Nah. The punt return functionally ended the game. Whole stadium knew it. Arch's run was the final nail in the coffin. We didn't even need the FG. Whole stadium knew that too.

Texas could have taken three knees after that to burn OU's timeouts and run the clock. Hell they could have kneeled on fourth down. Then OU gets the ball back down 14 with like 3:30 left. Zero chance of them going down, scoring a TD, getting an onside recovery, and scoring another TD.

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27 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If you swapped Arch for Quinn Ewers in Gainesville, it wouldn't have been 29-21 Gators it would have been 42-0. Arch has so much more poise and ability to navigate the pocket.

I dont think the results would have been much different. Lot more sacks and a few more completions. I do not think the gameplan would have been the same though. 

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4 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

Nah. The punt return functionally ended the game. Whole stadium knew it. Arch's run was the final nail in the coffin. We didn't even need the FG. Whole stadium knew that too.

Texas could have taken three knees after that to burn OU's timeouts and run the clock. Hell they could have kneeled on fourth down. Then OU gets the ball back down 14 with like 3:30 left. Zero chance of them going down, scoring a TD, getting an onside recovery, and scoring another TD.

Sark coudl have just ran the ball and not trotted Shipley out for the kick and nobody would have batted an eye. 

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36 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Sark coudl have just ran the ball and not trotted Shipley out for the kick and nobody would have batted an eye. 

Shipley needed to wash off the stink of those two misses. Sark building the team.

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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

I mean we missed a touchdown on Saturday because he didn't get rid of the ball on time. He does genuinely need to improve how quickly he gets the ball out on quick hitters, anyone arguing that has no idea what they're looking at. 

But he is improving. 

And that TD last week on the roll right goalie play was absurd. He kept getting deeper when running for a TD was absolutely  an option, then he held the ball forever and strung the play out himself, needlessly. I had a great basically all 22 angle on that at the game and was just perplexed by the entire thing- even though it worked out fine. 
Hes getting better for sure. He also has sooooooo much work to do to get where he needs to be. He does all the things Ewers was shitty at really well. But. It should show how elite Ewers was at things fans don’t consider important that we were as good as we were last 2 years while he was so shitty at some stuff, and we’ve been on balance bad with Arch even with him doing a lot of stuff well. 

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Stop recruiting upper middle class white guys unless they demonstrate incredible physicality. Who is the last guy from this demographic that was physical and hungry?

Michael Taaffe - Current all american safety and team captain? Ethan Burke - Current starting SDE and stuffer of aggies on the goal line? Arch Manning - current starting QB who gets hyped by being punched in the face? Parker Livinstone - Current leading receiver and guest of honor at the closetojumping 40 yard dash competition?   

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